25 Neo-Nazi's protest non-White Immigration in Riverside, CA

[Heracles 417]

dude, you really take the hyperbole to the extreme.. wow...

he's not excusing any minorities at all, where the fukc are you getting all that bs? you ok?

Same applies to you. If you guys were genuine and not biased, you would openly state that there is a problem with Hispanics and illegal aliens. As there is also a problem with Hispanics and gangs. It would show you are honest and not biased. However, when I hear you guys defending it and playing it down, then like many in America, I get mad and fire back.

As I said the other day, I never said you or every Hispanic is an illegal alien or gang banger, however, that does not change the reality that while Hispanics make up 12% of the population, over 50% of gang bangers are Hispanic.

Not to mention, immigration is unfairly biased, as nearly 2/3rds of immigrants to the United States since 2000 are Hispanic. What about everyone else? Do they not deserve a fair chance? Should 5 or 6% of the world dominate 58% of the immigration to the United States? Sorry but fair is fair.

Edited October 29, 2009 by Booyah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

In fairness BY that isn't all you said - you did however indicate that hispanics should have their civil rights curtailed based on the probabililty that they're more likely than not to be up to no good and that collective punishment is justifiable on that basis.

That's not the same argument as admitting that there are indeed social problems in those communities - and I doubt you'd find many people who would disagree with that.

[pedroh 21]

dude, you really take the hyperbole to the extreme.. wow...

he's not excusing any minorities at all, where the fukc are you getting all that bs? you ok?

Same applies to you. If you guys were genuine and not biased, you would openly state that there is a problem with Hispanics and illegal aliens. As there is also a problem with Hispanics and gangs. It would show you are honest and not biased. However, when I hear you guys defending it and playing it down, then like many in America, I get mad and fire back.

As I said the other day, I never said you or every Hispanic is an illegal alien or gang banger, however, that does not change the reality that while Hispanics make up 12% of the population, over 50% of gang bangers are Hispanic.

Not to mention, immigration is unfairly biased, as nearly 2/3rds of immigrants to the United States since 2000 are Hispanic. What about everyone else? Do they not deserve a fair chance? Should 5 or 6% of the world dominate 58% of the immigration to the United States? Sorry but fair is fair.

I'm not the one who says the govt should take guns of blacks and latinos.. or demand a different treatment to the minorities 'prone to commit crime' (which has tons of other factors that determine it, besides race, one being, generational poverty)...

I know there's a problem with illegal immigration, in many posts I've said they should be deported, as this model is not sustainable, and should not be encouraged.. My biggest problem is the collateral damage that happens with the methods to detain illegals. those methods are violations of civil rights, ineffective, and completely biased.. Like it or not, and I know many VJ'ers cringe when they hear it, illegal immigrants have rights, even if they get detained, they have some rights, and their human rights should be respected no matter what..

and certainly you, looking at some races with disdain because they have a high % of crime, doesn't make you look objective either

[The_Dude 1,142]

In fairness BY that isn't all you said - you did however indicate that hispanics should have their civil rights curtailed based on the probabililty that they're more likely than not to be up to no good and that collective punishment is justifiable on that basis.

That's not the same argument as admitting that there are indeed social problems in those communities - and I doubt you'd find many people who would disagree with that.

Could we not apply the same BY logic to Australians. They are descended from criminals and as such more susceptible to commit crime. As such, all Australians should be questioned by the police to make sure that they are not committing crimes at every opportunity. Ridiculous? Well, that is essentially what BY is suggesting in a nutshell.

[Heracles 417]

In fairness BY that isn't all you said - you did however indicate that hispanics should have their civil rights curtailed based on the probabililty that they're more likely than not to be up to no good and that collective punishment is justifiable on that basis.

That's not the same argument as admitting that there are indeed social problems in those communities - and I doubt you'd find many people who would disagree with that.

All right enough with the gun example. It was a joke. What should happen is the second someone is convicted of a felony, they should lose their 2nd amendment right for life. Not to mention, the second someone is found guilty of murder, they should lose their rights as a citizen. The only thing that should protect them is basic international rights.

I have never advocated they round up Hispanics and do ID checks. Clearly that is racist. However, much like 9/11 changed our lifestyle because of a handful of people, the federal government needs to mandate e-verify for those seeking employment and for those using any tax payer funded services. Close all anchor baby loopholes like the rest of the developed world has or is doing. Also give everyone caught her illegally a warning that if they are to return again without a visa, they will serve time in a federal prison. Any convicted illegal alien must be banned for life. That's on the supply side. On the demand side, simply enact and enforce what the UK is doing in my signature.

It's not rocket science or racist by any stretch. Just a matter of strengthening and enforcing the laws.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

In fairness BY that isn't all you said - you did however indicate that hispanics should have their civil rights curtailed based on the probabililty that they're more likely than not to be up to no good and that collective punishment is justifiable on that basis.

That's not the same argument as admitting that there are indeed social problems in those communities - and I doubt you'd find many people who would disagree with that.

Could we not apply the same BY logic to Australians. They are descended from criminals and as such more susceptible to commit crime. As such, all Australians should be questioned by the police to make sure that they are not committing crimes at every opportunity. Ridiculous? Well, that is essentially what BY is suggesting in a nutshell.

It does illustrate why such arguments are inherently dodgy.

[HAL 9000 96]

Promoting your own heritage doesn't = racism. Promoting your own heritage as superior to that of others does.

I think people tend to forget humans were all created the same way, whether you believe in evolution or religious beliefs... Personally, I feel that arguing about racist organizations only helps to validate them more, when they have absolutely no real basis to exist other than some social construction created to further separate human beings in order to be able to supress and exploit specific groups. But that's just me

Indeed. Anyone willing to forgo what the racists do is seriously a sh!thead.

[Heracles 417]

In fairness BY that isn't all you said - you did however indicate that hispanics should have their civil rights curtailed based on the probabililty that they're more likely than not to be up to no good and that collective punishment is justifiable on that basis.

That's not the same argument as admitting that there are indeed social problems in those communities - and I doubt you'd find many people who would disagree with that.

Could we not apply the same BY logic to Australians. They are descended from criminals and as such more susceptible to commit crime. As such, all Australians should be questioned by the police to make sure that they are not committing crimes at every opportunity. Ridiculous? Well, that is essentially what BY is suggesting in a nutshell.

Not at all actually. Compare homicides rates per capita of the US vs Australia vs Mexico. Now compare the same thing of Australians in the US. Since you luuuuv facts, have a look at the FBI link in my sig. Find any Aussie there? What is the most common ethnicity? I'll even make it easy. Compare the number of Africans (as born in Africa), Europeans and Asians combined vs Hispanics on the list? Surely with 4 billion people vs 389 million, there must be more offenders from the first group right?

Case closed.

PS Find me a South Central in an Australian city.

Edited October 29, 2009 by Booyah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

In fairness BY that isn't all you said - you did however indicate that hispanics should have their civil rights curtailed based on the probabililty that they're more likely than not to be up to no good and that collective punishment is justifiable on that basis.

That's not the same argument as admitting that there are indeed social problems in those communities - and I doubt you'd find many people who would disagree with that.

All right enough with the gun example. It was a joke. What should happen is the second someone is convicted of a felony, they should lose their 2nd amendment right for life. Not to mention, the second someone is found guilty of murder, they should lose their rights as a citizen. The only thing that should protect them is basic international rights.

I have never advocated they round up Hispanics and do ID checks. Clearly that is racist. However, much like 9/11 changed our lifestyle because of a handful of people, the federal government needs to mandate e-verify for those seeking employment and for those using any tax payer funded services. Close all anchor baby loopholes like the rest of the developed world has or is doing. Also give everyone caught her illegally a warning that if they are to return again without a visa, they will serve time in a federal prison. Any convicted illegal alien must be banned for life. That's on the supply side. On the demand side, simply enact and enforce what the UK is doing in my signature.

It's not rocket science or racist by any stretch. Just a matter of strengthening and enforcing the laws.

Fair enough.

On the bolded though - this is exactly what Sheriff Joe is up to.

[HAL 9000 96]

For the racist, promotion of heritage equals demeaning other races.

Promoting heritage.... is that what you call that group as they parade in brown military uniforms complete with combat boots and rank.

Okaaaaaay Hal, whatever you say.

Perhaps you can name some similar White groups you would approve of?

Any group that doesn't portray HATE or superiority by hate is OK with me, as I've stated on many occasions. Too bad you think that means white guilt.

If you have an issue with Mexican heritage groups, make it your problem and show us with details how deluded and racist they are and act. You have no issue creating threads about white victims of black hoodlums, so this shouldn't be too hard for a race insinuator such as yourself.

I for one have also stated that offensive promotion of heritage, no matter where it comes from, is a bit over the top, but some people like you suffer from permanent selective reading skills, so its no large surprise.

you're wrong Hal, of course any minority group that promotes heritage= eliminating white people.. it's so obvious...

Racists do have a mental problem with being able to coexist.

[Susita 175]

And these social problems that are prevalent in those communities are largely created by a history of racism and discrimination (of class, social or economic status) which put people at a disadvantage based upon their race or heritage. Segregation of schools led to white children receiving a better education than that of minority children. White neighborhoods were not quick to accept a minority into their neighborhood. Property values went down when a black family moved into the neighborhood. To some extent, this persists even today.

For these, among other reasons, we still have a highly segregated society that slowly, but surely is changing for the better. However, you cannot stigmatize a community of individuals based upon their race. No one ignores the problems, but many sure do ignore the causes.

[HAL 9000 96]

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[pedroh 21]

For the racist, promotion of heritage equals demeaning other races.

Promoting heritage.... is that what you call that group as they parade in brown military uniforms complete with combat boots and rank.

Okaaaaaay Hal, whatever you say.

Perhaps you can name some similar White groups you would approve of?

Any group that doesn't portray HATE or superiority by hate is OK with me, as I've stated on many occasions. Too bad you think that means white guilt.

If you have an issue with Mexican heritage groups, make it your problem and show us with details how deluded and racist they are and act. You have no issue creating threads about white victims of black hoodlums, so this shouldn't be too hard for a race insinuator such as yourself.

I for one have also stated that offensive promotion of heritage, no matter where it comes from, is a bit over the top, but some people like you suffer from permanent selective reading skills, so its no large surprise.

you're wrong Hal, of course any minority group that promotes heritage= eliminating white people.. it's so obvious...

Racists do have a mental problem with being able to coexist.

racists have an inferiority complex, that's why they have to belong to a hate group

[The_Dude 1,142]

In fairness BY that isn't all you said - you did however indicate that hispanics should have their civil rights curtailed based on the probabililty that they're more likely than not to be up to no good and that collective punishment is justifiable on that basis.

That's not the same argument as admitting that there are indeed social problems in those communities - and I doubt you'd find many people who would disagree with that.

Could we not apply the same BY logic to Australians. They are descended from criminals and as such more susceptible to commit crime. As such, all Australians should be questioned by the police to make sure that they are not committing crimes at every opportunity. Ridiculous? Well, that is essentially what BY is suggesting in a nutshell.

Not at all actually. Compare homicides rates per capita of the US vs Australia vs Mexico. Now compare the same thing of Australians in the US. Since you luuuuv facts, have a look at the FBI link in my sig. Find any Aussie there? What is the most common ethnicity? I'll even make it easy. Compare the number of Africans (as born in Africa), Europeans and Asians combined vs Hispanics on the list? Surely with 4 billion people vs 389 million, there must be more offenders from the first group right?

Case closed.

PS Find me a South Central in an Australian city.

Case is closed because BY the authority on all without any sort of reference says so. OK, well, you're still descended from a criminal, so I think I would have more faith in those who have no history of crime.

[Susita 175]

Levittown, NY... one of the first suburbs in America... mass produced after WWII, many soldiers bought their homes with the new GI Bill... of which all soldiers received. However, blacks, hispanics, asians etc. were not allowed to buy homes there. This was called real estate discrimination.

Just an example I found that I thought may be useful.