25 Neo-Nazi's protest non-White Immigration in Riverside, CA

[Ken y Leidys 20]

600 counterprotestors rush 20 neo-Nazu protesters in Riverside demonstration

http://www.myvalleynews.com/story/41692/

RIVERSIDE - Two members of the Brown Berets were facing possible charges today in a clash with neo-Nazis, who were demonstrating near a day laborer site in Riverside.

A group of counterprotesters rushed about 20 neo-Nazis near Madison Street and Railroad Avenue Saturday afternoon, and police arrested an unidentified man who pushed over a police barricade, the Press-Enterprise reported.

Geronimo Rivera, 32, was led away by police and arrested on suspicion of assault with a deadly weapon for allegedly throwing some limes at the demonstrators, the newspaper reported. He was being held in lieu of $25,000 bail.

The fight erupted shortly after the neo-Nazis took up positions behind metal barricades erected by the Riverside police to keep the group separate from some 600 counterprotesters.

The demonstration was a follow-up to a rally held last month in the same area.

Jeff Hall, a Riverside resident and state director of the National Socialist Movement, said the group met its goal -- to shut down the day laborer site.

"We're going to be here again and again," he said.

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There's a lot of racist groups like the KKK right here in California...and they are behind the anti-immigration movement. People who side with them against illegal immigrants just don't like to accept that fact. Tom Tancredo, who ran for president last year, was the favored candidate of these groups and he has a track record of being chummy with them.

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There's a lot of racist groups like the KKK right here in California...and they are behind the anti-immigration movement. People who side with them against illegal immigrants just don't like to accept that fact. Tom Tancredo, who ran for president last year, was the favored candidate of these groups and he has a track record of being chummy with them.

What "fact" is that? I'm certainly no fan of hate groups like the KKK or Neo Nazis, but illegal immigrants DON'T BELONG in the United States (or any other country). I have nothing against LEGAL immigrants (I'm one myself in Canada), but it's a whole different story when talking about ILLEGAL immigrants.

[Peikko 1,575]

Fine, but the question is, if a group with very dodgy ideological ideas does one thing that you approve of, does that legitimize that group? Careful now

Edited October 25, 2009 by Madame Cleo

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There's a lot of racist groups like the KKK right here in California...and they are behind the anti-immigration movement. People who side with them against illegal immigrants just don't like to accept that fact. Tom Tancredo, who ran for president last year, was the favored candidate of these groups and he has a track record of being chummy with them.

What "fact" is that? I'm certainly no fan of hate groups like the KKK or Neo Nazis, but illegal immigrants DON'T BELONG in the United States (or any other country). I have nothing against LEGAL immigrants (I'm one myself in Canada), but it's a whole different story when talking about ILLEGAL immigrants.

The open borders crowd always pick the worst possible examples (i.e.: Nazis, KKK, skinheads, etc.) to taint anyone that speaks out against illegal immigration, open borders, and/or unlimited mass immigration. Most people can see through these deceptions.

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Fine, but the question is, if a group with very dodgy ideological ideas does one thing that you approve of, does that legitimize that group? Careful now

No. However, I my overall disapproval of a group doesn't mean they can't have a good point now and then or that I will ALWAYS disagree with them.

[Peikko 1,575]

Fine, but the question is, if a group with very dodgy ideological ideas does one thing that you approve of, does that legitimize that group? Careful now

No. However, I my overall disapproval of a group doesn't mean they can't have a good point now and then or that I will ALWAYS disagree with them.

Well, quite, that's probably how the average German felt in 1938 and look where that got them...

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Fine, but the question is, if a group with very dodgy ideological ideas does one thing that you approve of, does that legitimize that group? Careful now

No. However, I my overall disapproval of a group doesn't mean they can't have a good point now and then or that I will ALWAYS disagree with them.

Well, quite, that's probably how the average German felt in 1938 and look where that got them...

There's a huge difference between systematic genocide and deportation. I want illegals deported, not killed. Even if the Neo Nazis or KKK want them dead (which I don't agree with), their point about illegals not belonging in the U.S. is a valid one.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

There's a lot of racist groups like the KKK right here in California...and they are behind the anti-immigration movement. People who side with them against illegal immigrants just don't like to accept that fact. Tom Tancredo, who ran for president last year, was the favored candidate of these groups and he has a track record of being chummy with them.

What "fact" is that? I'm certainly no fan of hate groups like the KKK or Neo Nazis, but illegal immigrants DON'T BELONG in the United States (or any other country). I have nothing against LEGAL immigrants (I'm one myself in Canada), but it's a whole different story when talking about ILLEGAL immigrants.

The open borders crowd always pick the worst possible examples (i.e.: Nazis, KKK, skinheads, etc.) to taint anyone that speaks out against illegal immigration, open borders, and/or unlimited mass immigration. Most people can see through these deceptions.

Their deceptions are easy to see thru. I pity anyone who falls before such weak rationale. Neo Nazis are not the measure of the law, and illegal immigration is against the law. BTW, this administration needs to be reminded of that on a regular basis, since they have a habit of only enforcing laws they agree with.

Edited October 25, 2009 by Sofiyya

[Ken y Leidys 20]

There's a lot of racist groups like the KKK right here in California...and they are behind the anti-immigration movement. People who side with them against illegal immigrants just don't like to accept that fact. Tom Tancredo, who ran for president last year, was the favored candidate of these groups and he has a track record of being chummy with them.

What "fact" is that? I'm certainly no fan of hate groups like the KKK or Neo Nazis, but illegal immigrants DON'T BELONG in the United States (or any other country). I have nothing against LEGAL immigrants (I'm one myself in Canada), but it's a whole different story when talking about ILLEGAL immigrants.

The Neo Nazi movement is against Non-White Immigrants - Legal or Illegal.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

There's a lot of racist groups like the KKK right here in California...and they are behind the anti-immigration movement. People who side with them against illegal immigrants just don't like to accept that fact. Tom Tancredo, who ran for president last year, was the favored candidate of these groups and he has a track record of being chummy with them.

What "fact" is that? I'm certainly no fan of hate groups like the KKK or Neo Nazis, but illegal immigrants DON'T BELONG in the United States (or any other country). I have nothing against LEGAL immigrants (I'm one myself in Canada), but it's a whole different story when talking about ILLEGAL immigrants.

I understand that. But there is a racist element to the anti-immigration movement. These groups have long fought against immigration, even before the most recent furor over illegal immigration. Look up Stormfront or even NumbersUSA. There is specific agenda by ethnocentric and racist groups to protect the White America, which they see as being threatened by non-White immigration.

There's a lot of racist groups like the KKK right here in California...and they are behind the anti-immigration movement. People who side with them against illegal immigrants just don't like to accept that fact. Tom Tancredo, who ran for president last year, was the favored candidate of these groups and he has a track record of being chummy with them.

What "fact" is that? I'm certainly no fan of hate groups like the KKK or Neo Nazis, but illegal immigrants DON'T BELONG in the United States (or any other country). I have nothing against LEGAL immigrants (I'm one myself in Canada), but it's a whole different story when talking about ILLEGAL immigrants.

The open borders crowd always pick the worst possible examples (i.e.: Nazis, KKK, skinheads, etc.) to taint anyone that speaks out against illegal immigration, open borders, and/or unlimited mass immigration. Most people can see through these deceptions.

Stormfront, NumbersUSA and Tom Tancredo are very real.

[Ken y Leidys 20]

There's a lot of racist groups like the KKK right here in California...and they are behind the anti-immigration movement. People who side with them against illegal immigrants just don't like to accept that fact. Tom Tancredo, who ran for president last year, was the favored candidate of these groups and he has a track record of being chummy with them.

What "fact" is that? I'm certainly no fan of hate groups like the KKK or Neo Nazis, but illegal immigrants DON'T BELONG in the United States (or any other country). I have nothing against LEGAL immigrants (I'm one myself in Canada), but it's a whole different story when talking about ILLEGAL immigrants.

I understand that. But there is a racist element to the anti-immigration movement. These groups have long fought against immigration, even before the most recent furor over illegal immigration. Look up Stormfront or even NumbersUSA. There is specific agenda by ethnocentric and racist groups to protect the White America, which they see as being threatened by non-White immigration.

There's a lot of racist groups like the KKK right here in California...and they are behind the anti-immigration movement. People who side with them against illegal immigrants just don't like to accept that fact. Tom Tancredo, who ran for president last year, was the favored candidate of these groups and he has a track record of being chummy with them.

What "fact" is that? I'm certainly no fan of hate groups like the KKK or Neo Nazis, but illegal immigrants DON'T BELONG in the United States (or any other country). I have nothing against LEGAL immigrants (I'm one myself in Canada), but it's a whole different story when talking about ILLEGAL immigrants.

The open borders crowd always pick the worst possible examples (i.e.: Nazis, KKK, skinheads, etc.) to taint anyone that speaks out against illegal immigration, open borders, and/or unlimited mass immigration. Most people can see through these deceptions.

Stormfront, NumbersUSA and Tom Tancredo are very real.

I have heard of Stormfront from lots of hate-speech info I heard about on CNN over the years: http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=451603

They call themselves part of the National Socialism movement. Personally, they should go back to Russia.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

There's a lot of racist groups like the KKK right here in California...and they are behind the anti-immigration movement. People who side with them against illegal immigrants just don't like to accept that fact. Tom Tancredo, who ran for president last year, was the favored candidate of these groups and he has a track record of being chummy with them.

What "fact" is that? I'm certainly no fan of hate groups like the KKK or Neo Nazis, but illegal immigrants DON'T BELONG in the United States (or any other country). I have nothing against LEGAL immigrants (I'm one myself in Canada), but it's a whole different story when talking about ILLEGAL immigrants.

I understand that. But there is a racist element to the anti-immigration movement. These groups have long fought against immigration, even before the most recent furor over illegal immigration. Look up Stormfront or even NumbersUSA. There is specific agenda by ethnocentric and racist groups to protect the White America, which they see as being threatened by non-White immigration.

Stop obfuscating, Steven. The anti-immigration movement and the anti-illegal immigration movement are two separate and distinct movements. And, there are ethno-centric movements, like La Raza, who are fully sanctioned by the loony left pro-illegal movement. So, it goes that racism is not a bad thing for liberals unless it's cloaked in an anti- leftist agenda.

[Peikko 1,575]

Fine, but the question is, if a group with very dodgy ideological ideas does one thing that you approve of, does that legitimize that group? Careful now

No. However, I my overall disapproval of a group doesn't mean they can't have a good point now and then or that I will ALWAYS disagree with them.

Well, quite, that's probably how the average German felt in 1938 and look where that got them...

There's a huge difference between systematic genocide and deportation. I want illegals deported, not killed. Even if the Neo Nazis or KKK want them dead (which I don't agree with), their point about illegals not belonging in the U.S. is a valid one.

You don't get it do you?  Do you think in early to mid 1930's when Nazism was really taking hold, that the average German thought that there was going to be any form of genocide?  The Nazi party began as a legitimate party with policies that many German people thoroughly approved of, Germany for the Germans being a central theme.

If you allow a dodgy party any form of respectability because you agree with some part of what they preach then the results can be catastrophic, history shows us this to be so.  

Of course, if you believe the rhetoric of the right, that 'dangerous' party if the Democrats and Obama.  

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Fine, but the question is, if a group with very dodgy ideological ideas does one thing that you approve of, does that legitimize that group? Careful now

No. However, I my overall disapproval of a group doesn't mean they can't have a good point now and then or that I will ALWAYS disagree with them.

Good point. And If Cleo, or anyone for that matter is black and white on the issues, it means that person is essentially blinded to the actual points being made and unable to debate the matter in good faith and unable to take fully rational positions for an honest debate.

For example, if the neo nazis say illegal immigration is not fair to the people who legally immigrate, how can you argue against that? If you are unable to acknowledge that fact, regardless of who is saying it, then you are not able to rationally participate in the debate, and you have low credibility on all other points you try to make.

Objectivity is a learned skill. As much as I dislike extreme left-wing propaganda, i will try to discern if the extreme left has a valid point, and acknowledge when they do.

Cheers.