WH tries to exclude FOX News from interview

[HAL 9000 96]

Care to elaborate on that in 3-4 extra threads to refresh people's selective memories?

and yet you take no issue with the diversion tactics at play here, let your partisan colors shine bro

If only that logic was applied to all other lines of reasoning in this society...

Enough with the "he did it too" whining .

I sense a rush of upcoming Youtube clips talking about the difference in primarily factual reporting vs the kind championed by FNC.

Yeah because thats been my MO in the past.

I'm under no obligation to do anything to your liking. Unless, of course, you want everyone else to have you point out all the other silly behavior, divisive, racist, stupid, retarded, and generally idiotic rants commonplace to OT. I thought not.

And no, its not all about you. Relax and go sip something calming already.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The solution surely is to get your news from as diverse an array of sources as you can and not rely on any one particular thing.

If everyone did that we wouldn't have the ridiculous situation we do now where people cheer for one TV news network and defend it like its a member of the family.

[HAL 9000 96]

It certainly won't do the WH any favors taking this approach.

Yep. As I've stated above- its petty. Don't know what kind of outrage some people want to see. Not exactly suppression of the media though is it?

Indeed. Petty reactions to horrible journalistic ethics should never occur nor should they become the focus instead of the purpose of the game being played out by said practitioners of such yellow journalism. At the least the programming on FNC needs to be divided so that news can be covered factually and commentary can be delivered independent of this. FNC is the leader alright- in blending fallacy into the factual side of the news and that is dangerous in a country where a significant segment of the population is downright easily led.

Hal how much do you actually watch fox? I sense a sort of you tube mind set of fox news going on here, and yes I have had issues with how fox news and I have addressed it before, yes theres hints of yellow journalism but over all its been blown way out of proportion.

What part of FNC?

The newscasts? Sure, every now and then- JUST LIKE every other silly news network out there. I look for primary news sources, not digested versions, aka, the other part that you're confusing as news perhaps (talking points and pundits).

I do think Fox is very dishonest. Take their coverage of health reform for instance - they take extreme cases from the news in the UK, France or Germany and try to use them as counterpoints to public health insurance.

Never mind that the systems are very very different in those countries, or indeed that they're only showing a very narrow snapshot which by itself cannot be a fair judge.

I also find it amazing that Fox spends so much time slagging off other news sources. Perhaps its the nature of the news here to be partisan, but when you are so blatantly biased "fair and balanced" can only be what it is - nothing more than a trademarked slogan.

Funny, too, how our friends on the right have all forgotten about the war the Bush White House led against MSNBC and how supportive FOX was of the Bush administration's decision to do so. Dishonest hacks they are.

Who approves of what Bush did?, did I miss something? Two wrongs dont make a right and further more how much do you actually watch fox news? Dam everytime anything is pointed out about Obama we have hear this well Bush did this nonsense.

Who approved? FOX Noise did. Now that they are the network at odds with the adminsitration they like to pretent that this sort of thing is apalling and unprecedented. It isn't. And they know it. Fair and balanced my patoot.

Do you have proof of this? This was a petty move by the President and it does no good to make excuses for him.

Indeed. Petty reactions to horrible journalistic ethics should never occur nor should they become the focus instead of the purpose of the game being played out by said practitioners of such yellow journalism. At the least the programming on FNC needs to be divided so that news can be covered factually and commentary can be delivered independent of this. FNC is the leader alright- in blending fallacy into the factual side of the news and that is dangerous in a country where a significant segment of the population is downright easily led.

Fortunately for we "righties" you're clearly in the minority in your opinions. FOX is number one in viewership because those that matter, the independents, have tuned them in for puposes of absorbing information that's clearly unbiased. Can't get that from CNN and certainly not from MSNBC!

Unfortunately for Hussein this likely will make him a one termer.

Enjoy the next three years for it took only 9 mo's to this country to turn around and have its fill of these looney lefty Dems and their ilk....

You've been shown to be crazy before. Why assume you're doing better?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

** Nuts Channel

[kaydee457 13]

The solution surely is to get your news from as diverse an array of sources as you can and not rely on any one particular thing.

If everyone did that we wouldn't have the ridiculous situation we do now where people cheer for one TV news network and defend it like its a member of the family.

Yes, agreed. The WH should indeed pull back and stop favoring MSNBC and any other news organization that kiss his #######....

If he had he wouldn't be mired in this petty argument.

Characteristic of lefty liberals I'm afraid. They quickly resort to this petty behavior and the situation deteriorates into the predictable gutter fight with those that dare disagree with them.

How typical, sigh.....

[kaydee457 13]

You've been shown to be crazy before. Why assume you're doing better?

Crazy before? You were whistling a different tune when GWB was reelected to his second term...or perhaps replace whistling with whining?

I report, you decide...

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I think its characteristic of *you* Kaydee.

Trotting out the same tired old labels to attack people you have a broad philosophical disagreement with is just childish - there's enough variance of opinion on "the left" and "the right" for people to be poles apart even within their own side.

Personally I blame the media for creating a climate where people are so obsessed with party politics that they can't see where it begins and ends.

[_Simpson_ 250]

I do think Fox is very dishonest. Take their coverage of health reform for instance - they take extreme cases from the news in the UK, France or Germany and try to use them as counterpoints to public health insurance.

Never mind that the systems are very very different in those countries, or indeed that they're only showing a very narrow snapshot which by itself cannot be a fair judge.

I also find it amazing that Fox spends so much time slagging off other news sources. Perhaps its the nature of the news here to be partisan, but when you are so blatantly biased "fair and balanced" can only be what it is - nothing more than a trademarked slogan.

Funny, too, how our friends on the right have all forgotten about the war the Bush White House led against MSNBC and how supportive FOX was of the Bush administration's decision to do so. Dishonest hacks they are.

Who approves of what Bush did?, did I miss something? Two wrongs dont make a right and further more how much do you actually watch fox news? Dam everytime anything is pointed out about Obama we have hear this well Bush did this nonsense.

Who approved? FOX Noise did. Now that they are the network at odds with the adminsitration they like to pretent that this sort of thing is apalling and unprecedented. It isn't. And they know it. Fair and balanced my patoot.

Do you have proof of this? This was a petty move by the President and it does no good to make excuses for him.

Take a look here - a one minute clip containing two obvious misrepresentations.

First, Fox Noise claims that Newsweek has called the White House's attack on FOX "Un-American". The reality, of course, is quite different. Newsweek's column actually referred to Fox News as Un-American.

The O’Garbage Factor

Fox News isn't just bad. It's un-American

They then tried to get Bush's former Press Secretary to state that the Bush White House didn't freeze out MSNBC. But the Press Secretary actually responded that: "Towards the end we didn’t do a lot with MSNBC. That’s, that is the case."

And here's former White House counsel Ed Gillespie slamming NBC for airing an edited interview with Bush. You know, 'cause no other news station, let alone FOX, would ever edit any interview...

Now, do I think it's wise for any administration to attack a network that engages in political entertainment? No. No matter what side of the spectrum the respective administration or the network is on. If you don't like them, ignore them. Don't attack them and give them more attention than you would like them to have. It's a silly move. If was silly when Bush did it to MSNBC and it's equally silly now that Obama is doing it to FOX.

What Obama's squibble with FOX News isn't, however, is something new, unprecedented or never before seen. We've been here before. That's all I'm saying.

Well once again Fox News is not just one commentator, sure he was wrong about the Newsweek saying it was unamerican but do you actually think it was some sort of caculated approach?

Now the video I hardly find this evidence of fox news approving of Bush doing this(cause remember that is what I wanted to know if you had proof of), at best they tried to gloss over it. Now remember I never said Bush didnt or that it was ok, what I said was that it does no good to point out Bushes mistakes every time Obama makes one.

Now lets look at the article. A piece of biased #######. I did read it. Nice he called it the O garbage factor, I wonder if he actually watched O Rielly commentate on it, doubt it, have you? Its a fair piece you might be surprised.

A lot of this is just cherry picking of you tube videos. Watch fox news for a significant amount of time and get a feel for the news network as a whole.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Characteristic of lefty liberals I'm afraid. They quickly resort to this petty behavior and the situation deteriorates into the predictable gutter fight with those that dare disagree with them.

How typical, sigh.....

Yeah, like the lefty liberal Bush White House that got into the same brawl with MSNBC.

[kaydee457 13]

Characteristic of lefty liberals I'm afraid. They quickly resort to this petty behavior and the situation deteriorates into the predictable gutter fight with those that dare disagree with them.

How typical, sigh.....

Yeah, like the lefty liberal Bush White House that got into the same brawl with MSNBC.

Never to the extent that this WH is in the gutter.....and it seems that their vindictiveness isn't limited to just a news organization but to the Chamber, Tea Party advocates, Insurance Companies and lots of others.

More reason he's likely a one termer and possibly a worse President than even the infamous Jimmy Carter (thus far he's certainly in the running).

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I do think Fox is very dishonest. Take their coverage of health reform for instance - they take extreme cases from the news in the UK, France or Germany and try to use them as counterpoints to public health insurance.

Never mind that the systems are very very different in those countries, or indeed that they're only showing a very narrow snapshot which by itself cannot be a fair judge.

I also find it amazing that Fox spends so much time slagging off other news sources. Perhaps its the nature of the news here to be partisan, but when you are so blatantly biased "fair and balanced" can only be what it is - nothing more than a trademarked slogan.

Funny, too, how our friends on the right have all forgotten about the war the Bush White House led against MSNBC and how supportive FOX was of the Bush administration's decision to do so. Dishonest hacks they are.

Who approves of what Bush did?, did I miss something? Two wrongs dont make a right and further more how much do you actually watch fox news? Dam everytime anything is pointed out about Obama we have hear this well Bush did this nonsense.

Who approved? FOX Noise did. Now that they are the network at odds with the adminsitration they like to pretent that this sort of thing is apalling and unprecedented. It isn't. And they know it. Fair and balanced my patoot.

Do you have proof of this? This was a petty move by the President and it does no good to make excuses for him.

Take a look here - a one minute clip containing two obvious misrepresentations.

First, Fox Noise claims that Newsweek has called the White House's attack on FOX "Un-American". The reality, of course, is quite different. Newsweek's column actually referred to Fox News as Un-American.

The O’Garbage Factor

Fox News isn't just bad. It's un-American

They then tried to get Bush's former Press Secretary to state that the Bush White House didn't freeze out MSNBC. But the Press Secretary actually responded that: "Towards the end we didn’t do a lot with MSNBC. That’s, that is the case."

And here's former White House counsel Ed Gillespie slamming NBC for airing an edited interview with Bush. You know, 'cause no other news station, let alone FOX, would ever edit any interview...

Now, do I think it's wise for any administration to attack a network that engages in political entertainment? No. No matter what side of the spectrum the respective administration or the network is on. If you don't like them, ignore them. Don't attack them and give them more attention than you would like them to have. It's a silly move. If was silly when Bush did it to MSNBC and it's equally silly now that Obama is doing it to FOX.

What Obama's squibble with FOX News isn't, however, is something new, unprecedented or never before seen. We've been here before. That's all I'm saying.

Well once again Fox News is not just one commentator, sure he was wrong about the Newsweek saying it was unamerican but do you actually think it was some sort of caculated approach?

Now the video I hardly find this evidence of fox news approving of Bush doing this(cause remember that is what I wanted to know if you had proof of), at best they tried to gloss over it. Now remember I never said Bush didnt or that it was ok, what I said was that it does no good to point out Bushes mistakes every time Obama makes one.

Now lets look at the article. A piece of biased #######. I did read it. Nice he called it the O garbage factor, I wonder if he actually watched O Rielly commentate on it, doubt it, have you? Its a fair piece you might be surprised.

A lot of this is just cherry picking of you tube videos. Watch fox news for a significant amount of time and get a feel for the news network as a whole.

MSNBC isn't just one commentator either. But that station, just like FOX is not news but political commentary and entertainment - with one having a left slant and the other having a right slant. Let's not pretend that either station is anything more. They are, in fact, two sides of the same coin.

And yes, I've watched O'Reilly from time to time and it's not what I would want to watch. It's neither informative nor, in my opinion, entertaining. It's a garbage show. I don't watch Hardball either or Rachel Maddow or Keith Olbermann or Hannity and certainly not that nutcase Glenn Beck. It's all political hack. Nothing more and nothing less. Not worth my time.

[_Simpson_ 250]

Care to elaborate on that in 3-4 extra threads to refresh people's selective memories?

and yet you take no issue with the diversion tactics at play here, let your partisan colors shine bro

If only that logic was applied to all other lines of reasoning in this society...

Enough with the "he did it too" whining .

I sense a rush of upcoming Youtube clips talking about the difference in primarily factual reporting vs the kind championed by FNC.

Yeah because thats been my MO in the past.

I'm under no obligation to do anything to your liking. Unless, of course, you want everyone else to have you point out all the other silly behavior, divisive, racist, stupid, retarded, and generally idiotic rants commonplace to OT. I thought not.

And no, its not all about you. Relax and go sip something calming already.

Typical Hal response, barely address anything and then spin the hell out of it. The only thing you really addressed was the word "enough"... well my friend that was more of me saying "jeez' than me barking a order. Nevertheless its enough to grant you your segue into that ridiculous rant.

[_Simpson_ 250]

Yep. As I've stated above- its petty. Don't know what kind of outrage some people want to see. Not exactly suppression of the media though is it?

Yes you have but only to follow up with the "well fox news does too" mentality.

What part of FNC?

The newscasts? Sure, every now and then- JUST LIKE every other silly news network out there. I look for primary news sources, not digested versions, aka, the other part that you're confusing as news perhaps (talking points and pundits).

Well theres proof your not exactly a pro on what fox new is or isn't, but the problem is your one there biggest critics and cherry pick the hell out of them, intellectually dishonest IMO.

Edited October 23, 2009 by _Simpson_

[_Simpson_ 250]

I do think Fox is very dishonest. Take their coverage of health reform for instance - they take extreme cases from the news in the UK, France or Germany and try to use them as counterpoints to public health insurance.

Never mind that the systems are very very different in those countries, or indeed that they're only showing a very narrow snapshot which by itself cannot be a fair judge.

I also find it amazing that Fox spends so much time slagging off other news sources. Perhaps its the nature of the news here to be partisan, but when you are so blatantly biased "fair and balanced" can only be what it is - nothing more than a trademarked slogan.

Funny, too, how our friends on the right have all forgotten about the war the Bush White House led against MSNBC and how supportive FOX was of the Bush administration's decision to do so. Dishonest hacks they are.

Who approves of what Bush did?, did I miss something? Two wrongs dont make a right and further more how much do you actually watch fox news? Dam everytime anything is pointed out about Obama we have hear this well Bush did this nonsense.

Who approved? FOX Noise did. Now that they are the network at odds with the adminsitration they like to pretent that this sort of thing is apalling and unprecedented. It isn't. And they know it. Fair and balanced my patoot.

Do you have proof of this? This was a petty move by the President and it does no good to make excuses for him.

Take a look here - a one minute clip containing two obvious misrepresentations.

First, Fox Noise claims that Newsweek has called the White House's attack on FOX "Un-American". The reality, of course, is quite different. Newsweek's column actually referred to Fox News as Un-American.

The O’Garbage Factor

Fox News isn't just bad. It's un-American

They then tried to get Bush's former Press Secretary to state that the Bush White House didn't freeze out MSNBC. But the Press Secretary actually responded that: "Towards the end we didn’t do a lot with MSNBC. That’s, that is the case."

And here's former White House counsel Ed Gillespie slamming NBC for airing an edited interview with Bush. You know, 'cause no other news station, let alone FOX, would ever edit any interview...

Now, do I think it's wise for any administration to attack a network that engages in political entertainment? No. No matter what side of the spectrum the respective administration or the network is on. If you don't like them, ignore them. Don't attack them and give them more attention than you would like them to have. It's a silly move. If was silly when Bush did it to MSNBC and it's equally silly now that Obama is doing it to FOX.

What Obama's squibble with FOX News isn't, however, is something new, unprecedented or never before seen. We've been here before. That's all I'm saying.

Well once again Fox News is not just one commentator, sure he was wrong about the Newsweek saying it was unamerican but do you actually think it was some sort of caculated approach?

Now the video I hardly find this evidence of fox news approving of Bush doing this(cause remember that is what I wanted to know if you had proof of), at best they tried to gloss over it. Now remember I never said Bush didnt or that it was ok, what I said was that it does no good to point out Bushes mistakes every time Obama makes one.

Now lets look at the article. A piece of biased #######. I did read it. Nice he called it the O garbage factor, I wonder if he actually watched O Rielly commentate on it, doubt it, have you? Its a fair piece you might be surprised.

A lot of this is just cherry picking of you tube videos. Watch fox news for a significant amount of time and get a feel for the news network as a whole.

MSNBC isn't just one commentator either. But that station, just like FOX is not news but political commentary and entertainment - with one having a left slant and the other having a right slant. Let's not pretend that either station is anything more. They are, in fact, two sides of the same coin.

And yes, I've watched O'Reilly from time to time and it's not what I would want to watch. It's neither informative nor, in my opinion, entertaining. It's a garbage show. I don't watch Hardball either or Rachel Maddow or Keith Olbermann or Hannity and certainly not that nutcase Glenn Beck. It's all political hack. Nothing more and nothing less. Not worth my time.

Two sides of the same coin, yes I toatally agree. I have been trying to make that point all along. I wouldnt support Bush doing it and I dont support Obama doing it but what is important to note is that Obama is the current president of the USA, give Bush a rest. He spent 8 years taking it in, its Obamas turn.

Yes Beck is a nut case, Hannity is a little to wishy washy for me and I like O' Rielly in small doses. I think during the election he was a little too easy on Obama, he had no problem pointing out Obama's faults but it was always followed with a but and a excuse, mostly because he was doing everything but offering his first born for a interview with him, the interview he finally got I thought was good.

Edited October 23, 2009 by _Simpson_

[HAL 9000 96]

Yeah kaydee...

Crazy before? You were whistling a different tune when GWB was reelected to his second term...or perhaps replace whistling with whining?

I report, you decide...

You mean why would Americans be that stupid? I dunno. Look around you for that one champ. Its not rocket science to see how this country is doing thanks to your hero Bubba. But do keep it up- the ones you despise the most as well as everyone else could use the constant reminder of the why/what/and how we ended up inheriting what we did.

Lunatics make it really easy.

Care to elaborate on that in 3-4 extra threads to refresh people's selective memories?

and yet you take no issue with the diversion tactics at play here, let your partisan colors shine bro

If only that logic was applied to all other lines of reasoning in this society...

Enough with the "he did it too" whining .

I sense a rush of upcoming Youtube clips talking about the difference in primarily factual reporting vs the kind championed by FNC.

Yeah because thats been my MO in the past.

I'm under no obligation to do anything to your liking. Unless, of course, you want everyone else to have you point out all the other silly behavior, divisive, racist, stupid, retarded, and generally idiotic rants commonplace to OT. I thought not.

And no, its not all about you. Relax and go sip something calming already.

Typical Hal response, barely address anything and then spin the hell out of it. The only thing you really addressed was the word "enough"... well my friend that was more of me saying "jeez' than me barking a order. Nevertheless its enough to grant you your segue into that ridiculous rant.

Have another piña colada. You seem to need a few since getting so touchy yesterday. Do try reading what's actually written next time mkay?