Americans' belief in global warming cools

[Peikko 1,575]

America's belief in evolution never warmed up either.

[웃 910]

Why does it matter if there is global warming? If the planet is getting warmer then that is great!

...If it was global cooling I would be greatly concerned.

[HAL 9000 96]

Because the changes anticipated with the phenomenon are already being measured. Its more than just our comfort range with temperature. But someone should come along shortly to claim its ok too.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Because the changes anticipated with the phenomenon are already being measured. Its more than just our comfort range with temperature. But someone should come along shortly to claim its ok too.

It's okay, unless you don't feel like moving if the need arises, and then, I guess it's not okay. Scientists are such pussies!

[HAL 9000 96]

Because the changes anticipated with the phenomenon are already being measured. Its more than just our comfort range with temperature. But someone should come along shortly to claim its ok too.

It's okay, unless you don't feel like moving if the need arises, and then, I guess it's not okay. Scientists are such pussies!

That I find highly irresponsible and insulting to people in low-lying countries and those hit by droughts. Or a good chunk of the world's population.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Why does it matter if there is global warming? If the planet is getting warmer then that is great!

...If it was global cooling I would be greatly concerned.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Because the changes anticipated with the phenomenon are already being measured. Its more than just our comfort range with temperature. But someone should come along shortly to claim its ok too.

It's okay, unless you don't feel like moving if the need arises, and then, I guess it's not okay. Scientists are such pussies!

That I find highly irresponsible and insulting to people in low-lying countries and those hit by droughts. Or a good chunk of the world's population.

Is it really going to be all that? I mean, are there hard numbers and realistic scenarios that have not overdramaticized the scale of the problem, besides what would be naturally occuring without the hand of man?

[Danno 1,228]

America's belief in evolution never warmed up either.

Yeah, scientific blunders like this aren't helping either.

‘Missing link’ primate isn’t a link after all

Expert: Ida is as far from monkey-ape-human ancestry as primate can be

The Associated Press

updated 1:52 p.m. ET, Wed., Oct . 21, 2009

NEW YORK - Remember Ida, the fossil discovery announced last May with its own book and TV documentary? A publicity blitz called it "the link" that would reveal the earliest evolutionary roots of monkeys, apes and humans.

Experts protested that Ida wasn't even a close relative. And now a new analysis supports their reaction.

In fact, Ida is as far removed from the monkey-ape-human ancestry as a primate could be, says Erik Seiffert of Stony Brook University in New York.

He and his colleagues compared 360 specific anatomical features of 117 living and extinct primate species to draw up a family tree. They report the results in Thursday's issue of the journal Nature.

Ida is a skeleton of a 47 million-year-old cat-sized creature found in Germany. It starred in a book, "The Link: Uncovering Our Earliest Ancestor."

Ida represents a previously unknown primate species called Darwinius. The scientists who formally announced the finding said they weren't claiming Darwinius was a direct ancestor of monkeys, apes and humans. But they did argue that it belongs in the same major evolutionary grouping, and that it showed what an actual ancestor of that era might have looked like.

The new analysis says Darwinius does not belong in the same primate category as monkeys, apes and humans. Instead, the analysis concluded, it falls into the other major grouping, which includes lemurs.

Experts agreed.

"This is a rigorous analysis based on many features," said Eric Sargis, an anthropology professor at Yale. He said he'd found the argument of the Darwinius researchers unconvincing, so the new result came as no surprise.

In fact, it confirms what most scientists think, said David Begun, a paleoanthropologist at the University of Toronto.

Jorn Hurum of the Natural History Museum in Oslo, Norway, an author of the Ida paper, said he welcomed the new analysis.

Darwinius is an example of a group of primates called adapoids, and "we are happy to start the scientific discussion" about what Ida means for where adapoids fit on the primate family tree, he wrote in an e-mail.

© 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33416595/ns/te...ence/?gt1=43001

[one...two...tree 2,762]

[HAL 9000 96]

Because the changes anticipated with the phenomenon are already being measured. Its more than just our comfort range with temperature. But someone should come along shortly to claim its ok too.

It's okay, unless you don't feel like moving if the need arises, and then, I guess it's not okay. Scientists are such pussies!

That I find highly irresponsible and insulting to people in low-lying countries and those hit by droughts. Or a good chunk of the world's population.

Is it really going to be all that? I mean, are there hard numbers and realistic scenarios that have not overdramaticized the scale of the problem, besides what would be naturally occuring without the hand of man?

If the average continues to go up- yes. Natural is one thing. Global mean anthropogenic is another. We can't block the sun with one hand- its still there.

Now we can expect the idiotic Al Gore comment some post in the future, of course.

[scandal 951]

Because the changes anticipated with the phenomenon are already being measured. Its more than just our comfort range with temperature. But someone should come along shortly to claim its ok too.

It's okay, unless you don't feel like moving if the need arises, and then, I guess it's not okay. Scientists are such pussies!

That I find highly irresponsible and insulting to people in low-lying countries and those hit by droughts. Or a good chunk of the world's population.

Is it really going to be all that? I mean, are there hard numbers and realistic scenarios that have not overdramaticized the scale of the problem, besides what would be naturally occuring without the hand of man?

Dude, I'm not an expert by any means.

But a realistic scenario that does not seem at all far fetched to me is that a few degrees of warming is enough to cause serious erosion of the ice sheets on Greenland and Antarctica. If those ice sheets slide off the land masses and into the oceans, it will raise sea levels by feet. Not inches, but many feet. That is enough to swamp low lying coastal areas and islands like the Maldives and Bangladesh. Don't give a ** about Bangladesh? Fine, me neither. How about Holland. Or Manhattan. Or LA. Am I getting closer to home now? Imagine the Sacramento delta being under 10 feet of water. What exactly does that do to the Russian River?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

[HAL 9000 96]

America's belief in evolution never warmed up either.

Yeah, scientific blunders like this aren't helping either.

'Missing link' primate isn't a link after all

Expert: Ida is as far from monkey-ape-human ancestry as primate can be

The Associated Press

updated 1:52 p.m. ET, Wed., Oct . 21, 2009

NEW YORK - Remember Ida, the fossil discovery announced last May with its own book and TV documentary? A publicity blitz called it "the link" that would reveal the earliest evolutionary roots of monkeys, apes and humans.

Experts protested that Ida wasn't even a close relative. And now a new analysis supports their reaction.

In fact, Ida is as far removed from the monkey-ape-human ancestry as a primate could be, says Erik Seiffert of Stony Brook University in New York.

He and his colleagues compared 360 specific anatomical features of 117 living and extinct primate species to draw up a family tree. They report the results in Thursday's issue of the journal Nature.

Ida is a skeleton of a 47 million-year-old cat-sized creature found in Germany. It starred in a book, "The Link: Uncovering Our Earliest Ancestor."

Ida represents a previously unknown primate species called Darwinius. The scientists who formally announced the finding said they weren't claiming Darwinius was a direct ancestor of monkeys, apes and humans. But they did argue that it belongs in the same major evolutionary grouping, and that it showed what an actual ancestor of that era might have looked like.

The new analysis says Darwinius does not belong in the same primate category as monkeys, apes and humans. Instead, the analysis concluded, it falls into the other major grouping, which includes lemurs.

Experts agreed.

"This is a rigorous analysis based on many features," said Eric Sargis, an anthropology professor at Yale. He said he'd found the argument of the Darwinius researchers unconvincing, so the new result came as no surprise.

In fact, it confirms what most scientists think, said David Begun, a paleoanthropologist at the University of Toronto.

Jorn Hurum of the Natural History Museum in Oslo, Norway, an author of the Ida paper, said he welcomed the new analysis.

Darwinius is an example of a group of primates called adapoids, and "we are happy to start the scientific discussion" about what Ida means for where adapoids fit on the primate family tree, he wrote in an e-mail.

© 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33416595/ns/te...ence/?gt1=43001

What a fool calls a blunder a person that read that same paper (not the Nature source, but the actual news article) would call science. Get over it. Do you understand the difference?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

America's belief in evolution never warmed up either.

Yeah, scientific blunders like this aren't helping either.

What a fool calls a blunder a person that read that same paper (not the Nature source, but the actual news article) would call science. Get over it. Do you understand the difference?

HAL, just ask Danno what the capital of Texas is. Beauty pageant contestants know science like a scientist knows about women's fashion.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Because the changes anticipated with the phenomenon are already being measured. Its more than just our comfort range with temperature. But someone should come along shortly to claim its ok too.

It's okay, unless you don't feel like moving if the need arises, and then, I guess it's not okay. Scientists are such pussies!

That I find highly irresponsible and insulting to people in low-lying countries and those hit by droughts. Or a good chunk of the world's population.

Is it really going to be all that? I mean, are there hard numbers and realistic scenarios that have not overdramaticized the scale of the problem, besides what would be naturally occuring without the hand of man?

Dude, I'm not an expert by any means.

But a realistic scenario that does not seem at all far fetched to me is that a few degrees of warming is enough to cause serious erosion of the ice sheets on Greenland and Antarctica. If those ice sheets slide off the land masses and into the oceans, it will raise sea levels by feet. Not inches, but many feet. That is enough to swamp low lying coastal areas and islands like the Maldives and Bangladesh. Don't give a ** about Bangladesh? Fine, me neither. How about Holland. Or Manhattan. Or LA. Am I getting closer to home now? Imagine the Sacramento delta being under 10 feet of water. What exactly does that do to the Russian River?

I am 70 feet above sea level. I will be fine. Thanks for asking. People have about 100 years to move to land more than 19 feet above record high tide.