Good News Comrades: Exec Pay Capped by the Dems

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

What exactly is it about government run health care systems that you find distasteful?

What I find distasteful is that it takes money out of my pocket thinking they know how to spend it more wisely.

Dude, wake up, that happens today already. Only it isn't the evil guvmint taking that money out of your pocket to give it to someone else to spend but the evil pimps of health care system - the insurance industry. They'll take your money - ever more of it - and then drop you like a hot potato if you actually want a service in return. What a deal!

[Peikko 1,575]

and their jackoff peons on this thread try to protect them.

Everyone's afraid that we're going towards socialism in this country but what most don't realize is that if we don't make some major changes, regular people like all of us here will be much much worse off, I don't even want to imagine what our children's situation will be.

I don't think it's fair that while the unemployment rate continues to be 10% that the financial institutions that laid of tons of people off should give their execs huge bonuses, it's not morally right. Their screw ups led to many people (some of whom I know, I live in NY and have friends who work(ed) for these companies), getting laid off and having no source of income to support their families, losing their homes and health insurance.

More than a partisan debate, I believe it's a moral one.

Well were not exactly going away from Socialism. I think what a lot of people take issue with is having strong social characteristics similar to what you would in find in a lot of Europe, heading that direction is what people often take issue with, yes we have our problems here in the states that need to be fixed but I dont think that modeling the United States after Finland is the only answer or the best answer.

What social characteristics would you find in Europe but not in the States Simpson?

Government run healthcare

How is that a social characteristic?

Be that as it may. What exactly is it about government run health care systems that you find distasteful?

Well look at my original response and you will see that it says socialist, upon proof reading it I changed it but you guys responded rather quickly.

What I find distasteful is that it takes money out of my pocket thinking they know how to spend it more wisely.

Based on what? It seems that in the instance of health care, the government run health care systems can in fact spend the money more wisely. There is a lot of data that backs this up.

Edited October 22, 2009 by Madame Cleo

[Heracles 417]

Sorry, I prefer a high performance car as opposed to better mileage. You can go drive your hybrid douchebagmobile.

Audi actually.

Next

You fuqtard, now i'm going to have to sell mine.

How do you sell your lease?

Edited October 22, 2009 by Booyah!

[Kevin and 10]

Along with AIG, the firm affected are Citigroup, Bank of America, General Motors, Chrysler and the financing arms of the two automakers, GMAC Financial Services and Chrysler Financial.

Funny how Goldman Sachs isn't included, the 4th largest lobby group over the last 20 years.

[_Simpson_ 250]

What exactly is it about government run health care systems that you find distasteful?

What I find distasteful is that it takes money out of my pocket thinking they know how to spend it more wisely.

Dude, wake up, that happens today already. Only it isn't the evil guvmint taking that money out of your pocket to give it to someone else to spend but the evil pimps of health care system - the insurance industry. They'll take your money - ever more of it - and then drop you like a hot potato if you actually want a service in return. What a deal!

Look at the big picture here "dude", I would rather pick my own health care provider and considering I am making the money I think its a fair proposition.

[HAL 9000 96]

I can even see Central America from my window - I'm waving at them now

I'm in Central America right now. The leaves here are turning a crisp golden amber color. Very nice. And socialist.

Well were not exactly going away from Socialism. I think what a lot of people take issue with is having strong social characteristics similar to what you would in find in a lot of Europe, heading that direction is what people often take issue with, yes we have our problems here in the states that need to be fixed but I dont think that modeling the United States after Finland is the only answer or the best answer.

Indeed. Why would anyone want a better standard of living

Personally I think people take issue with this stuff for the wrong reasons - and they often don't know what they are objecting to. As has been shown on here innumerable times people have great difficulty perceiving the distinction between liberalism, socialism, social democracy and communism.

Because to some folks, becoming a little less rich Rich folks means everybody becomes miserable.

Well were not exactly going away from Socialism. I think what a lot of people take issue with is having strong social characteristics similar to what you would in find in a lot of Europe, heading that direction is what people often take issue with, yes we have our problems here in the states that need to be fixed but I dont think that modeling the United States after Finland is the only answer or the best answer.

Indeed. Why would anyone want a better standard of living

Personally I think people take issue with this stuff for the wrong reasons - and they often don't know what they are objecting to. As has been shown on here innumerable times people have great difficulty perceiving the distinction between liberalism, socialism, social democracy and communism.

Well I what I take issue with is that I think I am best fit to see how my money is spent as opposed to the government.

You spelled Brett Favre's name incorrectly for a good 3 weeks. That precludes you from being best equipped to know how to spend your own money.

Everyone thinks they know how to better spend their money than the government does. This is micro attempt at a macro issue.

BF deserves to have his name misspelled. I'm with Simpson on that one.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

What exactly is it about government run health care systems that you find distasteful?

What I find distasteful is that it takes money out of my pocket thinking they know how to spend it more wisely.

Dude, wake up, that happens today already. Only it isn't the evil guvmint taking that money out of your pocket to give it to someone else to spend but the evil pimps of health care system - the insurance industry. They'll take your money - ever more of it - and then drop you like a hot potato if you actually want a service in return. What a deal!

Look at the big picture here "dude", I would rather pick my own health care provider and considering I am making the money I think its a fair proposition.

But you don't have any control over how much that plan costs you. You don't have control of the billing process, the bureaucracy, nor what you are charged.

[jcg303 1]

and their jackoff peons on this thread try to protect them.

Everyone's afraid that we're going towards socialism in this country but what most don't realize is that if we don't make some major changes, regular people like all of us here will be much much worse off, I don't even want to imagine what our children's situation will be.

I don't think it's fair that while the unemployment rate continues to be 10% that the financial institutions that laid of tons of people off should give their execs huge bonuses, it's not morally right. Their screw ups led to many people (some of whom I know, I live in NY and have friends who work(ed) for these companies), getting laid off and having no source of income to support their families, losing their homes and health insurance.

More than a partisan debate, I believe it's a moral one.

I agree. I wish everyone would look at what is really going on and use common sense. I don't own a bank and I don't own a company that makes cars but i do hope to own a small biz nd employ a few people if I could and it seems as if the big guys just want to b the only ones making it. Imagine a world where America is run without the peoples voice but by special interest. right wing, left wing that should be something of great concern. Yes they they should make money but what they deserve to make. I want to also make this a point if the middle class and regular people are not making it they will only get to laugh for just so long because we make it possible for them to have the private jets.

and who are you or anyone else to decide what someone deserves to make? what if you start your business and it becomes so successful, that you decide to go public. after years of hard work to grow your business, do you want someone to tell you that you make entirely too much money because it's not fair that they don't.

you want to see some changes on wall street? take away government backing on secured loans. the days of 1 year ARMs and interest only loans will dissappear over night - banks won't take the risk! try going to your local credit union or community bank and asking for a mortgage with the type of terms offered by bank of america or citi. they'll do well not to laugh out loud.

america stands for equal opportunity - not equal results.

[_Simpson_ 250]

But that's precisely what government is elected to do.

yes but the reality of it is that there not very efficient at doing it, so its very important that we keep there involvement on the low end.

[Heracles 417]

america stands for equal opportunity - not equal results.

You lie! Someone in the ghetto has no chance of competing with a student in my county. Yes the county with highest grossing household income in the entire United States of America.

Equal opportunity is what countries like Australia, Norway, Canada, Sweden etc provide, not America. Where a kid's grades determine their entrance into college rather than their parents wealth.

Edited October 22, 2009 by Booyah!

[HAL 9000 96]

But that's precisely what government is elected to do.

yes but the reality of it is that there not very efficient at doing it, so its very important that we keep there involvement on the low end.

Or just do the anarchy thing and let the people with the money decide what's best for all of us. Oh wait... that's ALREADY the way things are done here.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

But that's precisely what government is elected to do.

yes but the reality of it is that there not very efficient at doing it, so its very important that we keep there involvement on the low end.

Come on, Simpson - you can do better than trot out the cliches. Yes there are indeed problems with government spending and bureaucracy - but if you're talking about healthcare you can hardly ignore the problems endemic in the private US healthcard system - and a bureaucracy that costs more per patient in the US than it does elsewhere.

[Susita 175]

america stands for equal opportunity - not equal results.

You lie! Someone in the ghetto has no chance of competing with a student in my county. Yes the county with highest grossing household income in the entire United States of America.

Equal opportunity is what countries like Australia, Norway, Canada, Sweden etc provide, not America. Where a kid's grades determine their entrance into college rather than their parents wealth.

Applause

Great post

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

You lie! Someone in the ghetto has no chance of competing with a student in my county. Yes the county with highest grossing household income in the entire United States of America.

Is that because the wealthy dickheads who run this country have stacked the decks against the ghetto child, or is that because the ghetto is full of minorities and we all know what they're like?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

What exactly is it about government run health care systems that you find distasteful?

What I find distasteful is that it takes money out of my pocket thinking they know how to spend it more wisely.

Dude, wake up, that happens today already. Only it isn't the evil guvmint taking that money out of your pocket to give it to someone else to spend but the evil pimps of health care system - the insurance industry. They'll take your money - ever more of it - and then drop you like a hot potato if you actually want a service in return. What a deal!

Look at the big picture here "dude", I would rather pick my own health care provider and considering I am making the money I think its a fair proposition.

Well, look at the big picture and you'll find that nobody wants to pick your health care provider for you. Not any more so than your insurance company already does today.