Good News Comrades: Exec Pay Capped by the Dems

[The_Dude 1,142]

Sorry, I prefer a high performance car as opposed to better mileage. You can go drive your hybrid douchebagmobile.

Audi actually.

Next

You fuqtard, now i'm going to have to sell mine.

How do you sell your lease?

Sorry, i'm not descended from criminals, I purchased mine outright. But you have fun in your little stolen A4

[_Simpson_ 250]

What exactly is it about government run health care systems that you find distasteful?

What I find distasteful is that it takes money out of my pocket thinking they know how to spend it more wisely.

Dude, wake up, that happens today already. Only it isn't the evil guvmint taking that money out of your pocket to give it to someone else to spend but the evil pimps of health care system - the insurance industry. They'll take your money - ever more of it - and then drop you like a hot potato if you actually want a service in return. What a deal!

Look at the big picture here "dude", I would rather pick my own health care provider and considering I am making the money I think its a fair proposition.

But you don't have any control over how much that plan costs you. You don't have control of the billing process, the bureaucracy, nor what you are charged.

No for the most part, but I know what your point is, the government could do it cheaper, we have conflicting opinions. Regardless I would like the option to choose my healthcare provider and if there is issues(as there is) we need to address them in a fashion so that the people making the money get to choose where there money goes

I suppose I have to say it again for the cheap seats in the back?

NOBODY IS LOOKING TO TAKE YOUR CHOICE OF HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS AWAY FROM YOU.

Get it?

Do I have to say it to you again, I made the money and I should be able to with it as I please!

You don't pay any taxes Simpson?

I do yes, what your point?, that I should give them more because I give them some. To make roads and schools seems reasonable to me, I have used them right?, then theres social programs I dont agree with but thats what the people want and if some sort of health care plan is voted in then I must accept it and I will continue working and being the model citizen that I am, that said I will fight it until the bitter end because I dont find it to be the best solution.

Edited October 22, 2009 by _Simpson_

[Peikko 1,575]

When I lived in the UK, I could choose my healthcare provider.

Funny that, I did too. I wonder why we were so special?

Seriously Simpson, there is a lot of information out there that conclusively proves that the American model for health care is not serving anyone well apart from a a very few insurance companies. It's not even like there is any significant competition between the different insurers. There are better ways to provide health care for US citizens, ways that expect participants to take responsibility for their own health, deliver reasonably priced care and allow for everyone to choose their own providers.

You are kidding yourself if you think that having a government run program is the only effective way to do it, and knowing my government I would hate to think how badly they could screw up something like a government run healthcare.

Am I? All the effective systems I have come across to date are at least partly government run. Your lack of confidence in your own government is worrying. Surely the way to solve that is not to run away from the problem, but to challenge it?

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

What exactly is it about government run health care systems that you find distasteful?

What I find distasteful is that it takes money out of my pocket thinking they know how to spend it more wisely.

Dude, wake up, that happens today already. Only it isn't the evil guvmint taking that money out of your pocket to give it to someone else to spend but the evil pimps of health care system - the insurance industry. They'll take your money - ever more of it - and then drop you like a hot potato if you actually want a service in return. What a deal!

Look at the big picture here "dude", I would rather pick my own health care provider and considering I am making the money I think its a fair proposition.

But you don't have any control over how much that plan costs you. You don't have control of the billing process, the bureaucracy, nor what you are charged.

No for the most part, but I know what your point is, the government could do it cheaper, we have conflicting opinions. Regardless I would like the option to choose my healthcare provider and if there is issues(as there is) we need to address them in a fashion so that the people making the money get to choose where there money goes

I suppose I have to say it again for the cheap seats in the back?

NOBODY IS LOOKING TO TAKE YOUR CHOICE OF HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS AWAY FROM YOU.

Get it?

Do I have to say it to you again, I made the money and I should be able to with it as I please!

Yes, and nobody is looking to change that. If you want to keep paying the pimp, you're free to do so.

[_Simpson_ 250]

So yeah, sounds good, keep your tax dollars... lets not reform anything so people continue dying because they can't afford health coverage. Sounds like a super idea.

####### is wrong with people?

Good grief you think we want people dying and have no desire to reform health care? We want reform the question is how do we want to go about it? I simply just disagree with your approach, we are not cold hearted ba5tards believe it or not.

[Peikko 1,575]

So yeah, sounds good, keep your tax dollars... lets not reform anything so people continue dying because they can't afford health coverage. Sounds like a super idea.

####### is wrong with people?

Good grief you think we want people dying and have no desire to reform health care? We want reform the question is how do we want to go about it? I simply just disagree with your approach, we are not cold hearted ba5tards believe it or not.

I am sure you are not, however there doesn't seem to be a viable option forthcoming from 'your' side - unless you know of something I don't?

[_Simpson_ 250]

Yes, and nobody is looking to change that. If you want to keep paying the pimp, you're free to do so.

You choose not to deal with reality if you dont think that a government run healthcare plan wouldn't do just that, I know you think it pencils out and were all going to be paying less but I am not that naive.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

When I lived in the UK, I could choose my healthcare provider.

Funny that, I did too. I wonder why we were so special?

Seriously Simpson, there is a lot of information out there that conclusively proves that the American model for health care is not serving anyone well apart from a a very few insurance companies. It's not even like there is any significant competition between the different insurers. There are better ways to provide health care for US citizens, ways that expect participants to take responsibility for their own health, deliver reasonably priced care and allow for everyone to choose their own providers.

You are kidding yourself if you think that having a government run program is the only effective way to do it, and knowing my government I would hate to think how badly they could screw up something like a government run healthcare.

I've experienced both systems and I can tell you what I'd rather have.

The NHS has problems, no doubt about it - but I don't have to worry about how much money I have in the bank before I decide to get something checked out.

[_Simpson_ 250]

When I lived in the UK, I could choose my healthcare provider.

Funny that, I did too. I wonder why we were so special?

Seriously Simpson, there is a lot of information out there that conclusively proves that the American model for health care is not serving anyone well apart from a a very few insurance companies. It's not even like there is any significant competition between the different insurers. There are better ways to provide health care for US citizens, ways that expect participants to take responsibility for their own health, deliver reasonably priced care and allow for everyone to choose their own providers.

You are kidding yourself if you think that having a government run program is the only effective way to do it, and knowing my government I would hate to think how badly they could screw up something like a government run healthcare.

Am I? All the effective systems I have come across to date are at least partly government run. Your lack of confidence in your own government is worrying. Surely the way to solve that is not to run away from the problem, but to challenge it?

whoa wait your changing gears and I almost walked into that busy intersection, up until now we have been addressing government run programs because of how this whole discussion started, that said I think there needs to be some sort government interaction but I am not a big fan of the public option.

[_Simpson_ 250]

I've experienced both systems and I can tell you what I'd rather have.

The NHS has problems, no doubt about it - but I don't have to worry about how much money I have in the bank before I decide to get something checked out.

Different governments, different concerns.

I dont really have to worry, do you?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

From what I understand the only proposal on the table is to offer a public option for people who can't afford a private insurance program. You'll still be able to purchase health insurance through your company - the only people who would benefit from the public option would be people who otherwise cannot afford to get it elsewhere (the unemployed, small business owners etc).

Nothing about it would amount to removing the freedom of choice to choose a healthcare provider.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I've experienced both systems and I can tell you what I'd rather have.

The NHS has problems, no doubt about it - but I don't have to worry about how much money I have in the bank before I decide to get something checked out.

Different governments, different concerns.

I dont really have to worry, do you?

Not currently no.

But unless you are Donald Trump, I don't think you can say with conviction that if you or your wife were to develop a serious long-term illness, like cancer, that you would be able to predict how much the subsequent care would likely cost you.

People go bankrupt over medical expenses, and its not as uncommon as you might think.

[_Simpson_ 250]

####### is wrong with people?

The small-government low-taxes posse can hardly be called "people". They're jackoffs.

"The small-government low taxes posse" well a least you came up with something different, "big guvimint" was getting old.

If only things were that simply then we would of been written off many moons ago.

[Kevin and 10]

Socialism, the opium of the people, yay!

I thought it was religion.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Yes, and nobody is looking to change that. If you want to keep paying the pimp, you're free to do so.

You choose not to deal with reality if you dont think that a government run healthcare plan wouldn't do just that, I know you think it pencils out and were all going to be paying less but I am not that naive.

The fact of the matter is that the private enterprise driven system in the US has create by far the most expensive and least efficient health care system in the developed world. You can deny that all you want but it remains a fact. Medicare is more efficient than any private health insurance in this country. Hence, there's no reason to believe that "Medicare Part E" - "E" as in available to everyone - would be less efficient than the private health insurance.