Tea Baggers to GOP: Fcuk You

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Awesome, the tea baggers help the Democrats.

Poll: GOP split could lead to Democratic victory

Posted: October 15th, 2009 12:35 PM ET

From From CNN Deputy Political Director Paul Steinhauser

(CNN) – A new poll indicates that a split on the right could allow Democrats to take over a congressional district they haven't won in generations.

According to a Siena College survey released Thursday, 33 percent of likely voters in New York's 23rd congressional district support Democrat Bill Owens, with 29 percent backing Republican Dierdre Scozzafava and 23 percent supporting Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman.

Scozzafava's dropped 6 points over the past two weeks, with Owens now up 5 points and Hoffman jumping 7 points. The Democrat's 4-point lead over the Republican is within the poll's sampling error.

The election in the three-way race to fill a vacant congressional seat is 19 days away. The office opened up after nine-term Republican Rep. John McHugh stepped down after being confirmed as Secretary of the Army. The largely rural district spans 11 counties in northern New York.

Republicans have represented this area of the state since 1872. McHugh never won less than 60 percent of the vote in his nine election victories, but Barack Obama did edge out John McCain in the district in last year's presidential election.

Scozzafava won the nomination in a vote taken by the 11 GOP county chairman in the district, rather than through a traditional primary election. The local Republican leaders picked the state assemblywoman, who is also backed by the National Republican Congressional Committee, because they felt her moderate views would appeal to centrist Republicans, independents, and even some Democrats.

The move sparked a revolt among many conservatives, who are angry with what they call her liberal views on same-sex marriage and abortion. They are backing Hoffman, an accountant, who is running on the Conservative Party line.

The poll indicates that Scozzafava is edging out Hoffman 40 percent to 27 percent among Republicans - but that 13 point lead is down from a 25 percent margin two weeks ago. According to the poll, 31 percent of independent voters back Hoffman, with 28 percent supporting Owens, a lawyer, and 24 percent backing Scozzafava. The survey suggests that Hoffman's gained 11 points among independents over the past two weeks.

Over that time period, the fiscally conservative Club for Growth and the Hoffman campaign have both hit the air with spots that paint the third-party candidate as the race's true conservative candidate.

"Scozzafava's seven-point lead has evaporated over the last two weeks, as voters have gotten to know all the candidates better," says Siena pollster Steven Greenberg. "Hoffman remains the least known candidate. Nearly half of those who say they are voting for Hoffman don't know enough about him to have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of him."

"There is a big geographic split in the district, which stretches across more than 200 miles and parts of 11 counties," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.

"According to the Siena poll, the Republican is ahead in the Watertown media market along the St. Lawrence river and the upper reaches of Lake Ontario. The Democrat has an advantage near the Vermont border and into the Albany media market. And the poll indicates that the third-party candidate may have the edge in the Syracuse media market at the western edge of the district."

The Siena College poll was conducted Sunday through Tuesday, with 617 likely voters in New York's 23rd congressional district questioned by telephone. The survey's sampling error is plus or minus 3.9 percentage points.

[mawilson 2,133]

Why are you making it a partisan issue?

The Republicans and Democrats are the same regime - both redistribute our money to corporations.

Call me a "**" if you like - I hate both of them with a passion.

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Call me a "**" if you like ...

I doubt you'd fit in with that crowd.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Why are you making it a partisan issue?

The Republicans and Democrats are the same regime - both redistribute our money to corporations.

Call me a "**" if you like - I hate both of them with a passion.

I'm not making this a partisan issue. I'm just pointing out that the tea baggers' insistence on either controlling or abandoning the GOP puts both the GOP and the tea baggers into an interesting situation in this "winner takes all" electoral system of ours. The tea baggers are actually helping the libruls put their candidates into office. There's a bit of irony in this, don't you think?

[mawilson 2,133]

I'm not making this a partisan issue. I'm just pointing out that the tea baggers' insistence on either controlling or abandoning the GOP puts both the GOP and the tea baggers into an interesting situation in this "winner takes all" electoral system of ours. The tea baggers are actually helping the libruls put their candidates into office. There's a bit of irony in this, don't you think?

I don't. You're assuming that the teabaggers support GOP when in fact they don't - they

are just regular folks who are sick and tired of deficits, wasteful expenditures and the lack

of fiscal discipline. People who exercise self-discipline and keep their own checkbooks

balanced and expect nothing less of their government.

[kaydee457 13]

I'm not making this a partisan issue. I'm just pointing out that the tea baggers' insistence on either controlling or abandoning the GOP puts both the GOP and the tea baggers into an interesting situation in this "winner takes all" electoral system of ours. The tea baggers are actually helping the libruls put their candidates into office. There's a bit of irony in this, don't you think?

I don't. You're assuming that the teabaggers support GOP when in fact they don't - they

are just regular folks who are sick and tired of deficits, wasteful expenditures and the lack

of fiscal discipline. People who exercise self-discipline and keep their own checkbooks

balanced and expect nothing less of their government.

Ditto.....

Unfortunately for Mr. Big he views all things from a partisan point of view. Tiring. One would think Mr. that you would've abandoned the dark side (no racial reference BTW) given your boy's (again, nothing racial meant here) 9 month amateurish and embarrassing odyssey as prez......

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I'm not making this a partisan issue. I'm just pointing out that the tea baggers' insistence on either controlling or abandoning the GOP puts both the GOP and the tea baggers into an interesting situation in this "winner takes all" electoral system of ours. The tea baggers are actually helping the libruls put their candidates into office. There's a bit of irony in this, don't you think?

I don't. You're assuming that the teabaggers support GOP when in fact they don't - they are just regular folks who are sick and tired of deficits, wasteful expenditures and the lack of fiscal discipline. People who exercise self-discipline and keep their own checkbooks balanced and expect nothing less of their government.

If that was so, I'd have to ask where the tea baggers were all these years when the GOP abandoned fiscal discipline and racked up the federal debt starting with the Gipper in the early 80's. They been sleeping for a quarter century to just suddenly wake up now? That's odd, isn't it?

Edited October 21, 2009 by Mr. Big Dog

[Kevin and 10]

I'm not making this a partisan issue. I'm just pointing out that the tea baggers' insistence on either controlling or abandoning the GOP puts both the GOP and the tea baggers into an interesting situation in this "winner takes all" electoral system of ours. The tea baggers are actually helping the libruls put their candidates into office. There's a bit of irony in this, don't you think?

I don't. You're assuming that the teabaggers support GOP when in fact they don't - they are just regular folks who are sick and tired of deficits, wasteful expenditures and the lack of fiscal discipline. People who exercise self-discipline and keep their own checkbooks balanced and expect nothing less of their government.

If that was so, I'd have to ask where the tea baggers were all these years when the GOP abandoned fiscal discipline and racked up the federal debt starting with the Gipper in the early 80's. They been sleeping for a quarter century to just suddenly wake up now? That's odd, isn't it?

No

Trillion dollar corporate and banker bailouts were being handed out in the 80's.

[mawilson 2,133]

If that was so, I'd have to ask where the tea baggers were all these years when the GOP abandoned fiscal discipline and racked up the federal debt starting with the Gipper in the early 80's. They been sleeping for a quarter century to just suddenly wake up now? That's odd, isn't it?

Our national debt has never been close to 100% of GDP (since WWII.)

Deficits have never exceeded 10% of GDP (since WWII.)

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I'm not making this a partisan issue. I'm just pointing out that the tea baggers' insistence on either controlling or abandoning the GOP puts both the GOP and the tea baggers into an interesting situation in this "winner takes all" electoral system of ours. The tea baggers are actually helping the libruls put their candidates into office. There's a bit of irony in this, don't you think?

I don't. You're assuming that the teabaggers support GOP when in fact they don't - they are just regular folks who are sick and tired of deficits, wasteful expenditures and the lack of fiscal discipline. People who exercise self-discipline and keep their own checkbooks balanced and expect nothing less of their government.

If that was so, I'd have to ask where the tea baggers were all these years when the GOP abandoned fiscal discipline and racked up the federal debt starting with the Gipper in the early 80's. They been sleeping for a quarter century to just suddenly wake up now? That's odd, isn't it?

No Trillion dollar corporate and banker bailouts were being handed out in the 80's.

Firstly, the issue was fiscal discipline which was hard to come by under any of the GOP administrations since Reagan (who tripled the national debt during his two terms while the elder Bush added 50% to the debt in one term and W who doubled the debt during his two terms). Secondly, there was the S&L crisis in the 80's and 90's which cost the US taxpayer dearly and bankers were bailed out. And yet, no tea bagging while the GOP occupied the White House. The timing of the tea baggers' awakening surely remains odd.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

If that was so, I'd have to ask where the tea baggers were all these years when the GOP abandoned fiscal discipline and racked up the federal debt starting with the Gipper in the early 80's. They been sleeping for a quarter century to just suddenly wake up now? That's odd, isn't it?

Our national debt has never been close to 100% of GDP (since WWII.)

Deficits have never exceeded 10% of GDP (since WWII.)

No, but they didn't make their way into this range overnight or during the last nine months. I've described in another thread how the Gipper, H.W. and W have done a tremedous job to bring the debt to GDP ratio from 32% at the start of Reagan's first term to about 85% at the end of W's second term (excluding Obama's stimuls package). The only Democrat in the White House during this time was Clinton who took over with a 66% debt to GDP ratio and left with a 57% ratio. In fact, the only years where the debt to GDP ratio decreased during the last 27 years are the latter 6 years of the Clinton Presidency.

Again, how did the tea baggers miss 20 years of GOP fiscal irresponsibility?

Edited October 21, 2009 by Mr. Big Dog

[mawilson 2,133]

Again, how did the tea baggers miss 20 years of GOP fiscal irresponsibility?

We didn't have 20 years of GOP. As you pointed out, Clinton undid some of Reagan's bad policies

and we had peace, prosperity and a balanced budget for a while.

When Obama promised "change", the last thing people expected him to do was to double down

on Bush's most reckless and short-sighted policies.

[zqt3344 21]

Wishful thinking, the republicans will win and they will pick up seats and within 2 years they will control congress again, the Democrats are out of touch and lost their way, and they are not doing what they were elected to do at all and everyone knows it.

Awesome, the tea baggers help the Democrats.

Poll: GOP split could lead to Democratic victory

Posted: October 15th, 2009 12:35 PM ET

From From CNN Deputy Political Director Paul Steinhauser

(CNN) – A new poll indicates that a split on the right could allow Democrats to take over a congressional district they haven't won in generations.

According to a Siena College survey released Thursday, 33 percent of likely voters in New York's 23rd congressional district support Democrat Bill Owens, with 29 percent backing Republican Dierdre Scozzafava and 23 percent supporting Conservative Party candidate Doug Hoffman.

Scozzafava's dropped 6 points over the past two weeks, with Owens now up 5 points and Hoffman jumping 7 points. The Democrat's 4-point lead over the Republican is within the poll's sampling error.

The election in the three-way race to fill a vacant congressional seat is 19 days away. The office opened up after nine-term Republican Rep. John McHugh stepped down after being confirmed as Secretary of the Army. The largely rural district spans 11 counties in northern New York.

Republicans have represented this area of the state since 1872. McHugh never won less than 60 percent of the vote in his nine election victories, but Barack Obama did edge out John McCain in the district in last year's presidential election.

Scozzafava won the nomination in a vote taken by the 11 GOP county chairman in the district, rather than through a traditional primary election. The local Republican leaders picked the state assemblywoman, who is also backed by the National Republican Congressional Committee, because they felt her moderate views would appeal to centrist Republicans, independents, and even some Democrats.

The move sparked a revolt among many conservatives, who are angry with what they call her liberal views on same-sex marriage and abortion. They are backing Hoffman, an accountant, who is running on the Conservative Party line.

The poll indicates that Scozzafava is edging out Hoffman 40 percent to 27 percent among Republicans - but that 13 point lead is down from a 25 percent margin two weeks ago. According to the poll, 31 percent of independent voters back Hoffman, with 28 percent supporting Owens, a lawyer, and 24 percent backing Scozzafava. The survey suggests that Hoffman's gained 11 points among independents over the past two weeks.

Over that time period, the fiscally conservative Club for Growth and the Hoffman campaign have both hit the air with spots that paint the third-party candidate as the race's true conservative candidate.

"Scozzafava's seven-point lead has evaporated over the last two weeks, as voters have gotten to know all the candidates better," says Siena pollster Steven Greenberg. "Hoffman remains the least known candidate. Nearly half of those who say they are voting for Hoffman don't know enough about him to have a favorable or unfavorable opinion of him."

"There is a big geographic split in the district, which stretches across more than 200 miles and parts of 11 counties," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland.

"According to the Siena poll, the Republican is ahead in the Watertown media market along the St. Lawrence river and the upper reaches of Lake Ontario. The Democrat has an advantage near the Vermont border and into the Albany media market. And the poll indicates that the third-party candidate may have the edge in the Syracuse media market at the western edge of the district."

The Siena College poll was conducted Sunday through Tuesday, with 617 likely voters in New York's 23rd congressional district questioned by telephone. The survey's sampling error is plus or minus 3.9 percentage points.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Again, how did the tea baggers miss 20 years of GOP fiscal irresponsibility?

We didn't have 20 years of GOP. As you pointed out, Clinton undid some of Reagan's bad policies

and we had peace, prosperity and a balanced budget for a while.

When Obama promised "change", the last thing people expected him to do was to double down

on Bush's most reckless and short-sighted policies.

Math first:

Gipper: 8, H.W.: 4, W: 8

8 + 4 + 8 = 20 years of fiscally irresponsible GOP administrations

No, people do not want Obama to double down on Bush's failed presidency. And I don't think he will. But you gotta give the man an opportunity rather than start beating down on him the day he wins the election. Hell, the folks that hang out at the tea bagging parties have criticized Obama before he even took office. Let's at least be honest here.