Regional Forums Moderator: Charles!

[*julez* 124]

Charles like any moderator will and can have their decisions reviewed by myself if need be. Trying hard to do the right thing but making a few mistakes along the learning curve is human. If there are problems with new positions I will evaluate that too. Like people have said, I admit Charles is certainly "out of the norm" with past choices but I see potential for many reasons that he can be helpful in the Regional Forums -- or I would not have asked him. There is always a risk when adding any new "abilities" to members however I think it is fair to "give a guy a chance" to do their job and go from there.

Will you consider appointing individual deputy mods for, say, the UK an RU forums, so those of us who enjoy posting in those fora don't have to be subject to Charles? Because, really, the UK forum is so tame it doesn't need him. And the RU forum has a long history of not getting along with Charles.

[SMOKE 1,426]

Sure, if he set an example.

give him a chance to.....we don't know what he is going to do from here on out.

[Ban Hammer 13,530]

I've seen him not only move threads inappropriately, but when I complained about it, he moved another thread out of spite.

false.

Are you really inviting me to dig that whole public discussion up Charles? You might want to quit while you're ahead.

He already did.

Fine.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.ph...=161738&hl=

ref post #20 - i did not move the thread in question, as already stated in that thread. also note that prior to this fiasco you brought to a boil about organizers, i was already noting on the threads i moved that it was moved by me.

although post #33 in that same thread you linked is rather interesting:

"I think Charles does an excellent job too. We all make mistakes, I don't hold a grudge."

Edited October 21, 2009 by charles!

[Chica Yeyé 41]

People, please, STOPPPP!! I am supposed to be working and y'all keep having a i1tchfest and I can't stop reading

[*julez* 124]

Sure, if he set an example.

give him a chance to.....we don't know what he is going to do from here on out.

Obviously, he's going to continue to argue with Mox, proving that he cannot stay calm in heated situations.

[SMOKE 1,426]

Sure, if he set an example.

give him a chance to.....we don't know what he is going to do from here on out.

Obviously, he's going to continue to argue with Mox, proving that he cannot stay calm in heated situations.

thats your POV - i don't see it as argueing...i see it as defending himself.

[mox 298]

ref post #20 - i did not move the thread in question, as already stated in that thread. also note that prior to this fiasco you brought to a boil about organizers, i was already noting on the threads i moved that it was moved by me.

You denied not moving the thread back to its rightful place. You didn't deny moving the thread in the first place. In fact, even after it took a moderator to return the thread to its rightful place, you still denied you had done anything wrong. Which is, you know, exactly what I look for in a moderator.

although post #33 in that same thread you linked is rather interesting:

"I think Charles does an excellent job too. We all make mistakes, I don't hold a grudge."

And since your irony meter is broken, it should just tell you that I wasn't griping just because it was you. But I will say that this was about the time that I really started to take notice of what the organizers were doing, and which organizers were the worst offenders.

And I don't hold a grudge Charles. I just don't think you're qualified. I've given concrete examples why this is true, which is more than your supporters have done.

Edited October 21, 2009 by mox

[Chica Yeyé 41]

Holy cow you guys. 22 pages dedicated to what will pass onto VJ history as one of the most vitriolic ####### slinging rounds. #######. Mommas all over must be proud. We don't have to agree with Ewok's choices for mods. Our opinions are of no consequence - I know that for a fact. I also know for a fact that mods can and are limited to moderate (better said, non-moderate) certain VJ members, and I would think something like this could be applied here.

If you want to dissent with charles or any other mod being appointed; that is fantastic. But keeping at the fneener neener you did this and you did that or 22 pages is moronic, plus it helps nothing. Nothing at all. Bring ahead proposals, make yourself available to the admin for moderating. Move on for crying out loud.

Signed, the OT Goon known as Len.

[Captain Ewok 1,900]

Guys/Gals let me be clear. I back Charles here and I would hope that everyone wishes him well in trying to be a good mod. If he stumbles (as we all do) when learning the ins and outs of the new role please be a little measured in giving him some rope. If you think he is bad (as many of you have voiced) then I can respect your opinion, but please base your opinions on his future actions as a mod.... not his past posts. Certainly if any new mod became the devil incarnate like many have implied, then I would step in . Also, like many people he has been on VJ a long time and I know that if someone took everything I have said over the course of 3-5 years I am sure they could find something bad. Charles was not a Deputy Mod for a LONG time and as such had no direction to act as one in the past.... I would not judge his future actions as a mod directly on past posts. I would instead judge his decisions and actions in the future as the measuring block. This goes for any new mod.

[Nagishkaw 510]

Holy cow you guys. 22 pages dedicated to what will pass onto VJ history as one of the most vitriolic ####### slinging rounds. #######. Mommas all over must be proud. We don't have to agree with Ewok's choices for mods. Our opinions are of no consequence - I know that for a fact. I also know for a fact that mods can and are limited to moderate (better said, non-moderate) certain VJ members, and I would think something like this could be applied here.

If you want to dissent with charles or any other mod being appointed; that is fantastic. But keeping at the fneener neener you did this and you did that or 22 pages is moronic, plus it helps nothing. Nothing at all. Bring ahead proposals, make yourself available to the admin for moderating. Move on for crying out loud.

Signed, the OT Goon known as Len.

I couldn't agree more.

[Welshcookie 17]

If you think he is bad (as many of you have voiced) then I can respect your opinion, but please base your opinions on his future actions as a mod.... not his past posts.

Exactly At least let the guy commit a mod crime before you all call for him to be hung drawn and quartered

[Kathryn41 3,205]

I think opinions have been fairly clearly expressed. Perhaps now, it is time, to agree to disagree? Continuing to barrage the thread with why you don't like this decision isn't going to change the decision. Let time show who is right and wrong, if that is what you need.

For those who are concerned about moderation in the Regional forums - perhaps you can view this appointment as added incentive for the members of those forums to ensure that their forums don't need a moderator's attention by not letting those forums get out of hand with personal attacks, stalking, baiting and insults. Those are the main reasons moderators get involved. If people are behaving themselves and not violating TOS, then there is no need for a moderator to step in, Charles or any of the other moderators. Think about it.

For those who are concerned about mis-behaviour in the Upper Forums, I suggest you might want to re-visit these forums as things have improved now that OT behaviour is being curtailed there. Yes, there are a lot of repeat questions asked but there are also a lot of new members joining every single day. It takes a while to find your way around VJ and while the information may be available, they haven't discovered it yet. VJ is an information exchange forum so is it really a problem when someone new to the site asks the question that has been asked many times before? The answer is new to them even if it isn't to you. Instead of staying away and complaining about how difficult it is to find information there (and if you have problems, think how it is for the newcomers,) why not join in and share the benefit of your information and experiences by answering some of those questions in a thoughtful and respectful manner? You can complain all you want, but here, too, you can be part of the solution if you are willing to exert yourselves.

For what it is worth (and yes, I know, that isn't very much for some of you ) I support Charles' appointment as the Regional Forums Deputy Moderator and fully expect he will take his responsibilities seriously and conscientiously. I am reading a lot of comments from others saying give him a chance to prove himself and I agree. It seems to be a vocal minority only who is shouting very loud in opposition - a minority that admits it has personal issues with the individual involved - and who is not willing to accept this decision.

Edited October 21, 2009 by Kathryn41

[mox 298]

Guys/Gals let me be clear. I back Charles here and I would hope that everyone wishes him well in trying to be a good mod. If he stumbles (as we all do) when learning the ins and outs of the new role please be a little measured in giving him some rope. If you think he is bad (as many of you have voiced) then I can respect your opinion, but please base your opinions on his future actions as a mod.... not his past posts. Certainly if any new mod became the devil incarnate like many have implied, then I would step in . Also, like many people he has been on VJ a long time and I know that if someone took everything I have said over the course of 3-5 years I am sure they could find something bad. Charles was not a Deputy Mod for a LONG time and as such had no direction to act as one in the past.... I would not judge his future actions as a mod directly on past posts. I would instead judge his decisions and actions in the future as the measuring block. This goes for any new mod.

So the criteria for moderators has changed. Because here's what it used to be:

I think it was said well enough above, but basically we try to plan ahead and get enough well rounded, respected, and level headed people that have been members at least "a while" and have continued to demonstrate these things. I also often consult with the mods and other senior members that have been here a while (and that I value and trust a lot -- tips hat to the many people here that have been a great help over the years).

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[mox 298]

I think opinions have been fairly clearly expressed. Perhaps now, it is time, to agree to disagree? Continuing to barrage the thread with why you don't like this decision isn't going to change the decision. Let time show who is right and wrong, if that is what you need.

For those who are concerned about moderation in the Regional forums - perhaps you can view this appointment as added incentive for the members of those forums to ensure that their forums don't need a moderator's attention by not letting those forums get out of hand with personal attacks, stalking, baiting and insults. Those are the main reasons moderators get involved. If people are behaving themselves and not violating TOS, then there is no need for a moderator to step in, Charles or any of the other moderators. Think about it.

And if you're not doing anything illegal in your house, then you shouldn't have a problem with the police searching it without a warrant.

Pff.

Fine. I'm done.

So let me pick up a ball that Julez has mentioned, which is to appoint regional moderators for specific regional sub-forums. Let the regionals govern themselves. Give Canada or the UK or whatever forum he haunts to Charles. Appoint respected members from each regional to be in charge of each sub-forum. For RU, I nominate Slim.

What do you say Ewok?

[Kathryn41 3,205]

Let it go, Mox. Your vote is recorded as 'does not approve'.