Arpaio to ICE: Come and get me

[Heracles 417]

Statistics 101: Correlation does not prove causation

There are many reasons why a particular minority group might be over represented in arrests, which have nothing to do with race or immigration status.

But of course, considering that, would weaken your point. So you ignore it and look stupid and keep hammering the point that you really can't prove in hope that someone might believe you.

Dan what is your point? The police are not there to figure out causation. They are there to serve and protect the citizens of America.

Quite frankly I don't give a ####### about their reasons as they don't give a ####### about others. Hence, them entering a country illegally in the first place. Hispanics make up the majority of illegal aliens. Hence why they are targeted.

[The_Dude 1,142]

Statistics 101: Correlation does not prove causation

There are many reasons why a particular minority group might be over represented in arrests, which have nothing to do with race or immigration status.

But of course, considering that, would weaken your point. So you ignore it and look stupid and keep hammering the point that you really can't prove in hope that someone might believe you.

Dan what is your point? The police are not there to figure out causation. They are there to serve and protect the citizens of America.

Quite frankly I don't give a ####### about their reasons as they don't give a ####### about others. Hence, them entering a country illegally in the first place. Hispanics make up the majority of illegal aliens. Hence why they are targeted.

I think his point was that your fabricated statistics are bogus

[Heracles 417]

While the US goes bankrupt and American children face drastic cutbacks to their education.

Children of illegal immigrants cost public schools $28.6 billion annually,(75) and 70 percent of the increase in enrollment in public schools from 1991 to 2001 is due to immigration.(76)

Whether they have immigrated legally or not, Hispanic students often cost more to educate because of language difficulties. In Arizona, for example, it costs $1,200 more each year to teach a student with limited English.(77) For the 2005-06 school year, Texas appropriated more than a billion dollars for language education, which constituted 3.5 percent of its total budget.(78) For fiscal year 2006, the federal government, which pays only a small fraction of local school expenses, spent $669 million on English teaching.(79)

http://www.amren.com/features/hispanics/index.html
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Major Findings

Income and Wealth
* Per capita income of Hispanics is one half that of non-Hispanic whites, and household net worth is less than one tenth.
* Fifty percent of Hispanic households use some form of welfare, the highest rate of any major population group.

Crime
* Hispanics are 3.3 times more likely to be in prison than whites; they are 4.2 times more likely to be in prison for murder, and 5.8 times more likely to be in prison for felony drug crimes.
* Young Hispanics are 19 times more likely than young whites (and slightly more likely than young blacks) to be in youth gangs.

Education
* Hispanics drop out of high school at three times the white rate and twice the black rate.
* Even third-generation Hispanics drop out of school at a higher rate than blacks and are less likely to be college graduates.
* From 1992 to 2003, Hispanic illiteracy in English rose from 35 percent to 44 percent.
* The average Hispanic 12th-grader reads and does math at the level of the average white 8th-grader.

Families and Health
* At 43 percent, the Hispanic illegitimacy rate is twice the white rate, and Hispanic women have abortions at 2.7 times the white rate.
* Hispanics are three times more likely than whites not to have medical insurance, and die from AIDS and tuberculosis at three times the white rate. (which due to strict quarantine and immigration has been eradicated in AUS, as has rabies)
* In California, the cost of free medical care for illegal aliens forced 60 hospitals to close between 1993 and 2003.

Attitudes
* Only 33 percent of citizens of Hispanic origin consider themselves “Americans” first. The rest consider themselves either “Hispanic/Latino” or their former nationality first. Edited October 20, 2009 by Booyah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Again the problem is not with the statistics but with the interpretations and conclusions that are drawn from them.

Trying to paint a simple picture of a complex set of interrelated problems is doomed to failure (not least when you're completely unaware of those problems).

[pedroh 21]

so what's your solution Booyah? all hispanics have to suck it up if they get detained because they are the majority of crime perpetrators?

[The_Dude 1,142]

While the US goes bankrupt and American children face drastic cutbacks to their education.

Children of illegal immigrants cost public schools $28.6 billion annually,(75) and 70 percent of the increase in enrollment in public schools from 1991 to 2001 is due to immigration.(76)

Whether they have immigrated legally or not, Hispanic students often cost more to educate because of language difficulties. In Arizona, for example, it costs $1,200 more each year to teach a student with limited English.(77) For the 2005-06 school year, Texas appropriated more than a billion dollars for language education, which constituted 3.5 percent of its total budget.(78) For fiscal year 2006, the federal government, which pays only a small fraction of local school expenses, spent $669 million on English teaching.(79)

http://www.amren.com/features/hispanics/index.html

Major Findings

Income and Wealth

* Per capita income of Hispanics is one half that of non-Hispanic whites, and household net worth is less than one tenth.

* Fifty percent of Hispanic households use some form of welfare, the highest rate of any major population group.

Crime

* Hispanics are 3.3 times more likely to be in prison than whites; they are 4.2 times more likely to be in prison for murder, and 5.8 times more likely to be in prison for felony drug crimes.

* Young Hispanics are 19 times more likely than young whites (and slightly more likely than young blacks) to be in youth gangs.

Education

* Hispanics drop out of high school at three times the white rate and twice the black rate.

* Even third-generation Hispanics drop out of school at a higher rate than blacks and are less likely to be college graduates.

* From 1992 to 2003, Hispanic illiteracy in English rose from 35 percent to 44 percent.

* The average Hispanic 12th-grader reads and does math at the level of the average white 8th-grader.

Families and Health

* At 43 percent, the Hispanic illegitimacy rate is twice the white rate, and Hispanic women have abortions at 2.7 times the white rate.

* Hispanics are three times more likely than whites not to have medical insurance, and die from AIDS and tuberculosis at three times the white rate. (which due to strict quarantine and immigration has been eradicated in AUS as has rabies)

* In California, the cost of free medical care for illegal aliens forced 60 hospitals to close between 1993 and 2003.

Attitudes

* Only 33 percent of citizens of Hispanic origin consider themselves “Americans” first. The rest consider themselves either “Hispanic/Latino” or their former nationality first.

American Renaissance magazine? Seriously? I figured you would be an avid reader of this publication, it does cater to the paranoid xenophobe afraid that the brown man is going to take over, but come on, don't cite that slanted ####### as news.

[Heracles 417]

so what's your solution Booyah? all hispanics have to suck it up if they get detained because they are the majority of crime perpetrators?

No! Do everything you can to stamp out illegal immigration completely and start assisting those that are legally here. The country cannot pick one or the other.

Mandatory E-verify + $20K fines for the employer (per offense) will fix the immigration side. Not to mention, a stern warning to anyone who comes back without a legal visa that they will go to prison and be permanently banned. Any employer fined for a third time goes to jail for treason against the American people.

American Renaissance magazine? Seriously? I figured you would be an avid reader of this publication, it does cater to the paranoid xenophobe afraid that the brown man is going to take over, but come on, don't cite that slanted ####### as news.

I don't care if that is David duke. Can you refute these findings? Typical left wing attack the messenger rather than the facts.

PS You did just prove my earlier point.

Edited October 20, 2009 by Booyah!

[The_Dude 1,142]

so what's your solution Booyah? all hispanics have to suck it up if they get detained because they are the majority of crime perpetrators?

No! Do everything you can to stamp out illegal immigration completely and start assisting those that are legally here. The country cannot pick one or the other.

Mandatory E-verify + $20K fines for the employer will fix that. Not to mention, a stern warning to anyone who comes back without a legal visa that they will go to prison and be permantely banned.

American Renaissance magazine? Seriously? I figured you would be an avid reader of this publication, it does cater to the paranoid xenophobe afraid that the brown man is going to take over, but come on, don't cite that slanted ####### as news.

I don't care if that is David duke. Can you refute these findings?

PS You did just prove my earlier point.

What point in particular did I prove? Sorry, I have neither the time nor the inclination to research that for you.

[Heracles 417]

What point in particular did I prove? Sorry, I have neither the time nor the inclination to research that for you.

So then shut your bloody mouth.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

so what's your solution Booyah? all hispanics have to suck it up if they get detained because they are the majority of crime perpetrators?

Yes.

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so what's your solution Booyah? all hispanics have to suck it up if they get detained because they are the majority of crime perpetrators?

Yes.

Gotta show people of color their place, you know. Can't have them thinkin' they as good as whitey.

[The_Dude 1,142]

What point in particular did I prove? Sorry, I have neither the time nor the inclination to research that for you.

So then shut your bloody mouth.

I will when you quit pulling bullsh!t statistics out of your ####### and trying to pass it off as fact. Even your citation there is faulty. I would try to go to the website you linked to look at where they derived their raw data from, but my employers have deemed it hate and racist material and have seen fit to block it.

If you're going to make a point, do so with FACTS, not this #######, and certainly, not the made up fiction you seem to have a fondness for.

[pedroh 21]

well, either yes or no.. u want to prohibit gun sales to latinos.. but not picking on them?

make up your mind

so what's your solution Booyah? all hispanics have to suck it up if they get detained because they are the majority of crime perpetrators?

No! Do everything you can to stamp out illegal immigration completely and start assisting those that are legally here. The country cannot pick one or the other.

Mandatory E-verify + $20K fines for the employer (per offense) will fix the immigration side. Not to mention, a stern warning to anyone who comes back without a legal visa that they will go to prison and be permanently banned. Any employer fined for a third time goes to jail for treason against the American people.

American Renaissance magazine? Seriously? I figured you would be an avid reader of this publication, it does cater to the paranoid xenophobe afraid that the brown man is going to take over, but come on, don't cite that slanted ####### as news.

I don't care if that is David duke. Can you refute these findings? Typical left wing attack the messenger rather than the facts.

PS You did just prove my earlier point.

[Heracles 417]

well, either yes or no.. u want to prohibit gun sales to latinos.. but not picking on them?

make up your mind

I didn't realize I wrote that anywhere in this thread

[Ban Hammer 13,676]

he's targeting everybody who looks like a latino, and then ask questions later.. that, right there is a violation..

Do you have proof of that? That seems to be the norm excuse in our area too, "they only targeted me because I am Hispanic".

and arpaio is hated by so many because he's white.

now there's a level headed response.

i see i snuck one under your sarcasm radar.