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thank you, you said it for me.. we know who Arpaio is targeting.. and it's not fair for all hispanics to be treated like probable suspects, do u wanna rather put a sign on our clothes? or a barcode to identify the legal hispanics? from hte illegal ones? would you be willing to be stopped all the time, if it were your ethnic group the one targeted?

Maybe Arpaio should target Australians or Japanese since they are apparently big offenders too. :unsure: Lebanese commit a large portion of crimes in Aus so yes they are targeted. If they don't like it, they know where the the closest airport is. The police are not targeting them because of their skin color or race but because of their actions.

But anyway, do you have a problem with mandatory e-verify for employment and all government services? Yes for everyone. As well as $20K fines (per offense) for any business and their manager that employees illegal immigrants and does not carry out the proper checks.

oh wow, thanks for letting me know how biased your country is towards minorities.. certainly makes me want to visit Australia even more..

as for e-verify, no, make e-verify mandatory... if you target the source, there won't be people coming here anymore

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tu eres mi vitamina del pecho mi fibra

tu eres todo lo que me equilibra,

un balance, lo que me conplementa

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Living in AZ and going through this immigration stuff is what hurts the most. What sheriff Joe is dong (and what news doesn't say) is that he is rounding up possible illegals who fail to produce any form of ID. I think what he is doing is good.

Some people are falsely making it out like some sort of witch hunt.

Magistrate in our county said 70% of the people they charge with a misdemeanor or felony are Hispanic. Yet they only make up 6% of the population.

As someone who claims to have such a high level of education you should know that is a faulty conclusion to make. Your bias is glaring.

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oh wow, thanks for letting me know how biased your country is towards minorities.. certainly makes me want to visit Australia even more..

as for e-verify, no, make e-verify mandatory... if you target the source, there won't be people coming here anymore

The word minorities has no meaning there, hence being a 'minority'. We don't run Australia to cater for the few. Rather than black this or Hispanic that, everyone is treated fairly and recognized equally. Hence, who the United Nations ranked second in the world, with immigration being an important aspect of it. Case closed.

Target the source? I have two problems with that. Why is Mexico Americas problem? Second of all, America already does target the source, it's called NAFTA. It's called having every second thing made in China or Mexico. What else do you want 'America' to do? teach Mexicans how to invest or remove the corruption that is rife throughout South America? Sorry tried that and were accused of being imperialist and pushing their views and ideology on others.

Second problem I have is why do Mexicans and Northern South Americans deserve priority over any other person in this world? Why should they be allowed to force their way into a country and take up a spot that could be equally and fairly available to someone else? Don't people from Cambodia, Philippines, Albania, Ukraine, Russia, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Syria, Africa or even Chile and Argentina deserve the same chance? Or should those from Mexico, Guatemala, Dominican republic etc just come as they see fit? Now that is racist.

Magistrate in our county said 70% of the people they charge with a misdemeanor or felony are Hispanic. Yet they only make up 6% of the population.

As someone who claims to have such a high level of education you should know that is a faulty conclusion to make. Your bias is glaring.

You are joking right?

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According to the Internal Revenue Service, the 400 richest American households earned a total of $US138 billion, up from $US105 billion a year earlier. That's an average of $US345 million each, on which they paid a tax rate of just 16.6 per cent.

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I think in all the comments, one factor that was glossed over in the interview is the short statement by Gunslinger Joe about "section 287 G". The INTENT of this part of ICE's rules was to FOCUS ON HARDENED CRIMINALS or those who have been involved in more significant crimes. IT WAS NOT TO "round up illegals". We had a similar problem in Mecklenburg county here and the Sheriff's office just signed an agreement with the Feds that they will back off chasing illegal aliens and focus on the CRIMINALS. (They rounded up over 9000 in 2 years, but only a handful "qualified" for deportation under 287g)

So, Joe is "right" that he is arresting illegal aliens - but the ICE (at this point and under 287) is not interested in most of the people that Joe is rounding up (i.e., "plain" illegal aliens). They simply can't handle them all and quite rightly are trying to focus on the "problem" aliens first, but Joe doesn't see it that way. "Technically" he is correct as far as rounding up those "breaking the law", but he is NOT correct as far as his behavior under 287G is concerned.

We are going through much the same here, but much less high profile without a Gunslinger Joe.

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If the idiots running the federal government spent as much energy actually detering illegal immigration rather than detering any effort to detering illegal immigration...maybe there wouldn't already be 20 million illegal aliens running amok in the USA.

And, I'm sure this Sheriff's is any better. Sacrifice our own freedoms for a small cause.

I don't feel any less free than I ever have. The 20 million illegal aliens (and their cheerleaders) are much more of a problem than the sheriff ever will be. The sheriff was elected by the people. The illegal aliens are a burden imposed on the people.

this sherrif is just doing the job that osama forbid the federal government from doing, rounding up illegals who commit the crimes Americans refuse to.

send them home, joe.

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It is people like you that help further this problem with illegal immigration, you try to twist it and spin it that it is discrimination or some other race baiting card which it is not, it has all to do with breaking the law and then having the arrogance to act like it is the USA government, businesses and legal citizens fault for these illegal Mexicans coming into the USA. You just do not get it do you. :whistle:

thank you, you said it for me.. we know who Arpaio is targeting.. and it's not fair for all hispanics to be treated like probable suspects, do u wanna rather put a sign on our clothes? or a barcode to identify the legal hispanics? from hte illegal ones? would you be willing to be stopped all the time, if it were your ethnic group the one targeted?

Maybe Arpaio should target Australians or Japanese since they are apparently big offenders too. :unsure: Lebanese commit a large portion of crimes in Aus so yes they are targeted. If they don't like it, they know where the the closest airport is. The police are not targeting them because of their skin color or race but because of their actions.

But anyway, do you have a problem with mandatory e-verify for employment and all government services? Yes for everyone. As well as $20K fines (per offense) for any business and their manager that employees illegal immigrants and does not carry out the proper checks.

oh wow, thanks for letting me know how biased your country is towards minorities.. certainly makes me want to visit Australia even more..

as for e-verify, no, make e-verify mandatory... if you target the source, there won't be people coming here anymore

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Sheriff Joe. What a guy :rolleyes:

The Robin Hood of crypto-fascists, sadists and bullies everywhere.

Improper clearance of MCSO cases

New reports show that the county may be improperly clearing as many as 75% of cases without arrest or proper investigation. According to recent reports, the sheriff's office has failed to properly investigate serious crimes, such as the rape of a 14 year old girl by classmates, the rape of a 15 year old girl by two strangers, and the rape of a 13 year old girl by her father.[56][58] These cases were "exceptionally cleared" without investigation or even identifying a suspect in one case which are not in accordance with the FBI standards for exceptional clearance. The case of the 15 year old girl, the case was closed within one month and before DNA testing was even complete, the 13 year old's because her mother didn't want to "to pursue this investigation," and the 14 year old's because a suspect declined to come in for questioning. In a statement to ABC15, the Sheriff's Office claimed, "The Goldwater Institute’s report cites the FBI’s Uniform Code Reporting handbook, which is a voluntary crime-reporting program to compile statistical information and reports. The UCR is not intended for oversight on how law enforcement agencies clear cases...The Sheriff’s Office has its own criteria for clearing cases."

Decreasing effectiveness of law enforcement

The Arizona East Valley Tribune Pulitzer Prize-winning report on Arpaio and the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office suggests that the increasing focus on immigration has led to a decreasing efficacy of law enforcement for more serious crimes. The report suggests that response times have increased, arrest rates for non immigration crimes have dropped, and investigations have suffered as a result of the Sheriff's focus on immigration. Emergency response teams arrived too late for 2/3 of over 6,000 of the most serious cases and arrest rates for criminal investigations dropped from 10 percent in 2005 to 3.5 percent in 2006.[56] Other sources have also cited Arpaio's immigration focus as impacting crime in Maricopa County, and cite FBI statistics of about a 70% increase in violent crimes and a 166% increase in homicides from 2004 to 2007, much larger than FBI statistics for surrounding areas. The East Valley Tribune report also states that the number of cases cleared by exception increased 37% after Arpaio's immigration targeted policies.

Inmate conditions

Amnesty International has issued a report critical of the treatment of inmates in Maricopa County facilities. Local newspapers also have been critics.

Lawsuits

From 2004 through November 2007, Arpaio was the target of 2,150 lawsuits in U.S. District Court and hundreds more in Maricopa County courts; 50 times as many prison-conditions lawsuits as the New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, and Houston jail systems combined.

Arpaio is named in a class-action lawsuit, Hart v. Arpaio, brought by Phoenix attorney Debra Hill and the American Civil Liberties Union on behalf of jail inmates. The lawsuit centers on the treatment of pretrial detainees, who are legally innocent until proven guilty. The lawsuit claims that Arpaio is violating the constitutional rights of those detainees. The trial in the lawsuit began on August 12, 2008.

By mid-2007, more than $50 million in claims had been filed against the sheriff's office and Maricopa County.

[edit] Inmate deaths and injuries

Family members of inmates who have died or been injured in jail custody have filed lawsuits against the sheriff’s office. Maricopa County has paid more than $43 million in settlement claims during Arpaio's tenure.

[edit] Charles Agster

In August 2001, Charles Agster, a 33-year-old mentally handicapped man, died in the county jail three days after being forced by sheriff's officers into a restraint chair used for controlling combative arrestees. Agster's parents had been taking him to a psychiatric hospital because he was exhibiting paranoia, then called police when he refused to leave a convenience store where they had stopped enroute. Officers took Agster to the Madison Street jail, placed a "spit hood" over his face and strapped him to the chair, where he had an apparent seizure and lost consciousness. He was declared brain dead three days later. A medical examiner later concluded that Agster died of complications of methamphetamine intoxication. In a subsequent lawsuit, an attorney for the sheriff's office described the amount of methamphetamine in Agster's system as 17 times the known lethal dose. The lawsuit resulted in a $9 million jury verdict against the county, the sheriff's office, and Correctional Health Services.

[edit] Scott Norberg

One major controversy includes the 1996 death of inmate Scott Norberg, a former Brigham Young University football wide receiver, who died while in custody of the Sheriff's office. Norberg was arrested for assaulting a police officer in Mesa, Arizona, after neighbors in a residential area had reported a delirious man walking in their neighborhood. Arpaio's office repeatedly claimed Norberg was also high on methamphetamine, but a blood toxicology performed post-mortem was inconclusive. According to a toxological report, Norberg did have methamphetamine in his urine, though "there would be no direct effect caused by the methamphetamine on Norberg's behavior at the time of the incident". During his internment, evidence suggests detention officers shocked Norberg several times with a stun-gun. According to an investigation by Amnesty International, Norberg was already handcuffed and face down when officers dragged him from his cell and placed him in a restraint chair with a towel covering his face. After Norberg's corpse was discovered, detention officers accused Norberg of attacking them as they were trying to restrain him. The cause of his death, according to the Maricopa County medical examiner, was due to "positional asphyxia". Sheriff Arpaio investigated and subsequently cleared detention officers of any criminal wrongdoing.[72]

Norberg’s parents filed a lawsuit against Arpaio and his office. The lawsuit was settled for $8.25 million (USD).

Brian Crenshaw

Brian Crenshaw was a legally blind and mentally disabled inmate who suffered fatal injuries while being held in Maricopa County Jail for shoplifting. The injuries that led to his death were initially blamed on a fall from his bunk but were later discovered to have been the result of a brutal beating by jail guards on March 7, 2003. A lawsuit filed in the Maricopa County Superior Court of Arizona by the lawyer for Crenshaw's family stated:

An external examination report of the Maricopa County Medical Examiners Office concluded that Brian's death was caused by "complications of blunt force trauma due to a fall." This conclusion was reached largely on the [Maricopa County Sheriffs Office]'s relation of their "history" of Brian's injuries to the Medical Examiner's Office; a history that included the MCSO's implausable story that all of Brian's injuries were caused by a fall from his cell bed. The Maricopa County Medical Examiner conducted no autopsy; nor was the Maricopa County Medical Examiner informed by MCSO or [the Correctional Health Services] about Brian's beating on March 7, 2003 and/or related events. An independent autopsy report later narrowed the cause of Brian's death to peritonitis and sepsis secondary to the duodenal perforation. A fall from Brian's 4-foot, 2 inch bunk could not have simultaneously caused a broken neck, broken toes, and a duodenal perforation.

The lawsuit against Arpaio and his office resulted in an award of $2 million. As in the Scott Norberg case, it was alleged that Arpaio's office destroyed evidence in the case. In the Crenshaw case, the attorney who represented the case before a jury alleged digital video evidence was destroyed.

Richard Post

Richard Post was a paraplegic inmate arrested in 1996 for possession of marijuana and criminal trespass. Post was placed in a restraint chair by guards and his neck was broken in the process. The event, caught on video, shows guards smiling and laughing while Post is being injured. Because of his injuries, Post has lost much of the use of his arms. Post settled his claims against the Sheriff's office for $800,000.

Jeremy Flanders

In 1996, Jeremy Flanders was attacked by inmates at Tent City who used rebar tent stakes, which were not concreted into the ground. Although these stakes had been used as weapons in a previous riot at the facility, the Sheriff's office chose not to secure them properly. During the trial, the plaintiff "presented evidence that, among other things, the Sheriff and his deputies had actual knowledge that prisoners used rebar tent stakes and tent poles as weapons and did nothing to prevent it." Furthermore, "the Sheriff admitted knowing about, and in fact intentionally designing, some conditions at Tent City that created a substantial risk of inmate violence." After the attack: "another inmate entered the tent and found Flanders unconscious, gasping for air, and spewing blood out of his mouth, nose and ears. Flanders had been bloodied and beaten so badly that the other inmate initially did not recognize Flanders." Flanders suffered permanent brain damage as a result of the attack. On appeal, Flanders was awarded $635,532, of which Arpaio was personally responsible for thirty-five percent.

Ambria Renee Spencer

In 2006, inmate Ambrett Spencer, who was incarcerated for drunk driving and was nine months pregnant with a girl, complained of severe stomach pains and asked for medical attention. The infirmary nurse, who had no prenatal training, believed the pain was not an emergency. It was two hours before an ambulance was called for Spencer, who in the meantime had passed out from severely low blood pressure and lost so much color that the EMT who arrived at the scene said he knew she was "not getting enough blood to [her] organs and skin." At the hospital—four hours after first reporting pain—Spencer gave birth to a dead daughter, Ambria Renee. It was determined that Spencer's pain had been caused by placental abruption, internal bleeding resulting in loss of blood to the baby.

Ambrett Spencer has filed a lawsuit against Maricopa County, which as of November 2008 has not yet gone to trial. The county claims that the ambulance service is at fault for not transporting Spencer to the hospital fast enough.

Other female inmates have had miscarriages while incarcerated in Arpaio's jail and have reported physical abuse or neglect which they believe contributed to the loss of their pregnancies.

Jose Rodriguez

On March 26, 1996, Jose Rodriquez, 39, died in a pool of his own vomit on a jail floor. His cries for help went ignored by Arpaio's jail employees. Rodriguez's dehydration, fever and twitching ultimately led to his death, even while inmates shouted for help.

Phillip Wilson

In 2003, Phillip Wilson was serving two months in Tent City for a nonviolent offense. Wilson was attacked by the Aryan Brotherhood prison gang and bludgeoned into a coma. He never recovered.

Deborah Braillard

Deborah Braillard, 46, was documented as a diabetic in the jail's health records. Her cellmates say a nurse did not give Braillard insulin, and then detention officers ignored her when she went into diabetic shock. Braillard died on January 23, 2005, ultimately from lack of insulin.

Clint Yarbrough

In December 2005, Clint Yarbrough suffocated in a jail restraint chair. On April 18, 2007, the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors approved an undisclosed settlement payout to Yarbrough's family in excess of $1 million.

Thomas Bruce Cooley

Months before Thomas Bruce Cooley, 44, was found hanging by the bed sheets in his jail cell, a federal inspector had warned Arpaio that the jail psych ward was a suicide waiting to happen. A 1996 Department of Justice report specifically cautioned that inmates could use "overhanging structures" to hang themselves. Three more inmates died in the same way as Thomas Cooley while in Arpaio's custody: Kevin Holschlag, Michael Sanderson, and Juan Vasquez.

Icelandic extradition refusal

An Icelandic court in 1997 refused to extradite Connie and Donald Hanes to Maricopa County after hearing evidence about the county jail.

Enforcement acts of deputies and posse

Blocking civilian access to law enforcement databases

On August 13, 2009, deputies took control of a computer system linked to sensitive criminal justice databases by forcefully changing its password to prevent civilians from accessing the data. Two days later, a Maricopa County judge ordered the Sheriff's Office to divulge the password, threatening to hold Chief Deputy David Hendershott in contempt of court if he did not comply. Hendershott said he was prevented from sharing the password by federal law. Federal and state laws require that access to the National Crime Information Center (NCIC) and similar Arizona databases be managed by a criminal justice agency. Hendershott said the Sheriff's Office is conducting a criminal investigation into suspected mismanagement of the system by court and other county personnel.

He said the investigation targets Superior Court presiding Judge Barbara Mundell, County Manager Smith and other county personnel, but he did not provide details on the investigation."

On August 17, Hendershott agreed to provide the new password to avoid contempt charges.

Botched raid

In 2004, the Maricopa County Sheriff's Office SWAT team led a raid on an Ahwatukee home in a gated subdivision, looking for illegal weapons. No illegal weapons were found, but during the raid, the house burned down, SWAT officers forced a dog back into the building where it subsequently died, and an armored vehicle rolled into a neighbor's parked car as a result of brake failure.

Prostitution sting

In an undercover sting operation in November, 2003, sheriff's deputies arrested over 70 people for prostitution and solicitation of prostitution. The officers arrested alleged prostitutes and their alleged customers in more than thirty homes and ten massage parlors in the Phoenix area. Records indicated that several of the officers and civilian posse members disrobed, fondled the breasts and genitals of the alleged prostitutes, and allowed their penises to be touched during the operation in the hopes of convincing the women they were not law enforcement officers. The Maricopa County Attorney's Office stated that the Sheriff's office had gone too far in allowing this behavior, and sixty of the cases were thrown out. Several of the customers in the case were prosecuted successfully.

Conflicts with local news media

Arrest of Phoenix New Times executives

In October 2007, Arpaio's deputies arrested Village Voice Media executives and Phoenix New Times editors Michael Lacey and Jim Larkin on charges of revealing grand jury secrets. In July 2004, the New Times had published Arpaio's home address in the context of a story about his real estate dealings, which the county attorney's office is investigating as a possible crime under Arizona state law. A special prosecutor served Village Voice Media with a subpoena ordering it to produce "all documents" related to the original real estate article, as well as "all Internet web site traffic information" to a number of articles that mentioned Arpaio. The prosecutor further ordered Village Voice Media to produce the IP addresses of all visitors to the Phoenix New Times website since January 1, 2004, as well as what websites those readers had been to prior to visiting. As an act of "civil disobedience," Lacey and Larkin published the contents of the subpoena on or around October 18, which resulted in their arrests the same day. On the following day, the county attorney dropped the case after declining to pursue charges against the two. The Attorney General's office has since been ordered to appear before Judge Ana Baca due to missing documentation - including the original grand jury subpoenas - in the case file for the investigation of the New Times publication.

On November 28, 2007, Judge Baca ruled that the subpoenas in this case were not validly issued. The special prosecutor filed the grand jury subpoenas without the consent of the grand jury. Baca's justification was a statute that had been clarified by case law and by subsequent legislation to bar such subpoena authority, unless certain reporting requirements are met. The prosecutor had not met those reporting requirements. In April, 2008, the New Times editors filed suit against Arpaio, County Attorney Andrew Thomas and Special Prosecutor Dennis Wilenchik, alleging negligence, conspiracy and racketeering, and State and U.S. constitutional violations of free speech rights, false imprisonment, retaliation by law enforcement and abuse of process.

Alleged harassment of New Times reporter

On June 11, 2008, Ray Stern, a reporter for the Phoenix New Times, was threatened with arrest after attempting to disrupt 2 deputies scanning documents into a laptop. The reporter claimed that the documents were public record and could therefore be viewed by anyone. However, at the time the documents were being used by deputies to make digital images. Stern called City Attorney Gary Verburg, who came down and instructed the deputies that Stern had the right to view the records. The deputies then threatened to simply arrest Stern on the spot. Later, a city "conflict resolution manager" walked up and laid down an Arizona law book. She pointed to the section of public records law that essentially says anyone can look at any public record during business hours. City Attorney Verburg told the deputies again that Stern had the right to look at any public record. Upon hearing that, the deputies warned Stern again that if he tried to look at the documents while they were using them, he would be arrested.

The events reported by the New Times are verified in a memo drafted by Maricopa County Sheriff's Office Commander James Miller. In this memo, Miller states that the deputies did threaten to arrest Stern if he touched any of the records they were working on, and that he (Miller) held one of the records out in front of Stern, saying "take it". Miller also reported that the situation escalated into a standoff with the Phoenix Police, when they warned him not to attempt to arrest Stern.

FOIA requests to mayor and other officials

In situations where government officials have been at odds with Arpaio, his office has used the Freedom of Information Act to make broad requests for records of their email and correspondence. The requests have been targeted against Arizona Attorney General Terry Goddard, Maricopa County Court Administrator Marcus Reinkensmeyer, and most recently, Phoenix Mayor Phil Gordon.

Starting in March, 2008, Gordon spoke out, in a number of high-profile speeches, against racial profiling by Arpaio. On April 24, Arpaio's deputies issued a public-records request seeking the mayor's e-mails, cell phone records, and meeting calendar, as well as e-mail correspondence for Phoenix Police Chief Jack Harris, City Manager Frank Fairbanks, and all of Gordon's administrative staff. The request covered every e-mail written by more than a dozen Phoenix staffers, from November to the date of the sheriff's demand.

Arrests of critics

At a December 17, 2008 meeting, four audience members at a County Board of Supervisors meeting were arrested for suspicion of disorderly conduct and trespassing, after they applauded an anti-Arpaio speaker.

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well, not that I ever trusted your reading skills.. but anyway... I'm not saying deporting illegal immigrants is racist.. nor that they shouldn't be deported.. my point is that the process of finding illegal immigrants violates civil rights of other people in the process, and, it's not only Arpaio's. There are cases where ICE rounds up people in their famous raids, because they happen to live in the same neighborhood and, oh, surprise surprise, happen to have a foreign name, which matches the characteristics of the illegal aliens..

those practices are discriminatory, biased, and do violate several laws.. ICE has already a couple of lawsuits because of that, you think Arpaio's dept has the money for it too? if he were targeting just illegal aliens, that would be fine, he could even be running his media show of pink jail jumpsuits and whatnot... but he targets everybody who looks, acts and talk like the group he's targeting, or, to be honest, he's targeting everybody who looks like a latino, and then ask questions later.. that, right there is a violation..

It is people like you that help further this problem with illegal immigration, you try to twist it and spin it that it is discrimination or some other race baiting card which it is not, it has all to do with breaking the law and then having the arrogance to act like it is the USA government, businesses and legal citizens fault for these illegal Mexicans coming into the USA. You just do not get it do you. :whistle:

thank you, you said it for me.. we know who Arpaio is targeting.. and it's not fair for all hispanics to be treated like probable suspects, do u wanna rather put a sign on our clothes? or a barcode to identify the legal hispanics? from hte illegal ones? would you be willing to be stopped all the time, if it were your ethnic group the one targeted?

Maybe Arpaio should target Australians or Japanese since they are apparently big offenders too. :unsure: Lebanese commit a large portion of crimes in Aus so yes they are targeted. If they don't like it, they know where the the closest airport is. The police are not targeting them because of their skin color or race but because of their actions.

But anyway, do you have a problem with mandatory e-verify for employment and all government services? Yes for everyone. As well as $20K fines (per offense) for any business and their manager that employees illegal immigrants and does not carry out the proper checks.

oh wow, thanks for letting me know how biased your country is towards minorities.. certainly makes me want to visit Australia even more..

as for e-verify, no, make e-verify mandatory... if you target the source, there won't be people coming here anymore

El Presidente of VJ

regalame una sonrisita con sabor a viento

tu eres mi vitamina del pecho mi fibra

tu eres todo lo que me equilibra,

un balance, lo que me conplementa

un masajito con sabor a menta,

Deutsch: Du machst das richtig

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exactly, pedro.

but you'll never convince the jackbooted right-wing thugs.

maybe i need to write it in bold :devil:

El Presidente of VJ

regalame una sonrisita con sabor a viento

tu eres mi vitamina del pecho mi fibra

tu eres todo lo que me equilibra,

un balance, lo que me conplementa

un masajito con sabor a menta,

Deutsch: Du machst das richtig

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Living in AZ and going through this immigration stuff is what hurts the most. What sheriff Joe is dong (and what news doesn't say) is that he is rounding up possible illegals who fail to produce any form of ID. I think what he is doing is good.

Some people are falsely making it out like some sort of witch hunt.

Magistrate in our county said 70% of the people they charge with a misdemeanor or felony are Hispanic. Yet they only make up 6% of the population.

Now can you cite these statistics, or is more of the same made up numbers that you pull out of your #######?

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he's targeting everybody who looks like a latino, and then ask questions later.. that, right there is a violation..

Do you have proof of that? That seems to be the norm excuse in our area too, "they only targeted me because I am Hispanic".

According to the Internal Revenue Service, the 400 richest American households earned a total of $US138 billion, up from $US105 billion a year earlier. That's an average of $US345 million each, on which they paid a tax rate of just 16.6 per cent.

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well, not that I ever trusted your reading skills.. but anyway... I'm not saying deporting illegal immigrants is racist.. nor that they shouldn't be deported.. my point is that the process of finding illegal immigrants violates civil rights of other people in the process, and, it's not only Arpaio's. There are cases where ICE rounds up people in their famous raids, because they happen to live in the same neighborhood and, oh, surprise surprise, happen to have a foreign name, which matches the characteristics of the illegal aliens..

those practices are discriminatory, biased, and do violate several laws.. ICE has already a couple of lawsuits because of that, you think Arpaio's dept has the money for it too? if he were targeting just illegal aliens, that would be fine, he could even be running his media show of pink jail jumpsuits and whatnot... but he targets everybody who looks, acts and talk like the group he's targeting, or, to be honest, he's targeting everybody who looks like a latino, and then ask questions later.. that, right there is a violation..

What else would you expect from a bunch of cowboys (and the clowns who put such people in office).

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Living in AZ and going through this immigration stuff is what hurts the most. What sheriff Joe is dong (and what news doesn't say) is that he is rounding up possible illegals who fail to produce any form of ID. I think what he is doing is good.

Some people are falsely making it out like some sort of witch hunt.

Magistrate in our county said 70% of the people they charge with a misdemeanor or felony are Hispanic. Yet they only make up 6% of the population.

Now can you cite these statistics, or is more of the same made up numbers that you pull out of your #######?

Well I asked the Magistrate personally. The 6% is obtainable by means of a simple Google search.

According to the Internal Revenue Service, the 400 richest American households earned a total of $US138 billion, up from $US105 billion a year earlier. That's an average of $US345 million each, on which they paid a tax rate of just 16.6 per cent.

 

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