Group asks police and military to lay down arms in response to orders deemed unlawful

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

READY TO REVOLT: Oath Keepers pledges to prevent dictatorship in United States

Depending on your perspective, the Oath Keepers are either strident defenders of liberty or dangerous peddlers of paranoia.

In the age of town halls, talk radio and tea parties, middle ground of opinion is hard to find.

Launched in March by Las Vegan Stewart Rhodes, Oath Keepers bills itself as a nonpartisan group of current and retired law enforcement and military personnel who vow to fulfill their oaths to the Constitution.

More specifically, the group's members, which number in the thousands, pledge to disobey orders they deem unlawful, including directives to disarm the American people and to blockade American cities. By refusing the latter order, the Oath Keepers hope to prevent cities from becoming "giant concentration camps," a scenario the 44-year-old Rhodes says he can envision happening in the coming years.

It's a Cold War-era nightmare vision with a major twist: The occupying forces in this imagined future are American, not Soviet.

"The whole point of Oath Keepers is to stop a dictatorship from ever happening here," Rhodes, a former Army paratrooper and Yale-trained lawyer, said in an interview with the Review-Journal. "My focus is on the guys with the guns, because they can't do it without them.

"We say if the American people decide it's time for a revolution, we'll fight with you."

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Oath Keepers is not preaching violence or government overthrow, Rhodes said. On the contrary, it is asking police and the military to lay down their arms in response to unlawful orders.

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The homeland security report added that "disgruntled military veterans" might be vulnerable to recruitment by right-wing extremist groups.

That warning was enough to make Rhodes feel paranoid.

"They're accusing anybody who opposes Obama of being a racist or a potential terrorist," he said. "What they're saying is, 'We're coming after you.'"

The motto of Oath Keepers: "Not on our watch!"

The message Rhodes hears from the government: We're watching you.

Las Vegas police Lt. Kevin McMahill said his department's homeland security bureau isn't overly concerned with Oath Keepers at this point, even though Rhodes says several active-duty Las Vegas officers are members of the group.

"I wouldn't classify Oath Keepers as no threat at all, but I wouldn't classify them as a threat either," McMahill said. "There's always a chance an individual can step outside the boundaries of what an organization stands for and do something wrong."

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http://www.lvrj.com/news/oath-keepers-pled...s-64690232.html

[pedroh 21]

so domestic terrorism is now called 'fighting a new revolution'? just because someone told them Comrade Obama was a non-us illegitimate president wanted to become a Socialist Nazi dictator

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Separatism on part of the backward minded cultural primitives who call themselves 'conservatives' should be welcomed.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Oath Keepers are either strident defenders of liberty or dangerous peddlers of paranoia.

I'll go with the latter.

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Oath Keepers are either strident defenders of liberty or dangerous peddlers of paranoia.

I'll go with the latter.

[Pooky 3,786]

"I wouldn't classify Oath Keepers as no threat at all, but I wouldn't classify them as a threat either," McMahill said.

Las Vegas police lieutenant say "Huuuuuuuuuh?"

[Dan J 277]

Where were these guys 8 years ago?

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Where were these guys 8 years ago?

In the White House, working for one of their own

[Dan J 277]

Where were these guys 8 years ago?

In the White House, working for one of their own

These kinds of groups might get more respect if they were less selective in their outrage. Willing to criticize government for abuses in power no matter what party is in control. But they just end up looking like opportunists willing to champaign principals of democracy for partisan gains.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Where were these guys 8 years ago?

Rhodes, a former firearms instructor, said he easily could have started Oath Keepers during the Bush administration, but his focus during those years was first on getting his law degree and then volunteering on the 2008 presidential campaign of Texas Congressman Ron Paul, a libertarian Republican in whose office Rhodes worked during the 1990s.

Seems he found a new sense of urgency in 2009 for some reason.

I just noticed he supported the other senile old fart's run for president, so I would question Rhodes ability to grasp reality.

[Ban Hammer 13,348]

Where were these guys 8 years ago?

In the White House, working for one of their own

These kinds of groups might get more respect if they were less selective in their outrage. Willing to criticize government for abuses in power no matter what party is in control. But they just end up looking like opportunists willing to champaign principals of democracy for partisan gains.

yeah, where were they during katrina!

http://www.redcounty.com/riverside/2008/07...tory-of-gun-co/

[alienlovechild 75]

Oath Keepers are either strident defenders of liberty or dangerous peddlers of paranoia.

I'll go with the latter.

You ought to know your paranoia after peddling it yesterday about Congress going after CAIR.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

Where were these guys 8 years ago?

In the White House, working for one of their own

These kinds of groups might get more respect if they were less selective in their outrage. Willing to criticize government for abuses in power no matter what party is in control. But they just end up looking like opportunists willing to champaign principals of democracy for partisan gains.

yeah, where were they during katrina!

http://www.redcounty.com/riverside/2008/07...tory-of-gun-co/

Obama made Bush do it.

[Danno 1,228]

Where were these guys 8 years ago?

4- 8 years ago these groups in one form or another were around but... Bush was in the White House... which means giving coverage to these stories did not fit the "template".

The media has a "story template" (repetitive coverage of news angles) for each president, it takes an awful lot to break the template.

A media Template for Obama is "Crazy right-wing groups or racist" and their reaction to him.

A media Template for Bush was, Casualty Numbers, Gitmo, Declining poll numbers.

Even Para military groups were Boring under Bush... yet a media fixation under Clinton.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Oath Keepers are either strident defenders of liberty or dangerous peddlers of paranoia.

I'll go with the latter.

You ought to know your paranoia after peddling it yesterday about Congress going after CAIR.

Firstly, Congress isn't going after CAIR, my friend. Some Republican retards think that Congress should. They're the one's peddling paranoia, I've merely posted the story here. But you like to turn things upside down to try and make a point. Ain't working, bud.

You know, I'd take these fcuktard Republicans - one of them actually a co-sponsor of HR 1503 (the birther bill) - more seriously if they had called for an investigation into AIPAC following the actual conviction of a Defense Department Analyst for passing along to AIPAC lobbyists classified military information - an offense under the Espionage Act. But they were quite silent then because actual espionage is not as concerning as lobbying.