Poll: Mexicans Say Amnesty Would Increase Illegal Immigration

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Poll: Mexicans Say Amnesty Would Increase Illegal Immigration.

Mexicans also Feel Mexican-Americans Should Be Loyal to Mexico

http://www.reuters.com/article/pressReleas...009+PRN20091014

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

[alienlovechild 75]

The Mexicans here now are but the tip of the iceberg. Much are been said about this but the migration in peacetime from Latin Americans to the U.S. only since the early 1980s is of historic proportions. My wife was surprised by how many Hispanics live in our area.

[Heracles 417]

The Mexicans here now are but the tip of the iceberg. Much are been said about this but the migration in peacetime from Latin Americans to the U.S. only since the early 1980s is of historic proportions. My wife was surprised by how many Hispanics live in our area.

Hey "we cannot judge remember". I am stilling waiting for someone to tell me what visa all of these Hispanics entered on, since I cannot assume they are illegal.

Edited October 17, 2009 by Booyah!

[peejay 327]

The Mexicans here now are but the tip of the iceberg. Much are been said about this but the migration in peacetime from Latin Americans to the U.S. only since the early 1980s is of historic proportions. My wife was surprised by how many Hispanics live in our area.

I dare say a lot of it is directly attributed to the first illegal alien amnesty of 1986 and the 6 amnesties after that that added plenty of fuel for the inevitable chain migration that followed. Amnestying the current 12 - 20 million illegal aliens along with the inevitable chain migration that would follow is total insanity on steroids. This is not immigration reform or even prudent immigration policy. It is more anarchy than anything else. It would be sheer stupidity on so many levels that one post couldn't cover it all.

Generous chain migration policy just magnifies the insanity. Amnesty really is just the tip of the iceberg.

Edited October 17, 2009 by peejay

[Heracles 417]

The Mexicans here now are but the tip of the iceberg. Much are been said about this but the migration in peacetime from Latin Americans to the U.S. only since the early 1980s is of historic proportions. My wife was surprised by how many Hispanics live in our area.

I dare say a lot of it is directly attributed to the first illegal alien amnesty of 1986 and the 6 amnesties after that that added plenty of fuel for the inevitable chain migration that followed. Amnestying the current 12 - 20 million illegal aliens along with the inevitable chain migration that would follow is total insanity on steroids. This is not immigration reform or even prudent immigration policy. It is more anarchy than anything else. It would be sheer stupidity on so many levels that one post couldn't cover it all.

A friend of mine who is a die-hard left wing union guy in Aus cannot believe America allows all of these illegals in the country and is now going to legalize them. He said it himself that it will kill the blue collar job market and lower wages. In fact, such strict immigration policies is why Australia has been able to maintain, to lower their unemployment rate to 5.7% in the worst economic crises since the great depression. Furthermore, maintain such a high wage for blue collar workers in the country.

Simple mathematics. When manufacturing is dying and millions of blue collar Americans are out of work, you cannot possibly fix this by adding 20 million illegal unskilled immigrants to the labor pool. That is lunacy. What are airlines doing to increase their airfares? Cutting back flights (equals less supply). Same thing needs to happen in the unskilled labor market. All 20 million illegal aliens need to be removed from jobs that Americans living out of their cars can and would be doing. Which in return, due to the demand, would increase their salaries.

Edited October 17, 2009 by Booyah!

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

When manufacturing is dying and millions of blue collar Americans are out of work, you cannot possibly fix this by adding 20 million illegal unskilled immigrants to the labor pool.

That depends on the goal. Those that run this country - the corporations - have gotten their "fix".

[alienlovechild 75]

Hey "we cannot judge remember". I am stilling waiting for someone to tell me what visa all of these Hispanics entered on, since I cannot assume they are illegal.

What's more interesting is the profile of Americans living in Mexico and Mexicans living in the U.S. Most of the American are retirees bringing their nest eggs and living in enclaves. The far more numerous Mexicans are young and raise families even larger than similar families on Mexico.

The Mexican government has a lot of demands on the U.S. concerning the treatment of Mexican citizens but still encourage the poor and disgrunted to head north but remain patriotic.

[Heracles 417]

When manufacturing is dying and millions of blue collar Americans are out of work, you cannot possibly fix this by adding 20 million illegal unskilled immigrants to the labor pool.

That depends on the goal. Those that run this country - the corporations - have gotten their "fix".

It’s not large businesses employing these guys. The majority of employers are small businesses that are saving on payroll tax, insurance, and wages. They have the incentive to do so. Common sense suggests that a $20k fine per offense would nip that in the butt and overnight.

The thought that at a time of crisis and high unemployment illegal aliens are the solution, is just lunacy.

[Heracles 417]

The Mexican government has a lot of demands on the U.S. concerning the treatment of Mexican citizens but still encourage the poor and disgrunted to head north but remain patriotic.

The Mexican government has the best deal ever. They do squat to assist their people but rather handball the burden to another country. Which in return these illegal aliens send billions back to Mexico. Billions that could be invested in America.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

When manufacturing is dying and millions of blue collar Americans are out of work, you cannot possibly fix this by adding 20 million illegal unskilled immigrants to the labor pool.

That depends on the goal. Those that run this country - the corporations - have gotten their "fix".

It’s not large businesses employing these guys. The majority of employers are small businesses that are saving on payroll tax, insurance, and wages. They have the incentive to do so. Common sense suggests that a $20k fine per offense would nip that in the butt and overnight.

The thought that at a time of crisis and high unemployment illegal aliens are the solution, is just lunacy.

The meat processing and packaging plants, the construction industry, the whole janitorial business, agriculture (not much left in terms of real small family farms) - there are real big business interests with solid funding behind this. The policies, including the amnesties, are all purchased. And it isn't the little guy with his small business purchasing this kind of stuff - they wouldn't recover the expense for decades.

[Heracles 417]

The meat processing and packaging plants, the construction industry, the whole janitorial business, agriculture (not much left in terms of real small family farms) - there are real big business interests with solid funding behind this. The policies, including the amnesties, are all purchased. And it isn't the little guy with his small business purchasing this kind of stuff - they wouldn't recover the expense for decades.

Jobs that could be going to Americans. I know of someone in every one of those industries that earns good $$$ back in Aus. If an employer cannot pay someone under the table, they will have to pay a legal resident legitimately. If it's a job that nobody will do, they will have to pay people more to do it. If it costs more to pay someone to do the work, they charge more for it. It's how the system works in every other developed country. It's why their living standard is so high.

Edited October 17, 2009 by Booyah!

[Danno 1,228]

What seems so odd is how people on the Right and the Left.. and middle are against it, yet it still has large support in Washington.

[peejay 327]

When manufacturing is dying and millions of blue collar Americans are out of work, you cannot possibly fix this by adding 20 million illegal unskilled immigrants to the labor pool.

That depends on the goal. Those that run this country - the corporations - have gotten their "fix".

It’s not large businesses employing these guys. The majority of employers are small businesses that are saving on payroll tax, insurance, and wages. They have the incentive to do so. Common sense suggests that a $20k fine per offense would nip that in the butt and overnight.

The thought that at a time of crisis and high unemployment illegal aliens are the solution, is just lunacy.

The meat processing and packaging plants, the construction industry, the whole janitorial business, agriculture (not much left in terms of real small family farms) - there are real big business interests with solid funding behind this. The policies, including the amnesties, are all purchased. And it isn't the little guy with his small business purchasing this kind of stuff - they wouldn't recover the expense for decades.

Oh...and if it wasn't just mean old rich people (Republicans) gaming the system for their own self serving interests I could buy that line of logic. But it is the Democrats that are most intent on illegal alien amnesty (with an undeserved path to US citizenship) and various reward based pandering to this same demographic with the anticipation that their political future is enhanced considerably with so many millions of grateful former illegal aliens (and their chain migration relatives) to vote for them.

On this subject I have no use for either political party. Clearly the best interests of the vast majority of the American people are not and have not been served by this lunacy. It only highlights the totally corrupt nature of the political classes and the cesspool of Washington DC politics.

[Heracles 417]

Oh...and if it wasn't just mean old rich people (Republicans) gaming the system for their own self serving interests I could buy that line of logic. But it is the Democrats that are most intent on illegal alien amnesty (with an undeserved path to US citizenship) and various reward based pandering to this same demographic with the anticipation that their political future is enhanced considerably with so many millions of grateful former illegal aliens (and their chain migration relatives) to vote for them.

The pro amnesty falsely assume they are doing humanity a favor by turning a blind eye to illegal immigration and making any serious concerns about it the impact on Americans as being anti-immigration. Many of these supporters are in white collar jobs and are not immediately or directly impacted by illegal aliens. However, this crises clearly illustrates that one way or another everyone is affected. Blue collar working Australia are doing well, with plenty of well paying jobs to go around for them. As a result, the country as a whole is also doing extremely well.

It's really not that hard to put two and two together.

Edited October 17, 2009 by Booyah!