SCHOOL -- 1957 vs. 2008

[Heracles 417]

oh ... nice try at an insult. I hope you aren't the best AUS has to offer ....

still the questions remain ... and you don't answer ....

Here are your questions:

your AUS recollection? or your northern VA never been to the surrendering grounds new yankee recollection?

how much more better ....

1957? or in your deflection?

what else is new?

Edited October 17, 2009 by Booyah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

what a load of nonsense about nonsense.

[HannahP 119]

Do you guys even talk to your parents? (Or maybe grandparents.)

[GabiandVi 34]

your AUS recollection?

or your northern VA never been to the surrendering grounds new yankee recollection?

As mentioned above, Aus is a totally different ball game. Even then, there is a significant change for the worse in the culture of the youth. Just nowhere near as bad as the US.

PS I have traveled (travel) all over the country. Part of the job

No offense to Australia, but this is because it has always been behind the US on these sorts of developments. Unless you learn from our mistakes, you will become worse than we are today, and from what I've read and heard about the PC culture in Australia, you are on the luge barreling down.

[GabiandVi 34]

As a teacher in a school district where just about EVERY child who is not in the lowest socio-economic class is in a private or parochial school, I speak from experience of working in a distilled version of the "social experiment." I'm the FIRST to say that many of the changes intended to "protect" students, etc., have done more harm to those very students as well as the entire school system than good, but I also have to say that the 2008 comparison is very exaggerated. The priniciples that the exaggerations are meant to highlight are accurate, however.

The lowest socio-economic class is not better off than it was several generations ago. In fact, in terms of the social divide, it is worse off. Socialists would claim that this is because of greedy capitalists, but that is not only intellectually dishonest, it is irresponsible. Meanwhile, as a result of political correctness and such attitudes the values that promote success in that class have been almost completely destroyed. It is criminal the way we have crippled our fellow citizens in this way. We have made them dependents. No wonder they are so angry.

OF COURSE we needed to make changes in various aspects of our culture. And I'm a supporter of "midnight basketball" and those sorts of programs. The mistake is in the "entitlement" mentality. Entitlements become the chain that enslaves.

The first step we need to take to begin to fix what is wrong with schools is to stop focusing so much on bad teachers (yes, they exist, but at this point in time their impact is negligible because other issues override any impact they can make positive or negative) and start focusing on the reason we, as the public, provide public education. It is not because "every child has a right to an education." It is because we need an educated populace. If we look at it this way, we would have to hold parents and students responsible for behavior that disrupts learning. Teachers would not have to worry so much about tap-dancing around behavior problems. They would be able to eject students who are getting in the way of the tax-payers' investment in an educated population. They would have more time to teach. When students are not performing because they are lazy or have a bad attitude, they could be threatened with ejection.

We would still need intervention programs and special education programs, but once we shifted our mission and our goal from protecting the individual's right to an education to protecting the tax-payer's right to an educated voting population and workforce, everything else would fall in line.

[Niels Bohr 72]

There are so many reasons why stuff in the 50s and the 90s+ needs to be different. Inter-racial social activities, etc...

Back in the 50s, it was mainly all white. Whitey this, whitey that...Those who favor time like those in the 50s can also probably considered racist and sexist. (Sorry Brokieyedgrl)

[natty bumppo 297]

oh ... nice try at an insult. I hope you aren't the best AUS has to offer ....

still the questions remain ... and you don't answer ....

Here are your questions:

....................

release and reset hook ....

Edited October 17, 2009 by Natty Bumppo

[brnidokiegurl 0]

There are so many reasons why stuff in the 50s and the 90s+ needs to be different. Inter-racial social activities, etc...

Back in the 50s, it was mainly all white. Whitey this, whitey that...Those who favor time like those in the 50s can also probably considered racist and sexist. (Sorry Brokieyedgrl)

Its ok i didnt write it ( ive always have many races as friends, now i cant help the fact i see men as slower ha) but its kinda true for my parents for that time, schools were seperated and my dad did rule with my mom staying home.

Kids back then found fun in playing outside and riding their bikes, now they sit in front of the tv playing games and getting fat....back then if you got in trouble in school you really got in trouble when u got home, now when you get home the parents turn it around and it becomes someone elses fault, (if the school or child even tell you) kids ate alot of soap, now its the parents (+tv and moves) they learn it from.

Kids skip today the parents have to pay a fine, most knew how to keep their butts from showing with their jeans, respect was respect.

Those kids from that era learned those ways then they became parents, some tried to continue with the rules of past but with the (new times) the next generation made changes, then the next made more changes until we have today. Fifty yeras from now they will look back and say the same looking at these times as better because of...(yet to be seen)

[Scott & Lai 12]

As a teacher in a school district where just about EVERY child who is not in the lowest socio-economic class is in a private or parochial school, I speak from experience of working in a distilled version of the "social experiment." I'm the FIRST to say that many of the changes intended to "protect" students, etc., have done more harm to those very students as well as the entire school system than good, but I also have to say that the 2008 comparison is very exaggerated. The priniciples that the exaggerations are meant to highlight are accurate, however.

The lowest socio-economic class is not better off than it was several generations ago. In fact, in terms of the social divide, it is worse off. Socialists would claim that this is because of greedy capitalists, but that is not only intellectually dishonest, it is irresponsible. Meanwhile, as a result of political correctness and such attitudes the values that promote success in that class have been almost completely destroyed. It is criminal the way we have crippled our fellow citizens in this way. We have made them dependents. No wonder they are so angry.

OF COURSE we needed to make changes in various aspects of our culture. And I'm a supporter of "midnight basketball" and those sorts of programs. The mistake is in the "entitlement" mentality. Entitlements become the chain that enslaves.

The first step we need to take to begin to fix what is wrong with schools is to stop focusing so much on bad teachers (yes, they exist, but at this point in time their impact is negligible because other issues override any impact they can make positive or negative) and start focusing on the reason we, as the public, provide public education. It is not because "every child has a right to an education." It is because we need an educated populace. If we look at it this way, we would have to hold parents and students responsible for behavior that disrupts learning. Teachers would not have to worry so much about tap-dancing around behavior problems. They would be able to eject students who are getting in the way of the tax-payers' investment in an educated population. They would have more time to teach. When students are not performing because they are lazy or have a bad attitude, they could be threatened with ejection.

We would still need intervention programs and special education programs, but once we shifted our mission and our goal from protecting the individual's right to an education to protecting the tax-payer's right to an educated voting population and workforce, everything else would fall in line.

[Cheryl & Medo 3]

Scenario:

Jack goes quail hunting before school,

pulls into school parking lot with shotgun in gun rack.

1957 - Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack's shotgun,

goes to his car and gets his shotgun to show Jack.

2007 - School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counsellors called in

for traumatized students and teachers.

Scenario:

Johnny and Mark get into a fistfight after school.

1957 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins.

Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies.

2007 - Police called, SWAT team arrives, arrests Johnny and Mark.

Charge them with assault, both expelled even though Johnny started it.

Scenario:

Jeffrey won't be still in class, disrupts other students.

1957 - Jeffrey sent to office and given a good paddling by the Principal.

Returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.

2007 - Jeffrey given huge doses of Ritalin. Becomes a zombie.

Tested for ADD. School gets extra money from state

because Jeffrey has a disability.

Scenario:

Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car

and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.

1957 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal,

goes to college, and becomes a successful businessman.

2007 - Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse.

Billy removed to foster care and joins a gang.

State psychologist tells Billy's sister that she remembers

being abused herself and their dad goes to prison.

Billy's mom has affair with psychologist.

Scenario:

Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school.

1957 - Mark shares aspirin with Principal out on the smoking dock.

2007 - Police called, Mark expelle d from school for drug violations.

Car searched for drugs and weapons.

Scenario:

Pedro fails high school English.

1957 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English and goes to college.

2007 - Pedro's cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist.

ACLU files class action lawsuit against state school system and Pedro's English teacher. English banned from core curriculum.

Pedro given diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.

Scenario:

Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from 4th of July,

puts them in a model airplane paint bottle, blows up a red ant bed.

1957 - Ants die.

2007- BATF, Homeland Security, FBI called.

Johnny charged with domestic terrorism, FBI investigates parents,

siblings removed from home, computers confiscated, Johnny's Dad goes on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.

Scenario:

Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee.

He is found crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary hugs him to comfort him.

1957 - In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing.

2007 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces 3 years in State Prison. Johnny undergoes 5 years of therapy.

This should hit every e-mail

to show how stupid we have become!

Think about it!

[AlHayatZween 2]

The first step we need to take to begin to fix what is wrong with schools is to stop focusing so much on bad teachers (yes, they exist, but at this point in time their impact is negligible because other issues override any impact they can make positive or negative) and start focusing on the reason we, as the public, provide public education. It is not because "every child has a right to an education." It is because we need an educated populace. If we look at it this way, we would have to hold parents and students responsible for behavior that disrupts learning. Teachers would not have to worry so much about tap-dancing around behavior problems.