i-864A, confusing time for me!

[Free Jerusalem 0]

^^^ I never needed one either, but in reading the I-864 and I-864A instructions I understood that the latter is to be used only if the person who fills out the former does not have enough income to qualify. So if the consulate is asking FJ to get an I-864A from the spouse of whoever filled out the I-864 and is her joint sponsor, it leads me to think that the joint-sponsor's income is insufficient.

FreeJerusalem, without giving details, but are you sure that your joint sponsor's income is sufficient and is 125% the poverty guidelines for the size of his household + your husband. For example if the joint sponsor's household is 4 people - husband, wife and 2 kids - then his income would need to be 125% above the poverty guideline of $25,790 (poverty level for 5 people)...so an income of $32,238 would be needed.

omg, i am so stressed and freaking out right now. does this mean that since his wife does not work, it can affect us getting a visa??

it is him, his wife and they have 5 kids... ages 7-1. so they are 7 and my husband ... 8 people. how much would he need to make then?

Edited October 15, 2009 by Free Jerusalem

[Free Jerusalem 0]

So... The Jerusalem consulate decided to contact me but ignored all my other emails and fax. Instead in the email i received from them it said:

"Kindly send an i-846A to include spouses income for (name of the person who helped us with our affidavit of support) joint sponsorship."

For the record, I did not make an error, i know the form is an I-864A but they must have mistaken in their e-mail.

My question is, when i downloaded the I-864A and sent it to the person who is supposed to fill it out, we were both confused on how to fill it out. http://www.uscis.gov/files/form/I-864A.pdf here is a copy of it. The spouse of the guy who helped us is not working, she is a house wife and files her tax jointly with her husband, so under the income question on number 9, there is no option of what she is currently employed as. should she just write it on the top of question 9 or on a separate sheet of paper that she is a house wife?

also, on number 10 where it asks what her current individual annual income is, what should she put there? $0 since she is not working?

I have a copy of their 2009 federal income tax return, so for question 11 on the "most recent total income" is she supposed to use her husband number of total income?!?? or put zero?

Thank you guys... sorry for all the question but i am so confused and worried sick. I just want to get things right and cant use logic when i am feeling this way!!

Is it the wife that is the sponsor?

no, her husband is the sponsor but when they emailed me they asked for the sponsors SPOUSE

but they wouldn't ask for the sponsor's spouse to fill out anything unless the sponsor's income doesn't qualify, would they?

im scared now !!!

[Free Jerusalem 0]

It does seem odd, but I can only add speculation on this since I never needed one.

To the OP, did the co sponsor fit within the income guidelines?

it is him and his wife and 5 kids, i am not sure how to calculate the guidelines, i have the tax papers though

[Y's_habibitk 2]

Dont freak out.

What Myna's wife said abotu the cosponsor(the husband)...does he qualify? Because im with her speculation that it may be that they dont feel he meets the income limits and are asking for his wife's income.

If he DOES meet the income requirements, then dont stress and just fill it out as me 4 musa advised.

If he DOESNT meet the requirements and the wife has no income, you may have cause for concern.

Take a look at the original 864 that he filled out and see what the total income is and go from there.

Good Luck

[Y's_habibitk 2]

it is him and his wife and 5 kids, i am not sure how to calculate the guidelines, i have the tax papers though

So his income needs to exceed the limits for an 8 person household (his 7 person family and your husband)

$46,263 <-- he needs to make at or above THIS amount

[Minya's wife 24]

^^^ I never needed one either, but in reading the I-864 and I-864A instructions I understood that the latter is to be used only if the person who fills out the former does not have enough income to qualify. So if the consulate is asking FJ to get an I-864A from the spouse of whoever filled out the I-864 and is her joint sponsor, it leads me to think that the joint-sponsor's income is insufficient.

FreeJerusalem, without giving details, but are you sure that your joint sponsor's income is sufficient and is 125% the poverty guidelines for the size of his household + your husband. For example if the joint sponsor's household is 4 people - husband, wife and 2 kids - then his income would need to be 125% above the poverty guideline of $25,790 (poverty level for 5 people)...so an income of $32,238 would be needed.

omg, i am so stressed and freaking out right now. does this mean that since his wife does not work, it can affect us getting a visa??

it is him, his wife and they have 5 kids... ages 7-1. so they are 7 and my husband ... 8 people. how much would he need to make then?

Here is the website for the 2009 Federal Poverty levels.

http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/09poverty.shtml

You'll see there that a household of 8 would need $37,010 to be at 100% of the poverty line. Your sponsor needs to meet 125% of that line, so $46,263 is what his income needs to be. Does he have this?

[Free Jerusalem 0]

^^^ I never needed one either, but in reading the I-864 and I-864A instructions I understood that the latter is to be used only if the person who fills out the former does not have enough income to qualify. So if the consulate is asking FJ to get an I-864A from the spouse of whoever filled out the I-864 and is her joint sponsor, it leads me to think that the joint-sponsor's income is insufficient.

FreeJerusalem, without giving details, but are you sure that your joint sponsor's income is sufficient and is 125% the poverty guidelines for the size of his household + your husband. For example if the joint sponsor's household is 4 people - husband, wife and 2 kids - then his income would need to be 125% above the poverty guideline of $25,790 (poverty level for 5 people)...so an income of $32,238 would be needed.

omg, i am so stressed and freaking out right now. does this mean that since his wife does not work, it can affect us getting a visa??

it is him, his wife and they have 5 kids... ages 7-1. so they are 7 and my husband ... 8 people. how much would he need to make then?

Here is the website for the 2009 Federal Poverty levels.

http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/09poverty.shtml

You'll see there that a household of 8 would need $37,010 to be at 100% of the poverty line. Your sponsor needs to meet 125% of that line, so $46,263 is what his income needs to be. Does he have this?

due to the fact that i am totally a wreck and terrified right now, i cant think clearly. on the tax papers, on line 22 it says THIS IS YOUR TOTAL INCOME and it is $125,059. obviously that way above the guidelines.But on number 41 it says TOTAL INCOME OR LOSS, and the number is 45,879....there are all these numbers, where am i supposed to look exactly???

[Minya's wife 24]

What tax papers have you been provided? Is your sponsor self-employed or is what you're looking at a standard 1040?

[Free Jerusalem 0]

it is him and his wife and 5 kids, i am not sure how to calculate the guidelines, i have the tax papers though

So his income needs to exceed the limits for an 8 person household (his 7 person family and your husband)

$46,263 <-- he needs to make at or above THIS amount

What tax papers have you been provided? Is your sponsor self-employed or is what you're looking at a standard 1040?

1040 , can u help me out...?

What tax papers have you been provided? Is your sponsor self-employed or is what you're looking at a standard 1040?

1040...

Edited October 15, 2009 by Free Jerusalem

[Minya's wife 24]

it is him and his wife and 5 kids, i am not sure how to calculate the guidelines, i have the tax papers though

So his income needs to exceed the limits for an 8 person household (his 7 person family and your husband)

$46,263 <-- he needs to make at or above THIS amount

that is the alaska guidelines, 37,010 is for the states

NO....$37,010 is 100% of the poverty level for the 48 contiguous US states. In order to qualify and serve as a joint sponsor, one must be at or above 125% of the poverty level, which is $46,263 (46,262.50 to be exact but I'm rounding up to be safe.)

What tax papers have you been provided? Is your sponsor self-employed or is what you're looking at a standard 1040?

1040 , can u help me out...?

What tax papers have you been provided? Is your sponsor self-employed or is what you're looking at a standard 1040?

1040...

you need the adjusted gross income, line 37 on the 1040.

[morocco4ever 63]

^^^ I never needed one either, but in reading the I-864 and I-864A instructions I understood that the latter is to be used only if the person who fills out the former does not have enough income to qualify. So if the consulate is asking FJ to get an I-864A from the spouse of whoever filled out the I-864 and is her joint sponsor, it leads me to think that the joint-sponsor's income is insufficient.

FreeJerusalem, without giving details, but are you sure that your joint sponsor's income is sufficient and is 125% the poverty guidelines for the size of his household + your husband. For example if the joint sponsor's household is 4 people - husband, wife and 2 kids - then his income would need to be 125% above the poverty guideline of $25,790 (poverty level for 5 people)...so an income of $32,238 would be needed.

omg, i am so stressed and freaking out right now. does this mean that since his wife does not work, it can affect us getting a visa??

it is him, his wife and they have 5 kids... ages 7-1. so they are 7 and my husband ... 8 people. how much would he need to make then?

Here is the website for the 2009 Federal Poverty levels.

http://aspe.hhs.gov/poverty/09poverty.shtml

You'll see there that a household of 8 would need $37,010 to be at 100% of the poverty line. Your sponsor needs to meet 125% of that line, so $46,263 is what his income needs to be. Does he have this?

due to the fact that i am totally a wreck and terrified right now, i cant think clearly. on the tax papers, on line 22 it says THIS IS YOUR TOTAL INCOME and it is $125,059. obviously that way above the guidelines.But on number 41 it says TOTAL INCOME OR LOSS, and the number is 45,879....there are all these numbers, where am i supposed to look exactly???

Could that amount be the taxable income?

[Free Jerusalem 0]

Line 37 is $125,059 !!!!

that's wayyyyy more than enough ?!?!

[Free Jerusalem 0]

it is him and his wife and 5 kids, i am not sure how to calculate the guidelines, i have the tax papers though

So his income needs to exceed the limits for an 8 person household (his 7 person family and your husband)

$46,263 <-- he needs to make at or above THIS amount

that is the alaska guidelines, 37,010 is for the states

NO....$37,010 is 100% of the poverty level for the 48 contiguous US states. In order to qualify and serve as a joint sponsor, one must be at or above 125% of the poverty level, which is $46,263 (46,262.50 to be exact but I'm rounding up to be safe.)

What tax papers have you been provided? Is your sponsor self-employed or is what you're looking at a standard 1040?

1040 , can u help me out...?

What tax papers have you been provided? Is your sponsor self-employed or is what you're looking at a standard 1040?

1040...

you need the adjusted gross income, line 37 on the 1040.

line 37, adjusted gross income is 125,059 !!!!

why are they asking for the sponsors wife to fill out a 1864a then ??

[morocco4ever 63]

Have you emailed the consulate to ask about it?

[Minya's wife 24]

Line 37 is $125,059 !!!!

that's wayyyyy more than enough ?!?!

hmmm, odd.

I don't mean to repeat things, just to make sure...

You've completed the I-864?

Your joint sponsor also completed I-864, not I-864A? If both of these are a yes, and you've verified that the joint sponsor meets the income qualifications, then I would follow up w/ another e-mail to the consulate requesting clarification as to why they're requesting the I-864A from the joint sponsor's spouse.