Gardasil (HPV) Being voted on by CDC on October 21st 2009

[Malrothien 6]

That is one part of the conditions to immigrate to the U.S. If you object to it, you have a couple of options. As I said, you can choose NOT to immigrate here, you can get the shot, or you can choose another country. That is three choices albeit unsavory choices, they are still choices.

This thread was posted in Off-Topic. If you dont' like people disagreeing with you, I suggest you find another forum to post in. Grow thicker skin, or GTFO.

As you and Malrothien both mention, it is currently a requirement to immigrate to the U.S.

However, just because it is a requirement does not mean that it is right. These people are immigrants, they are not sheep (or guinea pigs as the case may be).

No where in my post did I imply or otherwise state that I felt like "these people" were sheep. This is my second go with immigration into a country. There are rules and regulations that I do not like, but while I can write a letter and state my opinion, those are the rules. Period.

[The_Dude 1,142]

ya dude you are the most insensitive piece of ###### i saw... you obviously don't give a damn about it and i really dont even understand what your doing on Visajourney... if you didn't care that your fiance get that shot then you don't like her /him.. this is really disgusting ...we don't all go to America because its better hell no.. id stay here if it wasn't for my fiance too ... so you instead of telling people to be a stupid sheep following the rest of the human stupidity you should STFU!!!

Settle down there sparky. Where have I said that I don't care about my fiance? Your assumptions are ignorant and insulting. Where did I say that I thought that you or anyone was moving to America because of it would provice a better life? If you've read the entire thread, you'd see that I don't support making it mandatory. You would see that I am in support of whatever decision my wife decides upon, even if that means moving back to Canada.

You should learn to read and interpret posts with logic rather than blind emotion. Your post is simply ignorant.

[jomegared 0]

You do have a choice, just as you have a choice to immigrate to this country or not. I'm not trying to be callous, but but the self-righteous indignation I see from so many people regarding a VACCINE, something created to help save people from a disease is a bit much. I don't think anyone sets out at the onset of marriage to have extra-marital sex..... it just happens. I'm not suggesting this is the case with you or anyone in particular, but I think it's naive to say that you don't plan on having sex with anyone else because we all don't, thats why we take the vows to begin with. Now i'm all in favor of people being able to choose what is appropriate for their body. My wife is against the vaccine for her own reasons and I completely support her on that. But lets stop the hysteria about this.

What's hysterical about trying to help my fiancee who does not want to take it?

I think its reasonable to try, don't you? Or are you just going to let your fiance take it and worry about the side effects the rest of her life?

If you don't like the hysteria, then why are you following it?

You can leave whenever you like.

You can apply for a waiver to circumvent the vaccination. It will add time to your process and not necissarily be approved, but there is an option. I have put this to my wife that I will do that if that is the avenue that she wishes to pursue.

You can stop the whining and get down off the soap box. You posted this in Off Topic. If you simply want people to aggree with you and pat you on the back, I suggest you find another forum to post this in.

Waiver costs 565$ and its only based on religious beliefs or moral convictions, if they dont grant the waiver then you are out 565$, while AOS costs 1010$ plus the vaccinations that cost 130$ each. Plus the cost of the visit to the doctor.

Many people do not have this option.

You do still have an option. You don't have to immigrate to the U.S.

Dude , do you think all immigrants immigrate to the states because they don t have a choice, what are you talking about,

i will happily stay at my home country as i have a really comfortable life, lots of immigrants are making lots of sacrifices to go and join their loved ones,

because as i believe it is really hard for americans to live in another country, either because of the langage or because of financial burden,

i already lived in the US and the only reason i am returning is for my fiance, i did all the vaccines necessary before, with the approval of my doctors,

but this one, is faar from the usual vaccines that everybody gets,

you re really out of subject, and if you want to discuss whether people have the choice or not, go start your own thread!

That is one part of the conditions to immigrate to the U.S. If you object to it, you have a couple of options. As I said, you can choose NOT to immigrate here, you can get the shot, or you can choose another country. That is three choices albeit unsavory choices, they are still choices.

This thread was posted in Off-Topic. If you dont' like people disagreeing with you, I suggest you find another forum to post in. Grow thicker skin, or GTFO.

ya dude you are the most insensitive piece of ###### i saw... you obviously don't give a damn about it and i really dont even understand what your doing on Visajourney... if you didn't care that your fiance get that shot then you don't like her /him.. this is really disgusting ...we don't all go to America because its better hell no.. id stay here if it wasn't for my fiance too ... so you instead of telling people to be a stupid sheep following the rest of the human stupidity you should STFU!!!

No kidding. I live in the states, and the ONLY reason my fiance is coming is because of me. NOTHING ELSE. Its easier for foreigners to come to the states because most American's are too stupid, ignorant, and uneducated to deal with the culture shock on not living their, "entitled lifestyles." I have to get my license here to practice outside the country. Once I get that, I'm gone.

[The_Dude 1,142]

That is one part of the conditions to immigrate to the U.S. If you object to it, you have a couple of options. As I said, you can choose NOT to immigrate here, you can get the shot, or you can choose another country. That is three choices albeit unsavory choices, they are still choices.

This thread was posted in Off-Topic. If you dont' like people disagreeing with you, I suggest you find another forum to post in. Grow thicker skin, or GTFO.

As you and Malrothien both mention, it is currently a requirement to immigrate to the U.S.

However, just because it is a requirement does not mean that it is right. These people are immigrants, they are not sheep (or guinea pigs as the case may be).

If you had read the methodology or any of the case study, you would see that immigrants are NOT being used as guinea pigs. This vaccination has been tested in several countries using strict control methods.

[shoukette 0]

That is one part of the conditions to immigrate to the U.S. If you object to it, you have a couple of options. As I said, you can choose NOT to immigrate here, you can get the shot, or you can choose another country. That is three choices albeit unsavory choices, they are still choices.

This thread was posted in Off-Topic. If you dont' like people disagreeing with you, I suggest you find another forum to post in. Grow thicker skin, or GTFO.

You really are an ignorant. you re done with your process so i think you just get the #### out of this thread, and whether i chose to go or no i don t think your opinion matters lol

hehehehe your attitude is really from a typical uneducated and ignorant scumbag, i thank god i did nt deal with people like you when i was there :))) that s one reason i liked Americans, because most of them are educated , but as we say, one bad and nasty fish screws the whole bag !!! lol

PS: all Americans are immigrants!! except of course if you are a native ) which i doubt lol

[Rhiannercakes 14]

I think this topic is starting to get a little too into the personal attacks.

How about we stop the personal attacks? It's pretty immature.

Edited October 15, 2009 by Rhiann

[Malrothien 6]

I think this topic is starting to get a little too into the personal attacks.

How about we stop the personal attacks? It's pretty immature.

No kidding, hey? I love how someone can have a differing opinion then get trashed for it.

[The_Dude 1,142]

You really are an ignorant. you re done with your process so i think you just get the #### out of this thread, and whether i chose to go or no i don t think your opinion matters lol

hehehehe your attitude is really from a typical uneducated and ignorant scumbag, i thank god i did nt deal with people like you when i was there :))) that s one reason i liked Americans, because most of them are educated , but as we say, one bad and nasty fish screws the whole bag !!! lol

PS: all Americans are immigrants!! except of course if you are a native ) which i doubt lol

Wow, you really are ignorant to facts and reality. Let me ask you this, have you even read the case study or the methodology used in the testing for this vaccine? I'm not a callous person, I'm simply stating facts. If you had actually read my prior posts in this thread, you would see where I stand on it and the course of action that I am planning. I am not done with this process, as a matter of fact, I am in the middle of adjusting my wifes status, so I have read about the vaccination thoroughly. I am completely prepared to live by my opinion too. If my wife does not want toget the shots and we are unable to obtain a waiver, then we will move to Canada.

As I stated before, this is Off-Topic, where things are a bit rougher. If you don't want anyone to disagree with you, then you've come to the wrong place. You could PM either a moderator, or someone with the title of "Organizer", and they can move the thread to another sub-forum. I might suggest you have it moved to the AOS sub-forum as there is an ongoing debat as to whether you need to just get the first shot or whether you need the full battery to successfully adjust your status.

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Lets not forget that the decision to require the shot wasn't actually a decision at all - it was just part of a bureaucratic process, hopefully the CDC will make the right decision and remove the requirement.

[jomegared 0]

Lets not forget that the decision to require the shot wasn't actually a decision at all - it was just part of a bureaucratic process, hopefully the CDC will make the right decision and remove the requirement.

Hence the reason behind this thread.

Which yes, I will try to move.

[The_Dude 1,142]

Lets not forget that the decision to require the shot wasn't actually a decision at all - it was just part of a bureaucratic process, hopefully the CDC will make the right decision and remove the requirement.

I really don't understand some peoples objections to it though. If the circumstances were different, and the vaccine had been tested and been implemented for 20 years as opposed to 2, would your opinion be any different? Is your objection based on it something being forced upon people?

From my viewpoint, its a vaccine that could help save my wifes life, and that is paramount to me, even if the circumstances in which she would have to go through to contract it would be less than desireable and quite rare. I've read the clinical data and for me, If I were the one who was the potential immigrant, I would want it.

[shoukette 0]

You really are an ignorant. you re done with your process so i think you just get the #### out of this thread, and whether i chose to go or no i don t think your opinion matters lol

hehehehe your attitude is really from a typical uneducated and ignorant scumbag, i thank god i did nt deal with people like you when i was there :))) that s one reason i liked Americans, because most of them are educated , but as we say, one bad and nasty fish screws the whole bag !!! lol

PS: all Americans are immigrants!! except of course if you are a native ) which i doubt lol

Wow, you really are ignorant to facts and reality. Let me ask you this, have you even read the case study or the methodology used in the testing for this vaccine? I'm not a callous person, I'm simply stating facts. If you had actually read my prior posts in this thread, you would see where I stand on it and the course of action that I am planning. I am not done with this process, as a matter of fact, I am in the middle of adjusting my wifes status, so I have read about the vaccination thoroughly. I am completely prepared to live by my opinion too. If my wife does not want toget the shots and we are unable to obtain a waiver, then we will move to Canada.

As I stated before, this is Off-Topic, where things are a bit rougher. If you don't want anyone to disagree with you, then you've come to the wrong place. You could PM either a moderator, or someone with the title of "Organizer", and they can move the thread to another sub-forum. I might suggest you have it moved to the AOS sub-forum as there is an ongoing debat as to whether you need to just get the first shot or whether you need the full battery to successfully adjust your status.

i know what you ve written before and i ve read it, and as a matter of fact i did argue you taking a position whether we chose to immigrate or not,

each couples situation is different, and personally it is not a choice for me, if i don t move then o won t be able to be with my fiance.

moving to Canada is way easier to move to Morocco, where the langage is completely different and where books starts from the opposite side.

i am just saying that making a vaccine obligatory for immigrants while it is not obligatory for Citizens is a bit discriminatory, while even in America there is a huge controversy about it.

[jomegared 0]

Lets not forget that the decision to require the shot wasn't actually a decision at all - it was just part of a bureaucratic process, hopefully the CDC will make the right decision and remove the requirement.

I really don't understand some peoples objections to it though. If the circumstances were different, and the vaccine had been tested and been implemented for 20 years as opposed to 2, would your opinion be any different? Is your objection based on it something being forced upon people?

From my viewpoint, its a vaccine that could help save my wifes life, and that is paramount to me, even if the circumstances in which she would have to go through to contract it would be less than desireable and quite rare. I've read the clinical data and for me, If I were the one who was the potential immigrant, I would want it.

If it had been in around and tested for 20 years, I wouldn't have an objection to it.

But on these terms? No. Giving an STD vaccine to someone who has been tested, proven to be ok, and is getting married is ridiculous, especially at 500 dollars for the whole series.

Merck is a for profit company. They don't care if it saves your wife's life or not. They care about their bottom line.

They care about making you think you need it to save your wife's life.

Edited October 15, 2009 by jomegared

[Usui Takumi 1,562]

Hey Rob,

Its because its a vaccine that does not really apply to many of us, simple as that. If a doctor says "This will do you no good" Why even enter into the risks of side effects no matter how slight they may be?

[The_Dude 1,142]

Disclaimer: I am not trying to be a douche, I'm just trying to shed a bit of reality on the situation.

If the CDC votes to remove the gardisil shot as a requirement, I highly doubt that It would be implemented in time to effect anyone who has already filed. Another issue that I think some people will raise if it is dropped is what about the costs and anguish that people such as yourselves who got the shot against their will, simply because it was a requirement, will they receive some sort of payment?