Finland First to Make Broadband a Legal Right

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

More people agreeing - because there isn't a diversity of opinion in the US or Europe?

No that is not what I said, as it stands now he would get more claps when talking about paid vacations if was in Europe instead of America. How is what I just said there wrong? Anyone can change there mind, well almost anyone. Im still holding out hope for you.

That doesn't gel with the views of the Americans I know.

10 days paid vacation and 5 holiday days a year? You'd have to be masochistic to defend that.

[Heracles 417]

more agreeable audience over there to his opinions about the govs role in our lives.

This is the sort of attitude that is killing the republican party. Where you make comments about systems you know nothing about, apart from what you have heard for the likes of Rush and other conservatives.

What you disingenuously do and I have caught you guys out on this, is pick and choose international examples that supports your argument. You will use negatives to prove your point but totally ignore positive things that are being done better than America, yes in places like Europe.

At least dems have woken up and smelt the coffee. Realized (accepted) that you are no longer a leader in numerous areas; far from it actually. Whereas, repubs like yourself just want to continue on the "we're American, we don't listen to nobody" bandwagon. As such, anyone who points this out is simply branded as being "unAmerican!".

Edited October 20, 2009 by Booyah!

[_Simpson_ 250]

So you're saying that there is no diversity of opinion between American women?

Clearly when you put your foot in your mouth, you follow up by inserting your whole leg!

Clearly you have not digested what is being stated here, like I said before this had more to do with the location than the woman. I wasn't even addressing her opinion or thoughts, remember location location location.

The sole reason I migrated here was due to my wife. Does this mean I hate America? No. However, for myself, I left an internationally recognized 2009 5 series BMW equivalent nation and am now in a 1996 F150 equivalent. Like others, your issue is that you belief that a 1996 F150 is great vehicle is good enough. It's not bad, however, it is certainly not a 2009 5 series. What I get angry at with many here is that you will actually sit here and deny that the 2009 5 series is a much better vehicle. Not to mention ignore any and every international study. "We're american1 we don't listen to the world"

PS I am at the preliminary stages of building a town house back in AUS. Once the planning goes through and construction is completed, we will be moving back.

You will be happier in Australia right, too bad the woman you fell in love with wasnt in Australian all a long, then you wouldnt have never had to move to this shite hole called america.

[Heracles 417]

You will be happier in Australia right, too bad the woman you fell in love with wasnt in Australian all a long, then you wouldnt have never had to move to this shite hole called america.

You're missing the point. The republican way of thinking, of running a country, may have worked in 1983 but fails America in 2009. You do realize that your next competitor, one who is projected to overtake you, is a federalist communist nation right? Something you totally stand against and always stated was a failure.

How can you sit here and not seriously see a problem with:

• Crumbling infrastructure
• Crumbing roads (no reflectors, markers, potholes etc)
• Airports ( stuck in the 70's and 80's - Decades behind their European or Asian competitors)
• Towns and Cities ( stuck in the 40's and 60's - Decades^6 behind their European or Asian competitors)
• Condition of schools
• Sheer level of Poverty (Ghettos / Slums)
• Crime
• Homicide rate
• Lack of a fair and livable salary
• Lack of protection against injury or unfair dismissal
• Lack of mandated 21st century vacation time or public holidays.
• Lack of protection for the consumer.
• Lack of actual age pension or unemployment benefits (some prefer 'Americans' just die)

Just a few points off the top of my head.

Edited October 20, 2009 by Booyah!

[_Simpson_ 250]

What I did say is that he would been happier if the woman he fell in love with was from Europe, more agreeable audience over there to his opinions about the govs role in our lives.

...because there cannot be diversity of opinion in the US?

Good grief what are you talking about, more people in Europe support the sort of paid vacations Booyah was referring too. Diversity of opinion

So what? You are still saying that your view of how America is is the only valid one and those who think differently should move elsewhere if they want to be happy. That's at best silly and at worst...well.

Shut up BY, I can argue your case much better than you can

See you keep doing that, were did I say that if you dont like america you should move somewhere else? What I said was that he would be happier in a place that is more to his liking as far as the govs role in our life. Which brings us to what is valid, Where do you think he is going to get more claps for the sort of paid vacations that he would like to see? I say Europe, you?

[_Simpson_ 250]

You will be happier in Australia right, too bad the woman you fell in love with wasnt in Australian all a long, then you wouldnt have never had to move to this shite hole called america.

You're missing the point. The republican way of thinking, of running a country, may have worked in 1983 but fails America in 2009. You do realize that your next competitor, one who is projected to overtake you, is a federalist communist nation right? Something you totally stand against and always stated was a failure.

How can you sit here and not seriously see a problem with:

• Crumbling infrastructure
• Crumbing roads (no reflectors, markers, potholes etc)
• Airports ( stuck in the 70's and 80's - Decades behind their European or Asian competitors)
• Towns and Cities ( stuck in the 40's and 60's - Decades^6 behind their European or Asian competitors)
• Condition of schools
• Sheer level of Poverty (Ghettos / Slums)
• Crime
• Homicide rate
• Lack of a fair and livable salary
• Lack of protection against injury or unfair dismissal
• Lack of mandated 21st century vacation time or public holidays.
• Lack of protection for the consumer.
• Lack of actual age pension or unemployment benefits

Just a few point off the top of my head.

Not sure where you have been, but I said we had issues to address in this country but I cant address them with somebody that goes 24/7 telling me how shittty america is, constructive criticism is the way to go and quit thinking that ever conservative is a right wing wacko.

Edited October 20, 2009 by _Simpson_

[_Simpson_ 250]

More people agreeing - because there isn't a diversity of opinion in the US or Europe?

No that is not what I said, as it stands now he would get more claps when talking about paid vacations if was in Europe instead of America. How is what I just said there wrong? Anyone can change there mind, well almost anyone. Im still holding out hope for you.

That doesn't gel with the views of the Americans I know.

10 days paid vacation and 5 holiday days a year? You'd have to be masochistic to defend that.

I would defend it in the sense that it needs to be left up to the company discretions, a lot of jobs that are not what could be called dead end jobs give more than the required amount of paid vacations. Its a sort of incentive, keeps the good employees around and also a tool that the company has to keep there employees motivated.

[Heracles 417]

Not sure where you have been, but I said we had issues to address in this country but I cant address them with somebody that goes 24/7 telling me how shittty america is, constructive criticism is the way to go and quit thinking that ever conservative is a right wing wacko.

I like conservatives more than the "liberal/progressive" yanks. Heck I am conservative. However, we have totally polar views on federal governments, health care, regulation, the free market and what country first means.

For me, country first literally means our country first. Aka not just what's in it for me. Country first means we all put in a bucket and use it to improve our country, to give back to the country that allows me to earn this money in the first place. Also know as gratitude. Not to mention invest in our people, so they too can be productive members of our society, rather than in ghettos and on welfare. Furthermore, I too benefit by investing in them as we end up with more active consumers. Not to mention a much nice country to live in. Whereas, ghettos and poverty in my country reflects on me. Republicans seem to be oblivious to this.

As an example, Republican 101: As long as I have a Cadillac or Range Rover, who cares about the quality of the roads in my country. A view not shared in one other industrialized nation, not even amongst conservatives. Only 3rd world countries think like that, hence being 3rd world. Where the rich just buy expensive toys to ignore the state of their country.

Edited October 20, 2009 by Booyah!

[Peikko 1,575]

What I did say is that he would been happier if the woman he fell in love with was from Europe, more agreeable audience over there to his opinions about the govs role in our lives.

...because there cannot be diversity of opinion in the US?

Good grief what are you talking about, more people in Europe support the sort of paid vacations Booyah was referring too. Diversity of opinion

So what? You are still saying that your view of how America is is the only valid one and those who think differently should move elsewhere if they want to be happy. That's at best silly and at worst...well.

Shut up BY, I can argue your case much better than you can

See you keep doing that, were did I say that if you dont like america you should move somewhere else? What I said was that he would be happier in a place that is more to his liking as far as the govs role in our life. Which brings us to what is valid, Where do you think he is going to get more claps for the sort of paid vacations that he would like to see? I say Europe, you?

More importantly, where did I say that you did?

[_Simpson_ 250]

I really think your more liberal than conservative. Your using the blanket approach again, not all conservatives think that way and I dont know that there is a effective way to address somebody that thinks this way.

[_Simpson_ 250]

What I did say is that he would been happier if the woman he fell in love with was from Europe, more agreeable audience over there to his opinions about the govs role in our lives.

...because there cannot be diversity of opinion in the US?

Good grief what are you talking about, more people in Europe support the sort of paid vacations Booyah was referring too. Diversity of opinion

So what? You are still saying that your view of how America is is the only valid one and those who think differently should move elsewhere if they want to be happy. That's at best silly and at worst...well.

Shut up BY, I can argue your case much better than you can

See you keep doing that, were did I say that if you dont like america you should move somewhere else? What I said was that he would be happier in a place that is more to his liking as far as the govs role in our life. Which brings us to what is valid, Where do you think he is going to get more claps for the sort of paid vacations that he would like to see? I say Europe, you?

More importantly, where did I say that you did?

ah yes I stand corrected you did say "if they want to be happy" So tell me where did I go wrong in assuming that somebody would be happier with a government that supported and stood by the individuals views?

[Peikko 1,575]

What I did say is that he would been happier if the woman he fell in love with was from Europe, more agreeable audience over there to his opinions about the govs role in our lives.

...because there cannot be diversity of opinion in the US?

Good grief what are you talking about, more people in Europe support the sort of paid vacations Booyah was referring too. Diversity of opinion

So what? You are still saying that your view of how America is is the only valid one and those who think differently should move elsewhere if they want to be happy. That's at best silly and at worst...well.

Shut up BY, I can argue your case much better than you can

See you keep doing that, were did I say that if you dont like america you should move somewhere else? What I said was that he would be happier in a place that is more to his liking as far as the govs role in our life. Which brings us to what is valid, Where do you think he is going to get more claps for the sort of paid vacations that he would like to see? I say Europe, you?

More importantly, where did I say that you did?

ah yes I stand corrected you did say "if they want to be happy" So tell me where did I go wrong in assuming that somebody would be happier with a government that supported and stood by the individuals views?

You went wrong in assuming that anyone's happiness is somehow dependent on this marginal difference between governmental systems.

[Peikko 1,575]

I expect that's because you believe, somewhat oddly in my view, that the differences between governmental systems in Europe and America are more sweeping than they really are.

[_Simpson_ 250]

What I did say is that he would been happier if the woman he fell in love with was from Europe, more agreeable audience over there to his opinions about the govs role in our lives.

...because there cannot be diversity of opinion in the US?

Good grief what are you talking about, more people in Europe support the sort of paid vacations Booyah was referring too. Diversity of opinion

So what? You are still saying that your view of how America is is the only valid one and those who think differently should move elsewhere if they want to be happy. That's at best silly and at worst...well.

Shut up BY, I can argue your case much better than you can

See you keep doing that, were did I say that if you dont like america you should move somewhere else? What I said was that he would be happier in a place that is more to his liking as far as the govs role in our life. Which brings us to what is valid, Where do you think he is going to get more claps for the sort of paid vacations that he would like to see? I say Europe, you?

More importantly, where did I say that you did?

ah yes I stand corrected you did say "if they want to be happy" So tell me where did I go wrong in assuming that somebody would be happier with a government that supported and stood by the individuals views?

You went wrong in assuming that anyone's happiness is somehow dependent on this marginal difference between governmental systems.

Your approach that our differences are subtle doesnt work for me, Finland 39 paid days USA 10, a huge difference and then theres how we handle health care, do I need to say more.

Its funny how for the sake of this argument your all of a sudden acting like were the spitting image of Europe and not the red headed step child, fail. (that was for you AJ)

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Yet I say again Finland - has a higher standard of living.