Finland First to Make Broadband a Legal Right

[_Simpson_ 250]

people sure come up with some silly ideas about what they have a right to.

Like Guns? Or freedom to literally say or do anything, without any consequences? I know what you mean. What sort of developed first word country has such stupid laws?

I think you will find first world countries tend to legislate things that actually improve people's lives. Like a right to a fair minimum wage. A right to adequate vacation time and safe working conditions. A right to be compensated if you are retrenched. A right to a fair dismissal. A right to live free from crime and violence, rather than exposure to daily violence, protect by some freedom clause written 300 years ago. There is a reason why no other developed country has adopted the US constitution. After all, it's not patented.

Where has there been a mandate for all towns to have a gun shop?, Fail, your comparing apples to oranges so you can continue to piss and moan about america.

You missed the point. While Americans hold the US Constitution dear to their hearts, many most abroad don't have the same things legislated nor care to. They prefer to legislate things that actually improve the living conditions in a country. Like the conditions I stated above. Obviously for many here, legislating such things are bizarre.

I didnt miss your point, you were bringing our right to own guns into the equation and thats just apples and oranges.

You bring up alot of different issues and each can be a debate of there own but in a nutshell... We have minimum wages you might not consider them fair but that is a relative term and we will leave that call up to the people of the state in question. Safety at work, have you heard of OSHA? Unemployment compensates those who have been laid off. How do you give someone the right to live free from crime and violence?

Edited October 20, 2009 by _Simpson_

[kaydee457 13]

people sure come up with some silly ideas about what they have a right to.

Yep, mostly lefty Liberals.....

[_Simpson_ 250]

I would be very surprised if the government didn't pay the telecoms companies directly or otherwise offer some sort of incentive or subsidy to do this. That's usually how these things work.

I would think they would too but why the need to make a law? If there was money in this I assume the buisness would be more than happy to jump on it. Maybe its the making the services accessible that is a losing proposition for the company and if so why not just go to the companies and make a offer instead of making it a law.

[_Simpson_ 250]

As MC would say "only in America Europe" I am amazed that people think its ok to make laws that would force business to perform services. What should of happened, with the support of the people the gov. should of offered to pay for the expenses that would give access to every citizen.

Damn straight they should be forced. You must have missed my comcast thread. Government intervention is why we don't get ripped off in Europe or Australia. I have seen and used both systems (approaches) and government intervention to promote the free-market works 1,000 times better than the Repub / Libertarian let companies do as they please approach. For example, it's why we don't have incoming call charges in Europe or Australia. It's why we have a handful of broadband providers, rather than one. It's why the sticker price on a shelf is what we pay at the register. It's why a $49.95 cell bill means I only pay $49.95.

Common sense: monopolies will abuse their market share. Something that is clearly happening here. The independent Australian competition board [ACCC] forced the incumbent telecoms to allow others to use their exchanges and copper lines, and actually set a reasonable rate. Hence the competition and a win for the Australian consumer. You know, the same person the government and Constitution protects and represents.

At whos expense?, Americas approach seems make a lot of sense/cents, maybe you should take notes.

[Hilarious Clinton 452]

That's right, you heard me. YLE reports that starting next July, every person in Finland will have the right to a one-megabit broadband connection. What's that? Do I hear some scoffing at the idea of a one-megabit connection? Well how about this, YLE goes on to say that the Finnish Ministry of Transport and Communications are guaranteeing that by 2015, this will be upped to a 100-megabit connection.

With a population of 5.5 million, Finland is the first but definitely won't be the last. Other European countries are expected to follow suit soon, including the United Kingdom.

Imagine being legally entitled to 100-megabit internet … Man, now would that be awesome or what? Now stop imagining, this is America, not Finland.

Source : Tom's Hardware US

Some will be wireless.

Wireless broadband sucks. Too much latency.

[Heracles 417]

I didnt miss your point, you were bringing our right to own guns into the equation and thats just apples and oranges.

You bring up alot of different issues and each can be a debate of there own but in a nutshell... We have minimum wages you might not consider them fair but that is a relative term and we will leave that call up to the people of the state in question. Safety at work, have you heard of OSHA? Unemployment compensates those who have been laid off. How do you give someone the right to live free from crime and violence?

Compared to that of most other developed countries, we have jack legislated. Look at the graph in my sig for starters. ZERO vacation or public holidays mandated. heck, most people can be fired on the spot with zero repercussions.

Only third world countries legislate the right to have guns but leave things that actually impact and affect someone's quality of life up to the individual or private sector. I do see a clear pattern here amongst those with similar views. Clearly many have not lived and worked abroad, in other first world countries, so what we have here seems great. Particularly when compared to places like the Philippines.

[Heracles 417]

At whos expense?, Americas approach seems make a lot of sense/cents, maybe you should take notes.

Whose airlines have made a healthy profit for the last 10 years? Whose banks are yet to lose one single dollar and are delivering profit after profit? even in the worst global crisis since the depression.

This attitude just proves what I was saying above. Even though realty does not fit the illusion, you have seriously been indoctrinated to believe you are the best. Therefore, why improve? With that attitude, it's no wonder so many companies have failed here. Which first world country looks up to the US anymore? There is a logical reason for this. To the contrary, many in other first world countries laugh at the US. Especially regarding the flat earth stance on health care.

Edited October 20, 2009 by Booyah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I would be very surprised if the government didn't pay the telecoms companies directly or otherwise offer some sort of incentive or subsidy to do this. That's usually how these things work.

I would think they would too but why the need to make a law? If there was money in this I assume the buisness would be more than happy to jump on it. Maybe its the making the services accessible that is a losing proposition for the company and if so why not just go to the companies and make a offer instead of making it a law.

Its probably because it isn't profitable in the short term.

[_Simpson_ 250]

I didnt miss your point, you were bringing our right to own guns into the equation and thats just apples and oranges.

You bring up alot of different issues and each can be a debate of there own but in a nutshell... We have minimum wages you might not consider them fair but that is a relative term and we will leave that call up to the people of the state in question. Safety at work, have you heard of OSHA? Unemployment compensates those who have been laid off. How do you give someone the right to live free from crime and violence?

Compared to that of most other developed countries, we have jack legislated. Look at the graph in my sig for starters. ZERO vacation or public holidays mandated. heck, most people can be fired on the spot with zero repercussions.

Only third world countries legislate the right to have guns but leave things that actually impact and affect someone's quality of life up to the individual or private sector. I do see a clear pattern here amongst those with similar views. Clearly many have not lived and worked abroad, in other first world countries, so what we have here seems great. Particularly when compared to places like the Philippines.

No this seems great compared to places like Finland. We want a majority of things handled by the individual and private sector and I believe that type of thinking is one of the things to be credited to the success of america. You should of married a woman from Europe because were a different breed over here and I dont every see you being happy living here.

Edited October 20, 2009 by _Simpson_

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Finland actually has a higher standard of living than the US.

[Peikko 1,575]

I didnt miss your point, you were bringing our right to own guns into the equation and thats just apples and oranges.

You bring up alot of different issues and each can be a debate of there own but in a nutshell... We have minimum wages you might not consider them fair but that is a relative term and we will leave that call up to the people of the state in question. Safety at work, have you heard of OSHA? Unemployment compensates those who have been laid off. How do you give someone the right to live free from crime and violence?

Compared to that of most other developed countries, we have jack legislated. Look at the graph in my sig for starters. ZERO vacation or public holidays mandated. heck, most people can be fired on the spot with zero repercussions.

Only third world countries legislate the right to have guns but leave things that actually impact and affect someone's quality of life up to the individual or private sector. I do see a clear pattern here amongst those with similar views. Clearly many have not lived and worked abroad, in other first world countries, so what we have here seems great. Particularly when compared to places like the Philippines.

No this seems great compared to places like Finland. We want a majority of things handled by the individual and private sector and I believe that type of thinking is one of the things to be credited to the success of america. You should of married a woman from Europe because were a different breed over here and I dont every see you being happy living here.

I don't think that's a very sensible thing to post on an immigration website, do you?

Edited October 20, 2009 by Madame Cleo

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It is a rather questionable statement.

[_Simpson_ 250]

At whos expense?, Americas approach seems make a lot of sense/cents, maybe you should take notes.

Whose airlines have made a healthy profit for the last 10 years? Whose banks are yet to lose one single dollar and are delivering profit after profit? even in the worst global crisis since the depression.

This attitude just proves what I was saying above. Even though realty does not fit the illusion, you have seriously been indoctrinated to believe you are the best. Therefore, why improve? With that attitude, it's no wonder so many companies have failed here. Which first world country looks up to the US anymore? There is a logical reason for this. To the contrary, many in other first world countries laugh at the US. Especially regarding the flat earth stance on health care.

Indoctrinated to believe we are the best, nope I dont think so, maybe you meant you have been indoctrinated to believe that only Satan is second to america. You're always 24/7 america this american that, nobody that actually gives a dam about this country is going to join in with you on your rants and in return you come to the conclusion that we all have blinders on and dont have a clue. Most of us know that we are not the great country we once were, still a great country though but nevertheless we have a fair amount of issues to deal with.

[Peikko 1,575]

At whos expense?, Americas approach seems make a lot of sense/cents, maybe you should take notes.

Whose airlines have made a healthy profit for the last 10 years? Whose banks are yet to lose one single dollar and are delivering profit after profit? even in the worst global crisis since the depression.

This attitude just proves what I was saying above. Even though realty does not fit the illusion, you have seriously been indoctrinated to believe you are the best. Therefore, why improve? With that attitude, it's no wonder so many companies have failed here. Which first world country looks up to the US anymore? There is a logical reason for this. To the contrary, many in other first world countries laugh at the US. Especially regarding the flat earth stance on health care.

Indoctrinated to believe we are the best, nope I dont think so, maybe you meant you have been indoctrinated to believe that only Satan is second to america. You're always 24/7 america this american that, nobody that actually gives a dam about this country is going to join in with you on your rants and in return you come to the conclusion that we all have blinders on and dont have a clue. Most of us know that we are not the great country we once were, still a great country though but nevertheless we have a fair amount of issues to deal with.

BY needs to work on his communication skills this is true, but what he is saying does have a resonance. There is a tendency for certain American's to assume that just because something is American it is better than anything from somewhere else and will close their minds to any suggestions otherwise. This attitude is not universal, but one can't deny that it exists.

[_Simpson_ 250]

I didnt miss your point, you were bringing our right to own guns into the equation and thats just apples and oranges.

You bring up alot of different issues and each can be a debate of there own but in a nutshell... We have minimum wages you might not consider them fair but that is a relative term and we will leave that call up to the people of the state in question. Safety at work, have you heard of OSHA? Unemployment compensates those who have been laid off. How do you give someone the right to live free from crime and violence?

Compared to that of most other developed countries, we have jack legislated. Look at the graph in my sig for starters. ZERO vacation or public holidays mandated. heck, most people can be fired on the spot with zero repercussions.

Only third world countries legislate the right to have guns but leave things that actually impact and affect someone's quality of life up to the individual or private sector. I do see a clear pattern here amongst those with similar views. Clearly many have not lived and worked abroad, in other first world countries, so what we have here seems great. Particularly when compared to places like the Philippines.

No this seems great compared to places like Finland. We want a majority of things handled by the individual and private sector and I believe that type of thinking is one of the things to be credited to the success of america. You should of married a woman from Europe because were a different breed over here and I dont every see you being happy living here.

I don't think that's a very sensible thing to post on an immigration website, do you?

Its only means that had he met a European woman he would of probably been a lot happier considering how much he cant stand america. I think if you're going to make more of it or take issue with what I am really addressing here(his hatred for america)then your just being ridiculous.