Bans 'do not cut abortion rate'

[Peikko 1,575]

What do you mean it hasn't been tried? Are you stupid or just ignorant?

What the hell are you talking about?

Lovely. An all male discussion about female rights. Keep at it boys.

If only it was just about a womans right.

Hey! Can't blame me for wanting you guys to fight damnit, I am bored.

And it is, still, a woman's right to choose. Would I exercise that right? I don't know. But as of today, that's my prerogative according to the law.

I guess if its a woman's right to murder her's and the father's child. Then its a woman's issue.

You just broke my heart. No, not really. The law is pretty clear. You don't have to like it.

I guess you wouldn't like the law if it allowed for the abortion of 2 year olds too. Technically no baby is viable. It depends on the parent even after birth. Can't live on its own.

Rubbish. Viable out of the womb is a very distinct issue. You fail.

[_Simpson_ 250]

What the hell am I talking about? Why do you suppose abortion is currently illegal in so many countries Simpson? That's question number one. Second question, was abortion in countries where it is now legal has it always been legal? Answer both questions correctly and you know what I am talking about.

Why is it, because theres a demand. Your point? How in hell does that alone justify it?

Answer to your second question, of course but that has nothing to do with the point I was making. Doesnt matter if we ban cigarette the rate of smokers will stay the same right?

[HAL 9000 96]

I suspect that any study that did not portray abortion in a dark light will be dismissed out of hand by some, regardless of methodology or raw data.

Because abortion rights + individual rights = imaginary numbers for these people.

Lovely. An all male discussion about female rights. Keep at it boys.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

What do you mean it hasn't been tried? Are you stupid or just ignorant?

What the hell are you talking about?

Lovely. An all male discussion about female rights. Keep at it boys.

If only it was just about a womans right.

Hey! Can't blame me for wanting you guys to fight damnit, I am bored.

And it is, still, a woman's right to choose. Would I exercise that right? I don't know. But as of today, that's my prerogative according to the law.

I guess if its a woman's right to murder her's and the father's child. Then its a woman's issue.

You just broke my heart. No, not really. The law is pretty clear. You don't have to like it.

I guess you wouldn't like the law if it allowed for the abortion of 2 year olds too. Technically no baby is viable. It depends on the parent even after birth. Can't live on its own.

Rubbish. Viable out of the womb is a very distinct issue. You fail.

Whatever makes you feel better about the death of 45 million.

[HAL 9000 96]

Well to take one example they cite - they're right about Ireland - abortion is banned there but that hasn't stopped women there (several thousand per year) from travelling to the UK to have the procedure done there. There have been several landmark cases overturning rulings by Irish courts that attempted to bar women from travelling if it was suspect that they were going to have an abortion.

Well that has more to do with the accessibility to abortion not the ban of abortion. If abortions were banned universally do you really think the rate would go down.

Oh come on - that's pie in the sky. Abortion isn't going to be banned on a global basis - there will always be access to some neighbouring country or region that offers it legally, or to backstreet quacks who will do it illegally. Women even do it themselves.

Of course it never will be globally. My point was that this isnt just a matter of banning doesnt work, because it really hasnt been banned, sure in one country but you can go to another country and do it. Basically your trying to tell me that abortion rates would stay the same regardless to if Ireland banned them or not and thats the argument Planned Parenthood is trying to make, its ridiculous.

Irish courts do not have jurisdiction over British courts and [now] vice versa. The procedure is banned in Ireland, and abortions still occur. This is true in every other country where abortion is outlawed.

[_Simpson_ 250]

To act like this is the only two things that could happen is ridiculous. Some people would choose to have the baby rather than the other options. Point being is you have 50 people who want a abortion, some of them can afford to go elsewhere others are not afraid to go underground but what about those people who who dont meet either criteria? Not all 50 people are going to have a abortion, the rate would go down and the argument the first part of this article is trying to make is a joke.

Yes some women have the baby, who knew!

I don't see how that disproves the assertion made in the article...

because the article implies that banning does not cut back on abortions

So your point is that you are not going to address the issue in the article because you dismiss it's entire premise?

What!? I have been addressing the hell out of this issue. I mentioned early on that I couldnt give any credit to this article for two reasons, one I cant obtain how the raw data was retrieved and two the source. Planned parenthood, good grief.

[HAL 9000 96]

What do you mean it hasn't been tried? Are you stupid or just ignorant?

What the hell are you talking about?

Lovely. An all male discussion about female rights. Keep at it boys.

If only it was just about a womans right.

Let us know when you, presumably a male, can get preggo.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Well to take one example they cite - they're right about Ireland - abortion is banned there but that hasn't stopped women there (several thousand per year) from travelling to the UK to have the procedure done there. There have been several landmark cases overturning rulings by Irish courts that attempted to bar women from travelling if it was suspect that they were going to have an abortion.

Well that has more to do with the accessibility to abortion not the ban of abortion. If abortions were banned universally do you really think the rate would go down.

Oh come on - that's pie in the sky. Abortion isn't going to be banned on a global basis - there will always be access to some neighbouring country or region that offers it legally, or to backstreet quacks who will do it illegally. Women even do it themselves.

Of course it never will be globally. My point was that this isnt just a matter of banning doesnt work, because it really hasnt been banned, sure in one country but you can go to another country and do it. Basically your trying to tell me that abortion rates would stay the same regardless to if Ireland banned them or not and thats the argument Planned Parenthood is trying to make, its ridiculous.

Irish courts do not have jurisdiction over British courts and [now] vice versa. The procedure is banned in Ireland, and abortions still occur. This is true in every other country where abortion is outlawed.

Murder is banned too and yet it still happens.. Same with every other crime known to man.

What do you mean it hasn't been tried? Are you stupid or just ignorant?

What the hell are you talking about?

Lovely. An all male discussion about female rights. Keep at it boys.

If only it was just about a womans right.

Let us know when you, presumably a male, can get preggo.

But you'd fight for those child support payments..

[Chica Yeyé 41]

Until the law equals abortion to murder, your play with words is as lame as slinging toilet paper over the Dean's front yard.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Oh dear - the IQ of the thread is on the decline.

Well done Joe.

[HAL 9000 96]

I guess if its a woman's right to murder her's and the father's child. Then its a woman's issue.

Perhaps where you come from babies are physically dependent on the father's body during gestation.

You don't have a tangible claim over a woman's body just because she's pregnant with your child. The reason you don't have that claim - is because it amounts to slavery.

Who's the voice for the child? The child doesn't get to choose.

And women have used children to enslave men for the longest time (once they are born).. Can the father choose not to have it if the woman wants it? Don't think so.

Gestating fetuses should definitely be polled then.

[The_Dude 1,142]

Well to take one example they cite - they're right about Ireland - abortion is banned there but that hasn't stopped women there (several thousand per year) from travelling to the UK to have the procedure done there. There have been several landmark cases overturning rulings by Irish courts that attempted to bar women from travelling if it was suspect that they were going to have an abortion.

Well that has more to do with the accessibility to abortion not the ban of abortion. If abortions were banned universally do you really think the rate would go down.

Oh come on - that's pie in the sky. Abortion isn't going to be banned on a global basis - there will always be access to some neighbouring country or region that offers it legally, or to backstreet quacks who will do it illegally. Women even do it themselves.

Of course it never will be globally. My point was that this isnt just a matter of banning doesnt work, because it really hasnt been banned, sure in one country but you can go to another country and do it. Basically your trying to tell me that abortion rates would stay the same regardless to if Ireland banned them or not and thats the argument Planned Parenthood is trying to make, its ridiculous.

Irish courts do not have jurisdiction over British courts and [now] vice versa. The procedure is banned in Ireland, and abortions still occur. This is true in every other country where abortion is outlawed.

Murder is banned too and yet it still happens.. Same with every other crime known to man.

Lets not hijack this thread with hyperbole, or failed logic, whatever it may be.

[HAL 9000 96]

What do you mean it hasn't been tried? Are you stupid or just ignorant?

What the hell are you talking about?

Lovely. An all male discussion about female rights. Keep at it boys.

If only it was just about a womans right.

Hey! Can't blame me for wanting you guys to fight damnit, I am bored.

And it is, still, a woman's right to choose. Would I exercise that right? I don't know. But as of today, that's my prerogative according to the law.

I guess if its a woman's right to murder her's and the father's child. Then its a woman's issue.

You just broke my heart. No, not really. The law is pretty clear. You don't have to like it.

I guess you wouldn't like the law if it allowed for the abortion of 2 year olds too. Technically no baby is viable. It depends on the parent even after birth. Can't live on its own.

Technically you don't quite understand the concept of viability. Nothing new there.

[_Simpson_ 250]

Well to take one example they cite - they're right about Ireland - abortion is banned there but that hasn't stopped women there (several thousand per year) from travelling to the UK to have the procedure done there. There have been several landmark cases overturning rulings by Irish courts that attempted to bar women from travelling if it was suspect that they were going to have an abortion.

Well that has more to do with the accessibility to abortion not the ban of abortion. If abortions were banned universally do you really think the rate would go down.

Oh come on - that's pie in the sky. Abortion isn't going to be banned on a global basis - there will always be access to some neighbouring country or region that offers it legally, or to backstreet quacks who will do it illegally. Women even do it themselves.

Of course it never will be globally. My point was that this isnt just a matter of banning doesnt work, because it really hasnt been banned, sure in one country but you can go to another country and do it. Basically your trying to tell me that abortion rates would stay the same regardless to if Ireland banned them or not and thats the argument Planned Parenthood is trying to make, its ridiculous.

Irish courts do not have jurisdiction over British courts and [now] vice versa. The procedure is banned in Ireland, and abortions still occur. This is true in every other country where abortion is outlawed.

I know that and that was used in my argument. This takes nothing away from what I was saying.

Do you really believe that all the people in Ireland that want a abortion get it even though it was banned. To say the rate stays the same seems exactly like something planned parenthood would say.

[HAL 9000 96]

Well to take one example they cite - they're right about Ireland - abortion is banned there but that hasn't stopped women there (several thousand per year) from travelling to the UK to have the procedure done there. There have been several landmark cases overturning rulings by Irish courts that attempted to bar women from travelling if it was suspect that they were going to have an abortion.

Well that has more to do with the accessibility to abortion not the ban of abortion. If abortions were banned universally do you really think the rate would go down.

Oh come on - that's pie in the sky. Abortion isn't going to be banned on a global basis - there will always be access to some neighbouring country or region that offers it legally, or to backstreet quacks who will do it illegally. Women even do it themselves.

Of course it never will be globally. My point was that this isnt just a matter of banning doesnt work, because it really hasnt been banned, sure in one country but you can go to another country and do it. Basically your trying to tell me that abortion rates would stay the same regardless to if Ireland banned them or not and thats the argument Planned Parenthood is trying to make, its ridiculous.

Irish courts do not have jurisdiction over British courts and [now] vice versa. The procedure is banned in Ireland, and abortions still occur. This is true in every other country where abortion is outlawed.

Murder is banned too and yet it still happens.. Same with every other crime known to man.

What do you mean it hasn't been tried? Are you stupid or just ignorant?

What the hell are you talking about?

Lovely. An all male discussion about female rights. Keep at it boys.

If only it was just about a womans right.

Let us know when you, presumably a male, can get preggo.

But you'd fight for those child support payments..

Huh? What's that? More incongruity logic? Don't unseat Danno from his perpetual logicfail.