Bans 'do not cut abortion rate'

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The real question is can babies be grown in 0 Gs faster than on the surface of the planet?

Axlotl tanks

See what I mean about Sci Fi ideas?

Well cloning has been done to death as far as that goes - SF writers realised back in the 70's that cloning was a more viable technology than creating functional androids.

Except perhaps the one made of Philip K #######, which vanished under unusual circumstances.

[HAL 9000 96]

He had to deal with the responsibility of a woman that didn't want to close her legs.

[HannahP 119]

Oh man. I witnessed the saddest birth EVER on my recent OB clinical. It was a 22-weeker, born to a drug and alcohol abusing mom. It's crazy how they don't even look like babies at that age.

[HAL 9000 96]

Poor baby. Did it make it?

[_Simpson_ 250]

I guess you're selectively remembering that in this very thread (and others) I've stated my personal opinion on abortion.

You presume way too much. Something you have done previously and gotten pwned on repeatedly. Why is this?

So am I to understand you are for outlawing late term abortions?

I wouldn't be opposed to tightly regulating them, mainly due to the viability issue, but not outlawing them outright since its not my business controlling a woman's right to choose to end her pregnancy if things get to that point for her (pl).

Why is viability the key to moral worth?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Because then its survivability is not longer codependent on the mother.

Edited October 16, 2009 by Gene Hunt

[HAL 9000 96]

I guess you're selectively remembering that in this very thread (and others) I've stated my personal opinion on abortion.

You presume way too much. Something you have done previously and gotten pwned on repeatedly. Why is this?

So am I to understand you are for outlawing late term abortions?

I wouldn't be opposed to tightly regulating them, mainly due to the viability issue, but not outlawing them outright since its not my business controlling a woman's right to choose to end her pregnancy if things get to that point for her (pl).

Why is viability the key to moral worth?

It isn't- and I've stated more than a few times in this thread that they aren't dependent on each other.

[_Simpson_ 250]

I guess you're selectively remembering that in this very thread (and others) I've stated my personal opinion on abortion.

You presume way too much. Something you have done previously and gotten pwned on repeatedly. Why is this?

So am I to understand you are for outlawing late term abortions?

I wouldn't be opposed to tightly regulating them, mainly due to the viability issue, but not outlawing them outright since its not my business controlling a woman's right to choose to end her pregnancy if things get to that point for her (pl).

Why is viability the key to moral worth?

It isn't- and I've stated more than a few times in this thread that they aren't dependent on each other.

So whats the key, a womans judgement?

[HAL 9000 96]

I guess you're selectively remembering that in this very thread (and others) I've stated my personal opinion on abortion.

You presume way too much. Something you have done previously and gotten pwned on repeatedly. Why is this?

So am I to understand you are for outlawing late term abortions?

I wouldn't be opposed to tightly regulating them, mainly due to the viability issue, but not outlawing them outright since its not my business controlling a woman's right to choose to end her pregnancy if things get to that point for her (pl).

Why is viability the key to moral worth?

It isn't- and I've stated more than a few times in this thread that they aren't dependent on each other.

So whats the key, a womans judgement?

To the moral worth of having an abortion done? I'd probably say that woman's own moral compass. Not mine nor anyone else's.

[_Simpson_ 250]

Because then its survivability is not longer codependent on the mother.

Interesting, moral worth depends on independence. Survival of the fittest beast rears its ugly head.

Well this is our fundamental difference of opinion, I dont see us ever agreeing on this unless you have more to add.

[_Simpson_ 250]

To the moral worth of having an abortion done? I'd probably say that woman's own moral compass. Not mine nor anyone else's.

So this all hinges on the moral compass of the woman in question, that doesnt sound like a scientific answer.

[HAL 9000 96]

To the moral worth of having an abortion done? I'd probably say that woman's own moral compass. Not mine nor anyone else's.

So this all hinges on the moral compass of the woman in question, that doesnt sound like a scientific answer.

Well duh... morality and biology are independent for the most part- as I stated above.

[_Simpson_ 250]

Ok, well you have given me some stuff to think about and I will do just that

[HannahP 119]

Poor baby. Did it make it?

Right now, yes. They intubated him. Age of viability doesn't always equal age of optimal survival. At the best, he'll probably have some serious delays. (And end up in a foster care system that isn't really equipped to handle children like him, so he'll probably be institutionalized but that's neither here nor there. Because people like his birth mom don't want abortions -- they actually think that they can take care of their children.)

[Ban Hammer 13,348]

Poor baby. Did it make it?

Right now, yes. They intubated him. Age of viability doesn't always equal age of optimal survival. At the best, he'll probably have some serious delays. (And end up in a foster care system that isn't really equipped to handle children like him, so he'll probably be institutionalized but that's neither here nor there. Because people like his birth mom don't want abortions -- they actually think that they can take care of their children.)

people like his mom should be sterilized.