Bans 'do not cut abortion rate'

[Peikko 1,575]

I have a question for pro lifers, when is abortion a better option and why?

When the woman doesn't want to go through with the pregnancy and the associated bodily changes.

So were going to end a baby's life so the woman doesnt have to go thru the associated bodily changes, sad very sad.

We're not, she is - for reasons of her own.

I think he got hooked on the idea that her reasons must necessarily be cosmetic. Oh dear.

No Joe, you are wrong, again.

I didn't post a video Joe.

Can you repost the answer? I know you're taking glee in this, but here at work when I go back-forth-back-forth the site doesn't let me post.

Joe, I don't need to fear the wrathful consequences of a higher power upon death to conclude that some actions are wrong any more than you should do.

So there is right and wrong?

Actions have consequences Joe.

Unless you abort those consequences

No Joe you are now playing with semantics. All actions have consequences.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Why is it that the left starts sounding like Clinton at the Lewinsky trail when abortion is brought up. "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If the--if he--if 'is' means is and never has been, that is not--that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement....Now, if someone had asked me on that day, are you having any kind of sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky, that is, asked me a question in the present tense, I would have said no. And it would have been completely true." Who cares what the legal definiton of murder or baby is when at the heart of this whole debate is the concern we have for the fetus/baby. Some word technicality is not enough for me to think its ok.

I have a question for pro lifers, when is abortion a better option and why?

Why is it that conservatives are all for personal freedom, except when it comes to their own body?

What does some prioritized list of when or not an abortion is a good decision going to do? It is a personal decision that effects nobody but the person making it.

I say do whatever you want. Just don't let it affect someone else. Ex. killing someone.

What you do to yourself may or may not be a good thing, but it is your body (well it belongs to God if you're a "fundamentalist"), and you can do what you want with it. Including choosing to bring a baby into it. but you have a responsibility to the child at that point.

Pulling up dictionary definitions about religion is about as inane as it gets. Never mind the several thousand years of philosophy and theology, here comes Joe with Merriam Websters!

Ahh it only applies to things you say it does.. I see. I define word for word what something is, but a baby isn't a baby. This is coming together beautifully.

Here's where you're going wrong, Professor.

First: A system of belief that governs how people behave is ideology.

Second: Religion is ideology, but ideology is not necessarily religion.

Webster's would disagree with you. Unless that is also invalid as a resource now?

[Peikko 1,575]

Why is it that the left starts sounding like Clinton at the Lewinsky trail when abortion is brought up. "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If the--if he--if 'is' means is and never has been, that is not--that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement....Now, if someone had asked me on that day, are you having any kind of sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky, that is, asked me a question in the present tense, I would have said no. And it would have been completely true." Who cares what the legal definiton of murder or baby is when at the heart of this whole debate is the concern we have for the fetus/baby. Some word technicality is not enough for me to think its ok.

I have a question for pro lifers, when is abortion a better option and why?

Why is it that conservatives are all for personal freedom, except when it comes to their own body?

What does some prioritized list of when or not an abortion is a good decision going to do? It is a personal decision that effects nobody but the person making it.

I say do whatever you want. Just don't let it affect someone else. Ex. killing someone.

What you do to yourself may or may not be a good thing, but it is your body (well it belongs to God if you're a "fundamentalist"), and you can do what you want with it. Including choosing to bring a baby into it. but you have a responsibility to the child at that point.

At the point of live birth, this is true.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Nope - your only responsibility is to the law.

[Peikko 1,575]

Although, in reality most women consider the fetus as their responsibility and would not wish harm to come to it. However, sometimes circumstances are not favourable to bringing a fetus to live birth and hence we have the availability of abortion.

Edited October 16, 2009 by Madame Cleo

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Why is it that the left starts sounding like Clinton at the Lewinsky trail when abortion is brought up. "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If the--if he--if 'is' means is and never has been, that is not--that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement....Now, if someone had asked me on that day, are you having any kind of sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky, that is, asked me a question in the present tense, I would have said no. And it would have been completely true." Who cares what the legal definiton of murder or baby is when at the heart of this whole debate is the concern we have for the fetus/baby. Some word technicality is not enough for me to think its ok.

I have a question for pro lifers, when is abortion a better option and why?

Why is it that conservatives are all for personal freedom, except when it comes to their own body?

What does some prioritized list of when or not an abortion is a good decision going to do? It is a personal decision that effects nobody but the person making it.

I say do whatever you want. Just don't let it affect someone else. Ex. killing someone.

What you do to yourself may or may not be a good thing, but it is your body (well it belongs to God if you're a "fundamentalist"), and you can do what you want with it. Including choosing to bring a baby into it. but you have a responsibility to the child at that point.

At the point of live birth, this is true.

Ah so its not live before that milisecond?

[_Simpson_ 250]

Why is it that the left starts sounding like Clinton at the Lewinsky trail when abortion is brought up. "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If the--if he--if 'is' means is and never has been, that is not--that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement....Now, if someone had asked me on that day, are you having any kind of sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky, that is, asked me a question in the present tense, I would have said no. And it would have been completely true." Who cares what the legal definiton of murder or baby is when at the heart of this whole debate is the concern we have for the fetus/baby. Some word technicality is not enough for me to think its ok.

I have a question for pro lifers, when is abortion a better option and why?

Why is it that conservatives are all for personal freedom, except when it comes to their own body?

What does some prioritized list of when or not an abortion is a good decision going to do? It is a personal decision that effects nobody but the person making it.

We are all about individual freedom but what you dont get is that we dont see it as just a woman, we see it as a woman and a baby and no amount of word play is going to make us see differently. This is a moral issue.

Your wrong it effects the fetus, what you call prioritized list I call good decisions vs bad decisions. Adoption will always be a better option and a good decision.

[Peikko 1,575]

Why is it that the left starts sounding like Clinton at the Lewinsky trail when abortion is brought up. "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If the--if he--if 'is' means is and never has been, that is not--that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement....Now, if someone had asked me on that day, are you having any kind of sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky, that is, asked me a question in the present tense, I would have said no. And it would have been completely true." Who cares what the legal definiton of murder or baby is when at the heart of this whole debate is the concern we have for the fetus/baby. Some word technicality is not enough for me to think its ok.

I have a question for pro lifers, when is abortion a better option and why?

Why is it that conservatives are all for personal freedom, except when it comes to their own body?

What does some prioritized list of when or not an abortion is a good decision going to do? It is a personal decision that effects nobody but the person making it.

I say do whatever you want. Just don't let it affect someone else. Ex. killing someone.

What you do to yourself may or may not be a good thing, but it is your body (well it belongs to God if you're a "fundamentalist"), and you can do what you want with it. Including choosing to bring a baby into it. but you have a responsibility to the child at that point.

At the point of live birth, this is true.

Ah so its not live before that milisecond?

Fail.

[HAL 9000 96]

That's a wanting definition - it more accurately describes "ideology" than religion.

There's a lot of 'wanting' substituting for 'being.' Around here.

[Peikko 1,575]

Why is it that the left starts sounding like Clinton at the Lewinsky trail when abortion is brought up. "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If the--if he--if 'is' means is and never has been, that is not--that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement....Now, if someone had asked me on that day, are you having any kind of sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky, that is, asked me a question in the present tense, I would have said no. And it would have been completely true." Who cares what the legal definiton of murder or baby is when at the heart of this whole debate is the concern we have for the fetus/baby. Some word technicality is not enough for me to think its ok.

I have a question for pro lifers, when is abortion a better option and why?

Why is it that conservatives are all for personal freedom, except when it comes to their own body?

What does some prioritized list of when or not an abortion is a good decision going to do? It is a personal decision that effects nobody but the person making it.

We are all about individual freedom but what you dont get is that we dont see it as just a woman, we see it as a woman and a baby and no amount of word play is going to make us see differently. This is a moral issue.

Your wrong it effects the fetus, what you call prioritized list I call good decisions vs bad decisions. Adoption will always be a better option and a good decision.

A fetus can't be divorced from the mother and her decisions.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Webster's would disagree with you. Unless that is also invalid as a resource now?

Perhaps you need a bigger dictionary there, Joe.

religion

–noun 1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.

4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.

5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

7. religions, Archaic. religious rites.

8. Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion: a religion to one's vow.

—Idiom

9. get religion, Informal. a. to acquire a deep conviction of the validity of religious beliefs and practices.

b. to resolve to mend one's errant ways: The company got religion and stopped making dangerous products.

[HAL 9000 96]

Why is it that the left starts sounding like Clinton at the Lewinsky trail when abortion is brought up. "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If the--if he--if 'is' means is and never has been, that is not--that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement....Now, if someone had asked me on that day, are you having any kind of sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky, that is, asked me a question in the present tense, I would have said no. And it would have been completely true." Who cares what the legal definiton of murder or baby is when at the heart of this whole debate is the concern we have for the fetus/baby. Some word technicality is not enough for me to think its ok.

I have a question for pro lifers, when is abortion a better option and why?

Why is it that conservatives are all for personal freedom, except when it comes to their own body?

What does some prioritized list of when or not an abortion is a good decision going to do? It is a personal decision that effects nobody but the person making it.

I say do whatever you want. Just don't let it affect someone else. Ex. killing someone.

What you do to yourself may or may not be a good thing, but it is your body (well it belongs to God if you're a "fundamentalist"), and you can do what you want with it. Including choosing to bring a baby into it. but you have a responsibility to the child at that point.

Pulling up dictionary definitions about religion is about as inane as it gets. Never mind the several thousand years of philosophy and theology, here comes Joe with Merriam Websters!

Ahh it only applies to things you say it does.. I see. I define word for word what something is, but a baby isn't a baby. This is coming together beautifully.

Here's where you're going wrong, Professor.

First: A system of belief that governs how people behave is ideology.

Second: Religion is ideology, but ideology is not necessarily religion.

Webster's would disagree with you. Unless that is also invalid as a resource now?

Its only invalid if you prove yet again that you didn't understand the resource.

Ah so its not live before that milisecond?

Which is why third trimester abortions are very, very rare. Again, this comes from a biological definition you are confusing for a political one. Which is really... weird.

[_Simpson_ 250]

Why is it that the left starts sounding like Clinton at the Lewinsky trail when abortion is brought up. "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If the--if he--if 'is' means is and never has been, that is not--that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement....Now, if someone had asked me on that day, are you having any kind of sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky, that is, asked me a question in the present tense, I would have said no. And it would have been completely true." Who cares what the legal definiton of murder or baby is when at the heart of this whole debate is the concern we have for the fetus/baby. Some word technicality is not enough for me to think its ok.

I have a question for pro lifers, when is abortion a better option and why?

Why is it that conservatives are all for personal freedom, except when it comes to their own body?

What does some prioritized list of when or not an abortion is a good decision going to do? It is a personal decision that effects nobody but the person making it.

I say do whatever you want. Just don't let it affect someone else. Ex. killing someone.

What you do to yourself may or may not be a good thing, but it is your body (well it belongs to God if you're a "fundamentalist"), and you can do what you want with it. Including choosing to bring a baby into it. but you have a responsibility to the child at that point.

At the point of live birth, this is true.

Ah so its not live before that milisecond?

Isnt it sicking how they justify it because it was milisecond earlier and magically its all about the womans rights and not the fetus.

[HAL 9000 96]

Why is it that the left starts sounding like Clinton at the Lewinsky trail when abortion is brought up. "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If the--if he--if 'is' means is and never has been, that is not--that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement....Now, if someone had asked me on that day, are you having any kind of sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky, that is, asked me a question in the present tense, I would have said no. And it would have been completely true." Who cares what the legal definiton of murder or baby is when at the heart of this whole debate is the concern we have for the fetus/baby. Some word technicality is not enough for me to think its ok.

I have a question for pro lifers, when is abortion a better option and why?

Why is it that conservatives are all for personal freedom, except when it comes to their own body?

What does some prioritized list of when or not an abortion is a good decision going to do? It is a personal decision that effects nobody but the person making it.

We are all about individual freedom but what you dont get is that we dont see it as just a woman, we see it as a woman and a baby and no amount of word play is going to make us see differently. This is a moral issue.

Your wrong it effects the fetus, what you call prioritized list I call good decisions vs bad decisions. Adoption will always be a better option and a good decision.

So you believe that this option should be imposed in most cases?

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Webster's would disagree with you. Unless that is also invalid as a resource now?

Perhaps you need a bigger dictionary there, Joe.

religion

–noun 1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, esp. when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

2. a specific fundamental set of beliefs and practices generally agreed upon by a number of persons or sects: the Christian religion; the Buddhist religion.

3. the body of persons adhering to a particular set of beliefs and practices: a world council of religions.

4. the life or state of a monk, nun, etc.: to enter religion.

5. the practice of religious beliefs; ritual observance of faith.

6. something one believes in and follows devotedly; a point or matter of ethics or conscience: to make a religion of fighting prejudice.

7. religions, Archaic. religious rites.

8. Archaic. strict faithfulness; devotion: a religion to one's vow.

—Idiom

9. get religion, Informal. a. to acquire a deep conviction of the validity of religious beliefs and practices.

b. to resolve to mend one's errant ways: The company got religion and stopped making dangerous products.

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ba·by (bb)

n. pl. ba·bies

1.

a. A very young child; an infant.

b. An unborn child; a fetus.

c. The youngest member of a family or group.

d. A very young animal.

2. An adult or young person who behaves in an infantile way.

3. Slang A girl or young woman.

4. Informal Sweetheart; dear. Used as a term of endearment.

5. Slang An object of personal concern or interest: Keeping the boat in good repair is your baby.