Bans 'do not cut abortion rate'

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Yeah it is. A Belief system that governs how one behaves. Definitely a religion.

Yet another vocabulary word to check for you. Procrastinating on your homework won't help you for the test.

Best not confuse theistic religion with non-theistic causal religion, of which atheism does not necessarily delve into.

Good job - you looked up the definition just now.

Unfortunately there are several definitions of it which Atheism falls into. However, I don't need those to determine that it is a religion. Because it is a belief that governs behavior. You can't deny that.

1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God.

2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I think all anyone has said here is that they support the fundamental right to choose. Choice for the individual to decide what is best with them and have all the information and support they need to make the decision that's right for them.

It has nothing to do with making anyone "feel better" about it.

I'm sure in an ideal world everyone would have a chance at life and that the only pregnancies that would take place would be within stable, monogamous relationships. Sadly, it isn't an ideal world and this isn't the case.

Sometimes people have to make difficult, life-altering decisions - its part of being an adult. What you don't do is force everyone to obey a skewed conception of religious morality that doesn't consider the consequences of what it requires.

[HAL 9000 96]

Again, 'choice' is part of the responsibility. You make it sound like a consequence- something a bit different. But I would like to know how one can control something you don't want people doing... which is technically- none of anyone's business other than they themselves doing the deed unless you're somehow in on it.

I dont make it sound like that, i have went over and over on the specifics. Its a possibility, I think I even used those words. When theres a life at stake I think thats the overriding issue and my main reason for wanting people to not have the abortion option.

Is it my business??? Thats like saying the bad things that go on in this world are ok(or up to the person to determine if it is) and not my business if I am some how not in on it.

I haven't confused your moral take on 'saving a life' trust me. Beyond Joe's idiosyncratic interpretation of a human life as one that isn't really well-rooted in actual biology or clearly set in a legal sense, and in your case, you merely need to clearly state at what point that 'life' is a viable entity capable of actual survival without the mother. Since you haven't demonstrated a clear understanding of the differences in viability and dependence as a critical factor distinguishing the two, we'll continue to be at odds about what it really means to impose morals during a pregnancy.

[Peikko 1,575]

It's not a belief system Joe.

[The_Dude 1,142]

Silly Hal, just because reference books and scholars say what defines things such as what constitutes a baby or a fetus and what a religion is or is not does not mean anything. Joelogic is the be all end all source material for all points of reference.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

No Joe, you are wrong, again.

I didn't post a video Joe.

Can you repost the answer? I know you're taking glee in this, but here at work when I go back-forth-back-forth the site doesn't let me post.

Joe, I don't need to fear the wrathful consequences of a higher power upon death to conclude that some actions are wrong any more than you should do.

So there is right and wrong?

[HAL 9000 96]

Joe, are you really that naive? Truthfully?

You didn't answer my questions

And you never answered mine.

I won't regurgitate the liberal definition of what is an isn't a baby. My question is at least valid.

Your questions are based on your skewed vision of reality. Now, get on with defining things as you want them to be, and you'll continue to be ridiculed for confusing your mouth for your #######.

Being ridiculed by you honors me

How many ways do you need to ridicule yourself in one thread where you whine for substance yet show none?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

So there is right and wrong?

Of course there is. But you don't hold the monopoly on it.

[HAL 9000 96]

A fetus isn't an individual Joe. Not now, not ever.

What if the law says it is one day?

Based upon what factor(s)?

What does it matter? Its the law?

Law is supposed to be made according to informed decision-making. If you didn't catch that in your civics classes then perhaps you are more ignorant than everyone else here has already concluded you to be. So yes, Joe, it matters a great deal.

"do your homework"

You really need to get out more.

A baby is a baby.

I see. What was that again about substance?

Weren't you whining about knowing more about circular logic a few posts ago? Get some gingko biloba for that.

You know what a baby is. You're trying to use the liberal terminology to make yourself feel better. Thats all. You support it, so you gotta make it feel good for you.

No, remember, this is all about you Joe. My grades in school have nothing to do with yours, but clearly the difference here between you and all the other pupils in the classroom are evident.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Silly Hal, just because reference books and scholars say what defines things such as what constitutes a baby or a fetus and what a religion is or is not does not mean anything. Joelogic is the be all end all source material for all points of reference.

There are plenty of scholars and reference books that would disagree with you.

[The_Dude 1,142]

Silly Hal, just because reference books and scholars say what defines things such as what constitutes a baby or a fetus and what a religion is or is not does not mean anything. Joelogic is the be all end all source material for all points of reference.

There are plenty of scholars and reference books that would disagree with you.

There are scholars who have written about JoeLogic? Do you have your own university? Please do point me to the scholars and books who agree that JoeLogic is correct.

[HAL 9000 96]

Yeah it is. A Belief system that governs how one behaves. Definitely a religion.

Yet another vocabulary word to check for you. Procrastinating on your homework won't help you for the test.

Best not confuse theistic religion with non-theistic causal religion, of which atheism does not necessarily delve into.

Good job - you looked up the definition just now.

Unfortunately there are several definitions of it which Atheism falls into. However, I don't need those to determine that it is a religion. Because it is a belief that governs behavior. You can't deny that.

1. the doctrine or belief that there is no God.

2. disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.

Actually, I did not search like you did a while ago. A-theism vs Theism. Simple as that. You may want to consider re-reading yet another previous post.

Silly Hal, just because reference books and scholars say what defines things such as what constitutes a baby or a fetus and what a religion is or is not does not mean anything. Joelogic is the be all end all source material for all points of reference.

It is silly isn't it? It must also be liberal.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Pulling up dictionary definitions about religion is about as inane as it gets. Never mind the several thousand years of philosophy and theology, here comes Joe with Merriam Websters!

[_Simpson_ 250]

Why is it that the left starts sounding like Clinton at the Lewinsky trial when abortion is brought up -

"It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If the--if he--if 'is' means is and never has been, that is not--that is one thing. If it means there is none, that was a completely true statement....Now, if someone had asked me on that day, are you having any kind of sexual relations with Ms. Lewinsky, that is, asked me a question in the present tense, I would have said no. And it would have been completely true."

Who cares what the legal definiton of murder or baby is when at the heart of this whole debate is the concern we have for the fetus/baby. Some word technicality is not enough for me to think its ok.

I have a question for pro-life people, when is abortion a better option than adoption and why?

Edited October 16, 2009 by _Simpson_

[Peikko 1,575]

No Joe, you are wrong, again.

I didn't post a video Joe.

Can you repost the answer? I know you're taking glee in this, but here at work when I go back-forth-back-forth the site doesn't let me post.

Joe, I don't need to fear the wrathful consequences of a higher power upon death to conclude that some actions are wrong any more than you should do.

So there is right and wrong?

Actions have consequences Joe.