Bans 'do not cut abortion rate'

[Peikko 1,575]

No Joe, you are wrong, again.

I didn't post a video Joe.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

So you admit that its killing. Thats one step. Now is the baby innocent or guilty? BTW - If you say it really big, it doesn't make it any more true.

Killing isn't murder, Joe.

[HAL 9000 96]

A fetus isn't an individual Joe. Not now, not ever.

I'm wondering how many more pages can be squeezed out of Joe's circular logic and blunt thinking.

No circular. A baby is a baby. Thats all.

But a fetus isn't a baby in the sense of murder.

As I'm sure you know people are conferred certain rights and legal protections when you're born or when you reach the ages of 16, 18 and 21. Barring some very narrow distinctions, that doesn't apply to developing fetuses - which are deemed the biological property of the mother.

Doesn't matter if chocolate is deemed broccoli - its still chocolate.

So how does an atheist know that murder is bad?

Ok - I don't see a bald statement in a question with no answers.

Are you now saying you know the answer already?

If you don't want to answer the question its fine. But the statement was made that you only get morality from religion. And I asked the question as a follow up. (even though Atheism is technically a religion).

Technically, it is not. See the word, see the concept.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

No Joe, you are wrong, again.

I didn't post a video Joe.

Can you repost the answer? I know you're taking glee in this, but here at work when I go back-forth-back-forth the site doesn't let me post.

[HAL 9000 96]

A fetus isn't an individual Joe. Not now, not ever.

I'm wondering how many more pages can be squeezed out of Joe's circular logic and blunt thinking.

No circular. A baby is a baby. Thats all.

But a fetus isn't a baby in the sense of murder.

As I'm sure you know people are conferred certain rights and legal protections when you're born or when you reach the ages of 16, 18 and 21. Barring some very narrow distinctions, that doesn't apply to developing fetuses - which are deemed the biological property of the mother.

Doesn't matter if chocolate is deemed broccoli - its still chocolate.

Whatever you want to call it - its still the biological property of the mother.

No - the right answer is - No matter what you want to call it - its still a baby and killing babies is murder.

What's a baby? What's murder?

Your definition is at odds with the real definition.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

A fetus isn't an individual Joe. Not now, not ever.

I'm wondering how many more pages can be squeezed out of Joe's circular logic and blunt thinking.

No circular. A baby is a baby. Thats all.

But a fetus isn't a baby in the sense of murder.

As I'm sure you know people are conferred certain rights and legal protections when you're born or when you reach the ages of 16, 18 and 21. Barring some very narrow distinctions, that doesn't apply to developing fetuses - which are deemed the biological property of the mother.

Doesn't matter if chocolate is deemed broccoli - its still chocolate.

So how does an atheist know that murder is bad?

Ok - I don't see a bald statement in a question with no answers.

Are you now saying you know the answer already?

If you don't want to answer the question its fine. But the statement was made that you only get morality from religion. And I asked the question as a follow up. (even though Atheism is technically a religion).

Technically, it is not. See the word, see the concept.

Yeah it is. A Belief system that governs how one behaves. Definitely a religion.

[HAL 9000 96]

Joe, are you really that naive? Truthfully?

You didn't answer my questions

And you never answered mine.

I won't regurgitate the liberal definition of what is an isn't a baby. My question is at least valid.

Your questions are based on your skewed vision of reality. Now, get on with defining things as you want them to be, and you'll continue to be ridiculed for confusing your mouth for your #######.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Anyone coming to evening anti-mass tonight at the atheist church?

[_Simpson_ 250]

Again, 'choice' is part of the responsibility. You make it sound like a consequence- something a bit different. But I would like to know how one can control something you don't want people doing... which is technically- none of anyone's business other than they themselves doing the deed unless you're somehow in on it.

I dont make it sound like that, i have went over and over on the specifics. Its a possibility, I think I even used those words. When theres a life at stake I think thats the overriding issue and my main reason for wanting people to not have the abortion option.

Is it my business??? Thats like saying the bad things that go on in this world are ok(or up to the person to determine if it is) and not my business if I am some how not in on it.

[HAL 9000 96]

A fetus isn't an individual Joe. Not now, not ever.

What if the law says it is one day?

Based upon what factor(s)?

What does it matter? Its the law?

Law is supposed to be made according to informed decision-making. If you didn't catch that in your civics classes then perhaps you are more ignorant than everyone else here has already concluded you to be. So yes, Joe, it matters a great deal.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Joe, are you really that naive? Truthfully?

You didn't answer my questions

And you never answered mine.

I won't regurgitate the liberal definition of what is an isn't a baby. My question is at least valid.

Your questions are based on your skewed vision of reality. Now, get on with defining things as you want them to be, and you'll continue to be ridiculed for confusing your mouth for your #######.

Being ridiculed by you honors me

[HAL 9000 96]

A baby is a baby.

I see. What was that again about substance?

Weren't you whining about knowing more about circular logic a few posts ago? Get some gingko biloba for that.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

A fetus isn't an individual Joe. Not now, not ever.

What if the law says it is one day?

Based upon what factor(s)?

What does it matter? Its the law?

Law is supposed to be made according to informed decision-making. If you didn't catch that in your civics classes then perhaps you are more ignorant than everyone else here has already concluded you to be. So yes, Joe, it matters a great deal.

"do your homework"

You really need to get out more.

A baby is a baby.

I see. What was that again about substance?

Weren't you whining about knowing more about circular logic a few posts ago? Get some gingko biloba for that.

You know what a baby is. You're trying to use the liberal terminology to make yourself feel better. Thats all. You support it, so you gotta make it feel good for you.

[Peikko 1,575]

No Joe, you are wrong, again.

I didn't post a video Joe.

Can you repost the answer? I know you're taking glee in this, but here at work when I go back-forth-back-forth the site doesn't let me post.

Joe, I don't need to fear the wrathful consequences of a higher power upon death to conclude that some actions are wrong any more than you should do.

Edited October 16, 2009 by Madame Cleo

[HAL 9000 96]

Yeah it is. A Belief system that governs how one behaves. Definitely a religion.

Yet another vocabulary word to check for you. Procrastinating on your homework won't help you for the test.

Best not confuse theistic religion with non-theistic causal religion, of which atheism does not necessarily delve into.