Bans 'do not cut abortion rate'

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Steeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-rike!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I don't really get why Strike posts on here anymore - pretty much all he posts are drive-by one-liners.

[HAL 9000 96]

Joe, your idea of what constitutes rational debate is about equivalent to this guy's concept of engineering physics.

Its not a debate when I'm pointing out blatent hypocrisy. And everyone here knows it. HAL does the www.google.com post on a daily basis, but I'm "not an adult" if i do it. I suppose thats because libs have no standards for themselves, but conservatives do, so therefore we're really the ones breaking the rules because you have no rules.

Way to prove my point.

I see, so only the libs can use that copout... I get it..

What copout?

That this post is the work of a supposedly mature adult?

This is why I said generally. Do your homework and look up the definition of generally. Here's some help www.google.com or you can use www.dictionary.com ...

I wonder if when Hal does it on a daily basis that you would feel the same way?

Your comments illustrate exactly what I wanted to happen. Your hypocrisy in full form. Its only "adult" to make those posts when a lib does it.

That is pretty hilarious. Two days straight and Joe 'gets' liberals more than they get themselves. Way to go hero.

As long as you're happy, thats all that matters.

I don't need VJ to influence my mood or to use as a keypound arena- even when my POV doesn't make sense.

Well at least you admit that they don't. Admission is the first step.

If Joe weren't so ignorant of reality and facts, he'd be one hell of a troll

*yawn* another worn out copout.

Poor kid. People that aren't dumb also know to keep their incoherent POV to themselves.

[Ban Hammer 13,656]

Let us know when you, presumably a male, can get preggo.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=161892

[Joseph & Ana 0]

"you aren't making a coherant blah blah" "you can't articulate" "you don't understant"

You people are the ones who cannot defend the deaths of 45 million innocent lives and it bugs you. It should..

And "Striker" is right. Arguing with idiots... I'll quit while I'm ahead.

[Peikko 1,575]

"you aren't making a coherant blah blah" "you can't articulate" "you don't understant"

You people are the ones who cannot defend the deaths of 45 million innocent lives and it bugs you. It should..

And "Striker" is right. Arguing with idiots... I'll quit while I'm ahead.

Self proclaimed victory is so very, very shallow.

I don't cry for all those fetus - fetal survival is not guaranteed in nature, it should not be guaranteed by constitution, nor is it.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

You were ahead?

In terms of emotional overreaction (not that you really "care" of course), perhaps.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

"you aren't making a coherant blah blah" "you can't articulate" "you don't understant"

You people are the ones who cannot defend the deaths of 45 million innocent lives and it bugs you. It should..

And "Striker" is right. Arguing with idiots... I'll quit while I'm ahead.

[HAL 9000 96]

Let us know when you, presumably a male, can get preggo.

http://www.visajourney.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=161892

"you aren't making a coherant blah blah" "you can't articulate" "you don't understant"

You people are the ones who cannot defend the deaths of 45 million innocent lives and it bugs you. It should..

And "Striker" is right. Arguing with idiots... I'll quit while I'm ahead.

bye winner.

[SMR 368]

Lovely. An all male discussion about female rights. Keep at it boys.

I'm a little confused as to why abortion is a debate about female rights.

1. Biological fathers have parental rights and responsibilities which are legally valid in court. Unless this is the case, fathers can not be legally obligated to support their children. However, we all know that child support is enforceable in court.

2. Babies have a right to life. Not all babies are girls.

[HAL 9000 96]

Oh brother... or sister...

[Peikko 1,575]

A fetus is not considered as a separate entity from the point of view of human rights prior to birth.

[SMR 368]

A fetus is not considered as a separate entity from the point of view of human rights prior to birth.

Many people would disagree. That's the point. The abortion argument essentially boils down to whether or not the fetus can be considered as a human with rights of its own. If you take as a premise that the baby doesn't have rights, you're correct in saying that the debate is pretty pointless.

Either way, it's not a debate about female rights. It's a debate about fetus rights.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

A fetus is not considered as a separate entity from the point of view of human rights prior to birth.

Many people would disagree. That's the point. The abortion argument essentially boils down to whether or not the fetus can be considered as a human with rights of its own. If you take as a premise that the baby doesn't have rights, you're correct in saying that the debate is pretty pointless.

Either way, it's not a debate about female rights. It's a debate about fetus rights.

No such thing. Not in the laws of this country.

[HAL 9000 96]

A fetus is not considered as a separate entity from the point of view of human rights prior to birth.

Many people would disagree. That's the point. The abortion argument essentially boils down to whether or not the fetus can be considered as a human with rights of its own. If you take as a premise that the baby doesn't have rights, you're correct in saying that the debate is pretty pointless.

Either way, it's not a debate about female rights. It's a debate about fetus rights.

The way the 'law' considers it- female rights trumps any consideration of fetal rights based on X, Y, and Z factors that are quite clear. I understand the moral argument and some folks should just stick with that.