Sweeping health bill passes Senate panel (SFC)

[rebeccajo 14]

Germany actually manages to provide very generous social services (including a very good public healthcare system with supplemental private insurance) while keeping the infrastructure in a very good condition.

sounds like a great country for the lazy.

in other words, a socialist paradise.

the german g/f i had about a decade ago complained constantly about the co-pays going up and up and up.

sounds like a tri-care patient

Germany actually manages to provide very generous social services (including a very good public healthcare system with supplemental private insurance) while keeping the infrastructure in a very good condition.

sounds like a great country for the lazy.

in other words, a socialist paradise.

Put it this way - public money over there appears to be better spent than it is here.

i disagree. enabling the lazy is not a superior policy objective. dropping a bomb on a camel is.

Ok you made me seriously laugh......

[Ban Hammer 13,346]

Germany actually manages to provide very generous social services (including a very good public healthcare system with supplemental private insurance) while keeping the infrastructure in a very good condition.

sounds like a great country for the lazy.

in other words, a socialist paradise.

the german g/f i had about a decade ago complained constantly about the co-pays going up and up and up.

sounds like a tri-care patient

or the average usc about their hmo

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Germany actually manages to provide very generous social services (including a very good public healthcare system with supplemental private insurance) while keeping the infrastructure in a very good condition.

sounds like a great country for the lazy.

in other words, a socialist paradise.

Put it this way - public money over there appears to be better spent than it is here.

i disagree. enabling the lazy is not a superior policy objective. dropping a bomb on a camel is.

Well I have to admit (channelling BY here), whenever I hear US politicians vociferously describe the US as the envy of the world in terms of healthcare or what have you, I get the image of someone painting lipstick on a pig.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

I don't have an hmo, but I do have a ppo. And I'm a usc, but I don't know about being 'average'.

That said... I don't moan about copays. I know many do, I don't mind them. I don't even mind paying the ever increasing premiums (since they're still affordable). What I mind is the goddamn games insurance companies play when there's a large claim. I've been paying premiums since I started working full time in 1999. Stop fuсking with me already and just pay the fuсking claim.

[rebeccajo 14]

Germany actually manages to provide very generous social services (including a very good public healthcare system with supplemental private insurance) while keeping the infrastructure in a very good condition.

sounds like a great country for the lazy.

in other words, a socialist paradise.

the german g/f i had about a decade ago complained constantly about the co-pays going up and up and up.

sounds like a tri-care patient

or the average usc about their hmo

There's nothing 'average' about Tri-Care. It's stellar coverage.

I just did insurance verifications on three patients with Tri-Care Standard. Two of them had whopping (sarcasm) deductibles of $50 - the other was $150. All three had out-of-pockets of $1000 - that's a deductible for most people. The cost share for all three was 85/15.

These folks will pay between $200 and $300 this fiscal year (TriCare year runs 10/1 to 9/30 as all government stuff does) and then services will pay out at 100%.

Don't ever take this as me saying you and other members with military service don't deserve this. Cause you know that's not what I mean. But the grumling about Tri-Care? Seems really uncalled for IMO. You've got something really great. Be thankful for it.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I don't have an hmo, but I do have a ppo. And I'm a usc, but I don't know about being 'average'.

That said... I don't moan about copays. I know many do, I don't mind them. I don't even mind paying the ever increasing premiums (since they're still affordable). What I mind is the goddamn games insurance companies play when there's a large claim. I've been paying premiums since I started working full time in 1999. Stop fuсking with me already and just pay the fuсking claim.

I don't mind the co-pays or the premiums, but I do mind the after service charges that you can't predict or budget for.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

I don't have an hmo, but I do have a ppo. And I'm a usc, but I don't know about being 'average'.

That said... I don't moan about copays. I know many do, I don't mind them. I don't even mind paying the ever increasing premiums (since they're still affordable). What I mind is the goddamn games insurance companies play when there's a large claim. I've been paying premiums since I started working full time in 1999. Stop fuсking with me already and just pay the fuсking claim.

I don't mind the co-pays or the premiums, but I do mind the after service charges that you can't predict or budget for.

Yup.

[Ban Hammer 13,346]

Germany actually manages to provide very generous social services (including a very good public healthcare system with supplemental private insurance) while keeping the infrastructure in a very good condition.

sounds like a great country for the lazy.

in other words, a socialist paradise.

the german g/f i had about a decade ago complained constantly about the co-pays going up and up and up.

sounds like a tri-care patient

or the average usc about their hmo

There's nothing 'average' about Tri-Care. It's stellar coverage.

I just did insurance verifications on three patients with Tri-Care Standard. Two of them had whopping (sarcasm) deductibles of $50 - the other was $150. All three had out-of-pockets of $1000 - that's a deductible for most people. The cost share for all three was 85/15.

These folks will pay between $200 and $300 this fiscal year (TriCare year runs 10/1 to 9/30 as all government stuff does) and then services will pay out at 100%.

Don't ever take this as me saying you and other members with military service don't deserve this. Cause you know that's not what I mean. But the grumling about Tri-Care? Seems really uncalled for IMO. You've got something really great. Be thankful for it.

until congress raises the yearly payment by 12 times.....but i don't expect you'd be aware of that.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I don't have an hmo, but I do have a ppo. And I'm a usc, but I don't know about being 'average'.

That said... I don't moan about copays. I know many do, I don't mind them. I don't even mind paying the ever increasing premiums (since they're still affordable). What I mind is the goddamn games insurance companies play when there's a large claim. I've been paying premiums since I started working full time in 1999. Stop fuсking with me already and just pay the fuсking claim.

I don't mind the co-pays or the premiums, but I do mind the after service charges that you can't predict or budget for.

Yup.

I should add that I think the co-pays are sufficient to encourage people not to overconsume and go to the doctor for every little thing, but the after service charges are enough to put you off entirely.

I still can't believe they billed me $300 to have a nasal blood vessel cauterised. That's routine!

Edited October 14, 2009 by Gene Hunt

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

I don't have an hmo, but I do have a ppo. And I'm a usc, but I don't know about being 'average'.

That said... I don't moan about copays. I know many do, I don't mind them. I don't even mind paying the ever increasing premiums (since they're still affordable). What I mind is the goddamn games insurance companies play when there's a large claim. I've been paying premiums since I started working full time in 1999. Stop fuсking with me already and just pay the fuсking claim.

I don't mind the co-pays or the premiums, but I do mind the after service charges that you can't predict or budget for.

Yup.

I should add that I think the co-pays are sufficient to encourage people not to overconsume and go to the doctor for every little thing, but the after service charges are enough to put you off entirely.

I still can't believe they billed me $300 to have a nasal blood vessel cauterised. That's routine!

Heck, you could do that yourself. They should sell cauterization kits at CVS.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I don't have an hmo, but I do have a ppo. And I'm a usc, but I don't know about being 'average'.

That said... I don't moan about copays. I know many do, I don't mind them. I don't even mind paying the ever increasing premiums (since they're still affordable). What I mind is the goddamn games insurance companies play when there's a large claim. I've been paying premiums since I started working full time in 1999. Stop fuсking with me already and just pay the fuсking claim.

I don't mind the co-pays or the premiums, but I do mind the after service charges that you can't predict or budget for.

Yup.

I should add that I think the co-pays are sufficient to encourage people not to overconsume and go to the doctor for every little thing, but the after service charges are enough to put you off entirely.

I still can't believe they billed me $300 to have a nasal blood vessel cauterised. That's routine!

Heck, you could do that yourself. They should sell cauterization kits at CVS.

The funny thing is it didn't work - I still get the bleeds.

Do I want to go back? Hell no.

[rebeccajo 14]

Germany actually manages to provide very generous social services (including a very good public healthcare system with supplemental private insurance) while keeping the infrastructure in a very good condition.

sounds like a great country for the lazy.

in other words, a socialist paradise.

the german g/f i had about a decade ago complained constantly about the co-pays going up and up and up.

sounds like a tri-care patient

or the average usc about their hmo

There's nothing 'average' about Tri-Care. It's stellar coverage.

I just did insurance verifications on three patients with Tri-Care Standard. Two of them had whopping (sarcasm) deductibles of $50 - the other was $150. All three had out-of-pockets of $1000 - that's a deductible for most people. The cost share for all three was 85/15.

These folks will pay between $200 and $300 this fiscal year (TriCare year runs 10/1 to 9/30 as all government stuff does) and then services will pay out at 100%.

Don't ever take this as me saying you and other members with military service don't deserve this. Cause you know that's not what I mean. But the grumling about Tri-Care? Seems really uncalled for IMO. You've got something really great. Be thankful for it.

until congress raises the yearly payment by 12 times.....but i don't expect you'd be aware of that.

I've read there are proposed changes. Right now that's all they are - proposed. You know and I know you've got advocacy groups lobbying to protect veterans interest. Again - better than what the average citizen has. With regular commercial coverage the company can just jack the premiums, co-pays, out of pockets and deductibles at whim.

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

Germany actually manages to provide very generous social services (including a very good public healthcare system with supplemental private insurance) while keeping the infrastructure in a very good condition.

sounds like a great country for the lazy.

in other words, a socialist paradise.

the german g/f i had about a decade ago complained constantly about the co-pays going up and up and up.

Healthcare costs in U.S. vs. Germany (2006)

UNITED STATES: 15.9 pct of GDP, $6,657 per capita

GERMANY: 10.7 pct of GDP, $3,628 per capita

Coverage US vs. Germany (2008):

UNITED STATES: 82%

GERMANY: 99.8%

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Wow. It'll take a heck of a lot of perfume and lipstick to make that pig look pretty.

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Wow. It'll take a heck of a lot of perfume and lipstick to make that pig look pretty.

Our system makes sure the undeserving do not get insured.

The German system rewards failure.