Social Security Numbers

[DaleAndMin 0]

I am a bit confused by the when, where, and how of K1 fiancee's can obtain social security Numbers.

I have been led to believe that the K1 visa allows the finacee to apply for a social security number, at least once married, but have no clue what the vehicle / path used to get it is.

And, for the children who came in with K2 visa's, is a social security number obtainable via the same method?

Thansk in advance, so confusing...

[pnd629 0]

A social security number/card is obtained from a Social Security office. If you go to their website, you will be able to locate an office near you. All the instructions about how to get a SSN are available on their website too.

[I'm Gone 60]

K-2s can't be assigned a work authorized SSN without an EAD card, so for the child you either spring for the EAD card or wait until the AOS is approved and the child is isued an I-551 stamp or card. If you need a number for when tax time rolls around apply to IRS for an ITIN.

SSA will not assign an SSN or issue a card if her status has expired or is within 14 days of expiring.

K-1 status is good for 90 days, so that only gives her 76 days to be

assigned an SSN and issued a card. After that time she will need an EAD

or I-551 card to establish authorization to work. Before that time the

I-94 showing K-1 status is the document that establishes authorization

to work for SSN purposes.

The status/documents of all aliens must be verified before SSA will

assign an SSN and/or issue a card and the 14 day limit applies even if

she passes the 76th day while waiting for her status to be verified.

The SSA office will try to verify her status through the SAVE system

while she is in the office. If they can't, they will send a form G-845

to immigration for manual verification. This could delay the assigning

of an SSN and/or issuing a card for weeks and some times months.

If the SSA office does send the G-845, suggest that she go back to the

SSA office no more than once a week with your documents to (1) ask them

to check SAVE again (2) ask if they sent a G-845 (3) if yes, did it come

back (4) after 30 days ask if they have followed up on the G-845 by

calling or sending another mark "second request."

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http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203720

RM 00203.720 Verifying Immigration Documents

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http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203735

RM 00203.735 Requesting Online (Primary) Verification By SAVE

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After having waited at least 30 days and your local SSA office doesn't

seen concerned about following up on the G-845 she can try contacting

the SSA Regional Office (RO) responsible for your state:

http://www.ssa.gov/pressoffice/natlpocontacts.html

Refer them to this:

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203740

RM 00203.740 Requesting Additional (Manual) Verification By DHS

B. PROCEDURE – HOW TO REQUEST MANUAL VERIFICATION

STEP 6

DHS should respond to SSA within 15 federal work days after receiving

the Form G-845. If DHS does not respond within 15 federal work days from

the receipt of the G-845 from SSA, follow-up with the DHS, USCIS

Immigration Status office. (Allow 15 days plus five additional federal

work days of mail time for the G-845 to be received at and returned from

DHS.

Follow local practice to follow-up with DHS. Some SSA offices have an

arrangement with the DHS, USCIS office to telephone for the follow-up

contact; other SSA offices send a copy of the original G-845 annotated

“second request.”) If the DHS response is still not received within 15

federal work days after the follow-up contact (if the follow-up is by

mail allow five additional federal work days of mail time for the G-845

to be received at and returned from DHS), make a second follow-up

contact. If the DHS response is not received within 15 federal workdays

(again, if the follow-up is by mail, allow five additional federal work

days of mail time for the G-845 to be received at and returned from

DHS), after two follow-ups, contact the RO. Also report to the RO any trend that shows a serious

deviation by DHS from the above time frames. The RO will consult with central office.

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Suggest that she take your birth certificate, passport and I-94 when going to apply. That should cover age, identity and work authorized alien status.

When applying for the name change proof of age is not required.

Find local SSA office"

http://www.ssa.gov/locator

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http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203210

RM 00203.210 Changing Numident Data

a. Bride Takes Groom’s Last Name

In all 50 U.S. States (this means the 50 States, Washington, D.C., Puerto Rico, U.S. Virgin Islands,

Guam, Northern Mariana Islands, and American Samoa) the bride may take her husband's last name

(surname or family name) as her new last name. (EXAMPLE: Jane Doe married John Jones and she may

change her name to Jane Jones.)

Interim Guidance: If the bride wants to take her husband's last name, accept the marriage document

as a legal name change for the bride if the new name can be derived from the marriage document; even

if the marriage document only shows each partner's first names, the bride's prior surname and

husband's surname. The marriage document alone can be accepted as evidence of identity for both the

old and new names when it meets the criteria described in RM 00203.200G.2.

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http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203200#G2

2. Determine if the ID Document Has Required Information

Ask the applicant to submit one or more documents that show the person's name AND provide:

Biographical information in addition to the person's name that the reviewer can compare with the

data on the SS-5 (e.g., date of birth, age, or parents' names) and/or

Physical information that the reviewer can compare with the applicant (e.g., physical description,

photograph).

NOTE: A non-picture identity document must have the person's name as well as information that can be

compared to the Numident, the applicant or other documents submitted (e.g., age, date of birth, or

parents' names).

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C. Procedure - Immigration Document as Evidence of Legal Name

When issuing immigration documents, the Department of State and DHS issue them in the person's legal

name. The legal name is also generally the name in which the foreign passport was issued.

When an alien applies for an SSN card, presume the name on the immigration document is the legal

name unless the applicant presents evidence of a legal name change (e.g., marriage) that occurred

after the immigration document was issued.

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RM 00203.735 Requesting Online (Primary) Verification By SAVE

E. PROCEDURE—ONLINE SAVE QUERY RESPONSE INFORMATION DOES NOT AGREE WITH IMMIGRATION DOCUMENT

1. Name

e. Applicant Has Changed His/Her Name But SAVE Query Response Shows Old Name

In some cases, the applicant may have changed his/her name after DHS

issued the immigration document (e.g., he/she has married and is now

using the spouse’s last name) but does not present an immigration

document showing the new name. In these cases, the DHS system reflects

the new name only when the person provided the name change information

to DHS and requested to have his/her immigration record changed to show

the new name.

When the SAVE query response shows the old name that is shown on the

immigration document presented and not the new name on the identity

document presented, do not consider this a name discrepancy for

enumeration purposes. See RM 00203.200 when the applicant presents an

identity document in the new name that is more recent than the

immigration document to determine if the identity document is

acceptable. Tell the applicant he/she must report the name change to DHS

so that DHS can update its records.

NOTE FROM ME: Procedure tells the SSA office to tell you to report the

name change to DHS, not that the application can't be processed.

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[soulm8z0928 0]

if u go 2 the downloads section of this sight and then select "other useful forms", u will find this form for d/l:

SSN K-1 Authorization: This file is an notice to all SSA offices that authorizes any valid K-1 holder to be issued a SSN. You do NOT need a EAD to get a SSN while you have a vaild K-1. Bring this memo with you! Not all offices are aware that you can be issued a SSN and they may tell you that you need an EAD!

good luck!

[oripon 0]

I am a bit confused by the when, where, and how of K1 fiancee's can obtain social security Numbers.

I have been led to believe that the K1 visa allows the finacee to apply for a social security number, at least once married, but have no clue what the vehicle / path used to get it is.

NO!NO!NO!

Be careful! while your status is K1 Visa, you can apply for the SS#.

Once you get married, the status is changed, your status is no longer K1.

It is gonnna be in petition for GC.

Some of my friends were denied to get SS# after their marriages.

On the web site, they say that K1 Visa holder can get SS#. (not for the status in petition for GC)

But if you are lucky, you may be able to get SS# after the marridge.

If you are unlucky as well as my friends, you have to wait SS# till you get the GC. ( that is pretty annoying!)

Good luck

I hope my advice is not too late.

If you are already married, you can still try to go there and apply for it. It is up to the stuffs and the office if they deny it or not. So try every office as you can do.

[I'm Gone 60]

SSN K-1 Authorization: This file is an notice to all SSA offices that authorizes any valid K-1 holder to be issued a SSN. You do NOT need a EAD to get a SSN while you have a vaild K-1. Bring this memo with you! Not all offices are aware that you can be issued a SSN and they may tell you that you need an EAD!

SSA will not assign an SSN or issue a card if her status has expired or is within 14 days of expiring.

K-1 status is good for 90 days, so that only gives her 76 days to be assigned an SSN and issued a card. After that time she will need an EAD or I-551 card to establish authorization to work. Before that time the

I-94 showing K-1 status is the document that establishes authorization to work for SSN purposes.

NO!NO!NO!

Be careful! while your status is K1 Visa, you can apply for the SS#.

Once you get married, the status is changed, your status is no longer K1.

It is gonnna be in petition for GC.

Some of my friends were denied to get SS# after their marriages.

On the web site, they say that K1 Visa holder can get SS#. (not for the status in petition for GC)

But if you are lucky, you may be able to get SS# after the marridge.

If you are unlucky as well as my friends, you have to wait SS# till you get the GC. ( that is pretty annoying!)

As far as SSA procedures for assigned an SSN or changing the name on your SSN record once you are married it should not matter that you are married. The main things are that you have been in the U.S. less than 76 days and the marriage certificate has your age or date of birth,

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203210

RM 00203.210 Changing Numident Data

a. Bride Takes Groom’s Last Name

In all 50 U.S. States (this means the 50 States, Washington, D.C., Puerto Rico, U.S. Virgin Islands,

Guam, Northern Mariana Islands, and American Samoa) the bride may take her husband's last name

(surname or family name) as her new last name.

EXAMPLE: Jane Doe married John Jones and she may change her name to Jane Jones.

Interim Guidance: If the bride wants to take her husband's last name, accept the marriage document

as a legal name change for the bride if the new name can be derived from the marriage document; even

if the marriage document only shows each partner's first names, the bride's prior surname and

husband's surname. The marriage document alone can be accepted as evidence of identity for both the

old and new names when it meets the criteria described in RM 00203.200G.2.

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http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203200#G2

2. Determine if the ID Document Has Required Information

Ask the applicant to submit one or more documents that show the person's name AND provide:

Biographical information in addition to the person's name that the reviewer can compare with the

data on the SS-5 (e.g., date of birth, age, or parents' names) and/or

Physical information that the reviewer can compare with the applicant (e.g., physical description,

photograph).

NOTE: A non-picture identity document must have the person's name as well as information that can be

compared to the Numident, the applicant or other documents submitted (e.g., age, date of birth, or

parents' names).

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C. Procedure - Immigration Document as Evidence of Legal Name

When issuing immigration documents, the Department of State and DHS issue them in the person's legal

name. The legal name is also generally the name in which the foreign passport was issued.

When an alien applies for an SSN card, presume the name on the immigration document is the legal

name unless the applicant presents evidence of a legal name change (e.g., marriage) that occurred

after the immigration document was issued.

[Jolibee76 1]

defintely go and get your SSN after 2 weeks of arrival. I arrived here on june 12th and went to the SSN office yesterday and no worries. Will be in the mail 7-10 days time. Then once i am married all i have to do is take my marriage ceritifcate and SSN card back to the office to transfer into my marriage name. Make sure you get your SSN 2 weeks before your visa expires though. good luck

[I'm Gone 60]

Then once i am married all i have to do is take my marriage ceritifcate and SSN card back to the office to transfer into my marriage name.

Marriage certificate and I-94 and passport. Plus your marriage certificate will need to have your age or date of birth or you will need two additional idenitity documents. One in the name that currently appears on the SSN record and one with the married name. Plus those documents must also have info that can be compared to the applicant or the SSN record per RM 00203.200 G2.

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203210

RM 00203.210 Changing Numident Data

The marriage document alone can be accepted as evidence of identity for both the old and new names when it meets the criteria described in RM 00203.200G.2.

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RM 00203.200 Evidence of Identity for an SSN Card

http://policy.ssa.gov/poms.nsf/lnx/0100203200#G2

G. Procedure – Examining, Evaluating, and Verifying the Document Submitted as Evidence of Identity

2. Determine if the ID Document Has Required Information

Ask the applicant to submit one or more documents that show the person's name AND provide:

Biographical information in addition to the person's name that the reviewer can compare with the

data on the SS-5 (e.g., date of birth, age, or parents' names) and/or

Physical information that the reviewer can compare with the applicant (e.g., physical description,

photograph).

NOTE: A non-picture identity document must have the person's name as well as information that can be

compared to the Numident, the applicant or other documents submitted (e.g., age, date of birth, or

parents' names).

[Pinkie1945 0]

SSN K-1 Authorization: This file is an notice to all SSA offices that authorizes any valid K-1 holder to be issued a SSN. You do NOT need a EAD to get a SSN while you have a vaild K-1. Bring this memo with you! Not all offices are aware that you can be issued a SSN and they may tell you that you need an EAD!

This appears to be a broken link to the PDF (or at least it is on my system) Can someone advise where i can obtain this PDF?

[Harpa Timsah 13,258]

SSN K-1 Authorization: This file is an notice to all SSA offices that authorizes any valid K-1 holder to be issued a SSN. You do NOT need a EAD to get a SSN while you have a vaild K-1. Bring this memo with you! Not all offices are aware that you can be issued a SSN and they may tell you that you need an EAD!

This appears to be a broken link to the PDF (or at least it is on my system) Can someone advise where i can obtain this PDF?

This thread is 7 years old. You don't need this pdf to get a SSN on a K-1. In 7 years, all offices have learned this. A K-1 is entitled to a SSN.