Nutty librul scandinavians and their fruity ideas...

[Joseph & Ana 0]

I don't want you to be silenced Joe, you provide me with minutes of amusement.

Thats all that matters then..

[Peikko 1,575]

I am glad you see things my way Joe, I really do.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

I am glad you see things my way Joe, I really do.

I knew we could be best friends one day...

[Peikko 1,575]

What's with all the 'let's be friends' #######? Has Col Bat been calling for group hugging sessions, again?

[Joseph & Ana 0]

What's with all the 'let's be friends' #######? Has Col Bat been calling for group hugging sessions, again?

You didn't know that i take my orders from the Col.

[SMR 368]

Well, the application to global warming may seem liberal, but their actual conclusion seems to be that people should do things themselves instead of waiting for a government bureaucracy to solve their problems. Seems like a pretty conservative idea to me.

Actually it's an Anarchist idea.

Well, that's true in the extreme. The right-left spectrum in America is about how large of a role the government should play in people's lives. The extreme right wing view is anarchy while the extreme left wing view on the spectrum is government control of everything. But most people are in the middle.

My point is, the "do it yourself" mentality is right wing. Anything in the extreme is unhealthy. That doesn't make it bad.

Edited October 12, 2009 by SMR

[Peikko 1,575]

If you want to talk about liberal ideology, it is basically favours limiting the power of government. There is nothing in liberal dogma that espouses large state institutions as a working model.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Well, the application to global warming may seem liberal, but their actual conclusion seems to be that people should do things themselves instead of waiting for a government bureaucracy to solve their problems. Seems like a pretty conservative idea to me.

Actually it's an Anarchist idea.

Well, that's true in the extreme. The right-left spectrum in America is about how large of a role the government should play in people's lives. The extreme right wing view is anarchy while the extreme left wing view on the spectrum is government control of everything. But most people are in the middle.

My point is, the "do it yourself" mentality is right wing. Anything in the extreme is unhealthy. That doesn't make it bad.

No that's not right. Anarchist theory is its own thing - it only appears "extreme" in the sense that its classically perceived; chaos. Its actually a fairly diverse branch of theory.

Basically, the difference that the article aludes to regards the ownership of property. The usual political arguments revolve around whether things should be privatised or socialised.

This seems to be talking about property being controlled by the community (as opposed to the government or private enterprise) - like fixing your own roads.

Edited October 12, 2009 by Gene Hunt

[Peikko 1,575]

For liberals the freedom of the individual is paramount after all.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

For liberals the freedom of the individual is paramount after all.

except whenever the environment can be used as an excuse to limit freedom, or health insurance or anything unhealthy is used as an excuse, or if you "made too much money, and so and so needs some"

[SMR 368]

For liberals the freedom of the individual is paramount after all.

This is classic liberalism. It has little place in liberalism of modern America.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Well, the application to global warming may seem liberal, but their actual conclusion seems to be that people should do things themselves instead of waiting for a government bureaucracy to solve their problems. Seems like a pretty conservative idea to me.

Actually it's an Anarchist idea.

Well, that's true in the extreme. The right-left spectrum in America is about how large of a role the government should play in people's lives. The extreme right wing view is anarchy while the extreme left wing view on the spectrum is government control of everything. But most people are in the middle.

My point is, the "do it yourself" mentality is right wing. Anything in the extreme is unhealthy. That doesn't make it bad.

No that's not right. Anarchist theory is its own thing - it only appears "extreme" in the sense that its classically perceived; chaos. Its actually a fairly diverse branch of theory.

Basically, the difference that the article aludes to regards the ownership of property. The usual political arguments revolve around whether things should be privatised or socialised.

This seems to be talking about property being controlled by the community (as opposed to the government or private enterprise) - like fixing your own roads.

Roads aren't private property, so i have no problem with the gov fixing them (i just wish they weren't fixing them all at the bloody same time !!! I can't get anywhere right now - @#$%#^! Obama)

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Well, the application to global warming may seem liberal, but their actual conclusion seems to be that people should do things themselves instead of waiting for a government bureaucracy to solve their problems. Seems like a pretty conservative idea to me.

Actually it's an Anarchist idea.

Well, that's true in the extreme. The right-left spectrum in America is about how large of a role the government should play in people's lives. The extreme right wing view is anarchy while the extreme left wing view on the spectrum is government control of everything. But most people are in the middle.

My point is, the "do it yourself" mentality is right wing. Anything in the extreme is unhealthy. That doesn't make it bad.

No that's not right. Anarchist theory is its own thing - it only appears "extreme" in the sense that its classically perceived; chaos. Its actually a fairly diverse branch of theory.

Basically, the difference that the article aludes to regards the ownership of property. The usual political arguments revolve around whether things should be privatised or socialised.

This seems to be talking about property being controlled by the community (as opposed to the government or private enterprise) - like fixing your own roads.

Roads aren't private property, so i have no problem with the gov fixing them (i just wish they weren't fixing them all at the bloody same time !!! I can't get anywhere right now - @#$%#^! Obama)

Yes I know that. The article referred to "common property" - and that it is frequently mismanaged under socialized or privatised models.

Edited October 12, 2009 by Gene Hunt

[Peikko 1,575]

For liberals the freedom of the individual is paramount after all.

This is classic liberalism. It has little place in liberalism of modern America.

Liberalism is what it is. Whether some can apply the terms correctly or not is not my problem. Essentially, applying the liberal brush to everything warranted or not simply creates confusion as to what exactly is being proposed and or objected to.

[_Simpson_ 250]

For liberals the freedom of the individual is paramount after all.

Is that really different for Conservatives?, its how we go about keeping that individual freedom that defines the two sides.