H1N1 Vaccination for your kids/babies.

[blue123 0]

I cannot still decide what to do for my 6 month old. SO want to hear your thought on it.

Definately would not get the vaccine, some doctors have stated publicly that they would not have the shot which could be more dangerous than the swine flu itself.

I have been reading a lot about the H1N1 and with so much evidence showing it was manufactured in a labratory by a pharmaceutical company who will make millions from the vaccine with no legal liability if vaccine causes any harmful side effects or is deadly.

[HannahP 119]

There have been two confirmed cases in my nursing class of 120 students. Freaks me out a little bit because we're doing our OB clinical right now. (And I thought it was bad enough that three of the five nurses on the mother-baby unit had SERIOUS colds but still came to work.)

[HAL 9000 96]

I've NEVER had a flu vaccine and I've only had one bad case of the flu and no vaccine would have been protected me from that. But my daughter has pretty bad asthma so not only will she get it, but so will I.

I think that's a pretty safe thing to do.

I cannot still decide what to do for my 6 month old. SO want to hear your thought on it.

Definately would not get the vaccine, some doctors have stated publicly that they would not have the shot which could be more dangerous than the swine flu itself.

I have been reading a lot about the H1N1 and with so much evidence showing it was manufactured in a labratory by a pharmaceutical company who will make millions from the vaccine with no legal liability if vaccine causes any harmful side effects or is deadly.

I'd love it if you could PM me some of that evidence. I think you may be confusing evidence for rumors. As for the vaccine side effects, the most notable one could be GB syndrome, and that's a very rare side effect equally as common with the regular flu shot each year.

There's definitely a lot of stuff being said out there, and MDs are coming out of the woodwork on You Tube to state their claims. Beware with that.

[Rocky_nBullwinkle 6]

I don't want them to get that swine flu, so yes!

[TBoneTX 45,266]

Yes, hombre.

You rang, si man?

Those are some of the susceptibility factors. Pulling Pubmed on me... don't get to see that often here on VJ.

So, is there a 95% confidence interval that VJ serves as a 99.44% escape from PubMed, si man?

I have heard that, with luck, the Texas Heart Institute Journal will publish in its December 2009 issue the results of a late-2004 survey that explains why the influenza-vaccination rate (seasonal flu, back then) in cardiovascular patients was so low. Although the survey is "old," circumstances have surely NOT improved dramatically since then. The article will make good reading (it will not be technical or long-hair), and anyone who reads it will gain a good refresher or an eye-opener.

One such eye-opener is that vaccinating schoolchildren against seasonal influenza has led to significant decreases in the rates of all-cause and pneumonia/influenza death in elderly persons. Vaccination of 80% of schoolchildren in one community was reported to decrease respiratory illnesses in adults. Vaccinating 20% to 25% of children of ages 1.5 to 18 years resulted in an indirect protection of 8% to 18% against acute respiratory illnesses in adults age 35 years or older. (It appears that children truly are walking germ-factories, si man!) Seriously, influenza-vaccinating the household contacts (spouses, children) of high-risk patients (cardiovascular, pulmonary, diabetic) appears to be very important in secondary prevention, si man.

If I find a link to the article after it's published, I'll holler here, si man.

[caybee 21]

He's only two months old, so he's too young. But I got the seasonal flu shot. My husband will get that one also, and we'll both get the H1N1. My family will also get it, everyone who will come into close contact with him. Like Parul, I really worry about Rayan getting either one.

[HAL 9000 96]

Yes, hombre.

You rang, si man?

Those are some of the susceptibility factors. Pulling Pubmed on me... don't get to see that often here on VJ.

So, is there a 95% confidence interval that VJ serves as a 99.44% escape from PubMed, si man?

I have heard that, with luck, the Texas Heart Institute Journal will publish in its December 2009 issue the results of a late-2004 survey that explains why the influenza-vaccination rate (seasonal flu, back then) in cardiovascular patients was so low. Although the survey is "old," circumstances have surely NOT improved dramatically since then. The article will make good reading (it will not be technical or long-hair), and anyone who reads it will gain a good refresher or an eye-opener.

One such eye-opener is that vaccinating schoolchildren against seasonal influenza has led to significant decreases in the rates of all-cause and pneumonia/influenza death in elderly persons. Vaccination of 80% of schoolchildren in one community was reported to decrease respiratory illnesses in adults. Vaccinating 20% to 25% of children of ages 1.5 to 18 years resulted in an indirect protection of 8% to 18% against acute respiratory illnesses in adults age 35 years or older. (It appears that children truly are walking germ-factories, si man!) Seriously, influenza-vaccinating the household contacts (spouses, children) of high-risk patients (cardiovascular, pulmonary, diabetic) appears to be very important in secondary prevention, si man.

If I find a link to the article after it's published, I'll holler here, si man.

Immunity is more than just an individual effort. The entire point is to get enough people in a community so as to prevent the rate of infection unto more susceptible individuals prone to suffer the bad effects of these diseases.

And yes... the CI is at 95% although you could make it 98% to me more precise. LOL

[HannahP 119]

Just got my H1N1 today. (I have direct patient care so I'm eligible.)

It was...kinda nasty, but not as unpleasant as my seasonal flu shot experience where the lady hit a nerve.

[Inky 1,110]

I hope everyone reads this and considers it..

http://www.childhoodshots.com/uploads/Swin...neFactSheet.pdf

It contains Dead fetal by-product, MSG, Formaldahyde and more.

[antda 13]

Hi Everyone,

Hmm..Interesting debate here about the H1N1 Vaccine...

My vote on this particluar vj general poll: "No", my child/baby will not be getting the H1N1 vaccine this year....

While I do believe in vaccinations and in ways of preventing illnesses to be spread (washing hands, not being in contact with those who are sick, covering up while sneezing/coughing, cleaning and disinfecting, etc.)....

However, I don't believe that there is a need right away to get this particular H1N1 vaccine, be it that it is relatively new and the side effects of such have yet to be further studied. Who knows, what side effects could happen which would outweigh the intended benefit of the vaccine (such as it has done before many years ago when the first flu vaccines came out). As well, there is a shortage of this vaccine, so does everyone need one right away? So my take on it is if one is in a vulnerable/high risk population of society that needs such right away, then they should be the ones to get it first, and let the others wait until there is more supply and is proven to be more safe for the general population overall to use.

Though if I were pregnant now (which is one of the high risk groups for the H1N1), I admit, I probably wouldn't be getting such a shot, as I would fear that the side effects of such an experimental drug would harm the baby instead, which is more of a risk there, than the actual risk of getting the flu itself. Heck, I was even afraid to take cold/flu medication, not eat certain foods, and not do certain things when I was pregnant, in fear that it would harm the baby. And if I did get that shot while I was pregnant and something did happen to the baby...Then who would take the blame there? Certainly not the government who promoted the vaccine in the first place...

I understand that there have been people who have been infected and have died from H1N1, so it is a serious concern. Though at the same time, I think the media can go "overboard" with such a story, and blow it out of proportion, which makes people more scared about it than they should be. Instead of scaring people into thinking that they need the shot to cure their illness, why not teach good sanitary habits instead, so that illnesses are less likely to spread in the first place?

As for my family...No, we're not getting the H1N1 shot (or any type of flu shot for that matter). We will though, continue practicing healthy habits and be as healthy as possible so that we don't get sick. Besides, my son (who is about 3 months old) is too young to get the H1N1 vaccine, so even if we wanted to, we can't give them the vaccine. Lol...my son though is going for the next scheduled childhood vaccines (which have been tried and tested over time and proven to be safe and ok to have) when he is 4 months old..And that's enough as it is for him this year (poor kid...I hate to see him get his shots done...but, it has to be done...). We'll see next year as to whether or not he gets other shots outside of the recommended ones for all children...

Speaking of kids and shots...Does anyone have any suggestions as to how to make shots/vaccines easier to tolerate for babies and/or chidlren? As the doctor suggested, I tried infant tylenol after my son's last shots when he was crying in pain for a long time. That sort of worked, but I hate giving him medicine and it made him extra drowsy for a few days. Anything else I can do?

The bottom line: Do what is best for you and your family when it comes to vaccines and/or other medical treatments. Do your research and keep informed yourself. Do keep up with good health and sanitary practices. Do keep well and healthy.

Ok..so those are my thoughts on this topic..What are your thoughts?

Ant

[Ellie-and-David 38]

I wont be getting the H1N1 shot. It was made and shipped so quickly that I dont believe the potentially harmful effects of the (any) vaccine could have possibly been studied for long enough.

It is interesting that there is such a big hoo-hah this year about swine flu. Whilst it is highly contagious and a very nasty virus to get, so far the death rates dont seem to be much different from seasonal flu.

Of course....with seasonal flu, it is the over 65's that suffer....and apparently it's ok to the media and the rest of the population if the flu kills old people, but if it starts attacking the under 65's...well....then there is justified cause for media hype, mass worry and a virtually untested vaccine.

[niniel71 0]

No, my children wont be vaccinated. Honestly, neither me nor my 3 children have never received a flu shot. All the hype I've been hearing just doesnt seem bad enough for me to break with my tradition and give my children an unneccesary vaccine.

Maybe....maybe.... in a few months or so when the vaccine has been administered to millions of people without major side effects, I'll reconcider....maybe. But then only if the H1N1 severity and death rate drastically increases.

I just have a bad feeling about injecting chemicals into my children.

[TBoneTX 45,266]

Immunity is more than just an individual effort. The entire point is to get enough people in a community so as to prevent the rate of infection unto more susceptible individuals prone to suffer the bad effects of these diseases.

And yes... the CI is at 95% although you could make it 98% to me more precise. LOL

The herd-immunity mechanism, si man. Too bad that pigs run in flocks -- or is it gaggles? -- rather than in herds, si man, or at least that's what I herd, oof man.

[HAL 9000 96]

I hope everyone reads this and considers it..

http://www.childhoodshots.com/uploads/Swin...neFactSheet.pdf

It contains Dead fetal by-product, MSG, Formaldahyde and more.

I'll have to check the actual literature for that... some of those ingredients are illegal in medicinal formulations deliverable to patients. I find it a little hard to believe the source. Just a bit.

[HAL 9000 96]

Immunity is more than just an individual effort. The entire point is to get enough people in a community so as to prevent the rate of infection unto more susceptible individuals prone to suffer the bad effects of these diseases.

And yes... the CI is at 95% although you could make it 98% to me more precise. LOL

The herd-immunity mechanism, si man. Too bad that pigs run in flocks -- or is it gaggles? -- rather than in herds, si man, or at least that's what I herd, oof man.

A friend went to a party Saturday night where 13 of the 15 present developed flu symptoms within hours. One is in the hospital getting tested.

I think people should listen a little more carefully to their doctors before googling crazy sources that rumor ingredients... and if they distrust their general practitioners... they should do their own www.pubmed.gov searches on the components of these vaccines.