The Muslims are coming!

[AlHayatZween 2]

Damn, MC! Why do you always have to post the good topics when i have work today...

i have a lesson to plan, but this is way more fun!

[AlHayatZween 2]

There are at least two in our house, and often more. No wars have broken out.

There are dozens in my house.

We are engendering them in petri dishes, as well as cultivating opium and making sticky bombs out of Bazooka Joe chewing gum, baking soda, and cumin.

We also have drum classes on Saturday afternoons.

:jest:

[scandal 951]

There are at least two in our house, and often more. No wars have broken out.

There are dozens in my house.

We are engendering them in petri dishes, as well as cultivating opium and making sticky bombs out of Bazooka Joe chewing gum, baking soda, and cumin.

We also have drum classes on Saturday afternoons.

:jest:

Cool! Can I come over to play too?

[AlHayatZween 2]

There are at least two in our house, and often more. No wars have broken out.

There are dozens in my house.

We are engendering them in petri dishes, as well as cultivating opium and making sticky bombs out of Bazooka Joe chewing gum, baking soda, and cumin.

We also have drum classes on Saturday afternoons.

:jest:

Cool! Can I come over to play too?

Yeah, man!

[HYENA 4]

"The sheer scale of the world's Muslim population and its spread should encourage people to ask more questions about why so many people are Muslims and what they really believe. It shows there are Muslims in societies and areas that people don't immediately think of. But there are still many people who assume the majority of Muslims are Arabs."

the majority of people in the US don't know what muslims are practicing, in their majority. chinese muslims have about as much in common with arab muslims as an apple has with a pear. other asian muslims are just bananas.

the disturbing truth is that the high proportion of muslims is seen in countries that are lacking in education resources, so are lacking in individuals that are self actualised. islam appeals to people who don't feel like they can manage their own lives, just like catholicism did in the middle ages. it also appeals to governments that see islam as a method of control to enact upon an uneducated population, just like catholicism was used during the middle ages in europe, and confucianism/buddhism was used through the last 2 millenia in china. it's been like that throughout recorded human history.

the truth is disturbiung because it indicates two things. how poorly educated our fellow men are, and how little potential they have for self actualisation.

but this means you can eat muslims and get your RDA in fruit, then right?

I don't have a single problem with muslims...they have one god and he's a jealous god...not much different than jews eatingwise. they've got their bad folks who drink, smoke an murder just like the christians and everyone else.

I'm safe...I got a Theraveda buddhist (verrry different than other Buddhists). Reminds me....I gotta send 300 bucks for the worship the dead ancestor party coming up....

Edited October 9, 2009 by HYENA

[Sofiyya 1,687]

one of my elder sisters not only left islam but also became catholic she is still alive and still comes to the home with her husband and children nobody killed her or threatened her ........... really some ridicules ideas about islam......

we have non muslim friends as well as muslim friends..........our loyalty is equal its the person that we look at not the religion

sara

thanks for demonstrating the difference between indian muslims and arab muslims.

as for muslims, i don't reject them as a whole, just the wahibist militants.

i do feel sorry for them, though, and think they might just be overcompensating for their small penises.

I'm Arab Muslim. It's clear that you are just talking out of your hat with no real knowledge of Islam or Muslims.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

i can't figure out why events that happened 500-1000 years ago are being referenced. the political issues involving scores of muslims around the planet have nothing to do with the crusades or the inquisition.

from a purely sociological perspective, they are relevant.

to whom are they relevant, and for what possible reason?

Obviously, they are relevant to the people who posted them. They are relevant to the discussion from a historical perspective. Your points are also relevant, and it is not necessary to negate the historical perspective to make your points more sustantial.

[brnidokiegurl 0]

one of my elder sisters not only left islam but also became catholic she is still alive and still comes to the home with her husband and children nobody killed her or threatened her ........... really some ridicules ideas about islam......

we have non muslim friends as well as muslim friends..........our loyalty is equal its the person that we look at not the religion

sara

thanks for demonstrating the difference between indian muslims and arab muslims.

as for muslims, i don't reject them as a whole, just the wahibist militants.

i do feel sorry for them, though, and think they might just be overcompensating for their small penises.

now its obvious u dont know any

[Twisted K 2]

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Lets look at the Spanish Inquisition as an example of atrocities committed not just against Muslims, but also Jews. I hardly think Islam is the only religion that has had atrocities. It doesn't mean everyone within the religion agreed with the actions of a few.

The Spanish Inquisition was indeed a calamitous event for the Jewish people of that time and place. It involved not just the expulsion from Spain, but also forced conversions on point of death to Catholicism, as well as the most vicious practices of torture carried out in "auto da fe" show trials.

Jews have suffered at the hands of Christian Europe for much of the past 2,000 years of Diaspora - pogroms in medieval Europe, the Crusades, the Inquisition, and culminating in the Holocaust.

It is also very true that during much of that 2,000 year period, the Jews who found themselves living in Muslim ruled lands typically found themselves in much better circumstances. Maimonides, the renowned Jewish Rabbi scholar and physician, lived in Muslim Spain, Morocco and Egypt. Jews in the Ottoman Empire, in Iraq, in Yemen, and in Iran generally had better access to education, freer practice of their religion and individual betterment than their counterparts in Christian Europe.

Islam historically was reasonably tolerant of the Jews in its midst (with exceptions, of course).

As others have indicated in this thread however - what's the relevance of that to the discussion of modern 21st century radical Islam?

Yes, anyone who has studied history should be able to immediately recognize that Islam is NOT a religion of hatred and intolerance.

Even today, the vast majority of practicing Muslims are NOT extremists filled with hate.

But that doesn't change the fact that there is a virulent hard-core element of fanaticism in the Islamic world of today. It's antisemitic, anti-Israel, denies the historical facts of the Holocaust, preaches hatred of the west, of America, of Christianity and Judaism and Buddhism. It spans Shiite Iran and Hizbullah as well as Sunni radical states (e.g. Syria) and radical movements and groups (e.g. Hamas, the various branches of al Qaida).

Pointing to the Crusades or the Inquisition says nothing whatsoever about how to address this radicalism.

In my view, the only way we have a hope to combat radical Islam is to offer the 1 billion+ Muslims in the world, many of which live in destitute conditions under corrupt and tyrannical regimes, a better option. Many are turning to radicalism because they see no hope in the paths of secularism and coexistence - they see their corrupt governments collaborating with America (Afghanistan right now is textbook example of this), and feel alienated.

Perhaps we can turn the tide, perhaps the majority of Muslims who want peace and coexistence with their non-Muslim neighbors (as I believe most Muslims on VJ to be) can persuade their friends and relatives that hatred and murder and destruction is not what the Koran is about. Perhaps they can point out the long tradition of enlightenment and tolerance that existed in the Muslim world for centuries while Christian Europe wallowed in the Dark Ages. Perhaps again the Islamic world can be a leader in medicine, science and engineering, as it was during Maimonides time.

The problem was that the muslim world in the MENA was conquered repeatedly over a period of centuries in a way that Europe was not. You had some quite barbaric regimes running things for a while - the Mamluks, the Seljuks and (more damagingly) the Mongols.

When you don't have political or ideological stability - you're going to fall behind.

That's not counting issues in the modern age - how the US and UK managed to set Iran back decades (and on the path to theocracy) by deposing the president in '53. That and the establishment of Israel in '48 were arguably the worst things to happen in that part of the world in the 20th century.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

The copout is always the crusades.

Timothy McVeigh wasn't a religious bombing.

Fail fail fail

How many Christians are strapping bombs to themselves, children, mentally handicapped and sending them into crouded areas to take people out? Hmmm?

How many Christians are hijacking planes and flying them into buildings? How many Christians are setting IED's and taking passersby out? Hmmm?

How many Christian families get money from extremist groups if their family members blow themselves up? hmmm?

[justashooter 430]

I'm safe...I got a Theraveda buddhist (verrry different than other Buddhists). Reminds me....I gotta send 300 bucks for the worship the dead ancestor party coming up....

when dealing with the dead it's easier being married to a chinese. you just have to burn hell money (counterfeit) twice a year and go through a ritualistic housecleaning (sweeping of the tombs) once a year. the $300 a month is for the MIL salary.

one of my elder sisters not only left islam but also became catholic she is still alive and still comes to the home with her husband and children nobody killed her or threatened her ........... really some ridicules ideas about islam......

we have non muslim friends as well as muslim friends..........our loyalty is equal its the person that we look at not the religion

sara

thanks for demonstrating the difference between indian muslims and arab muslims.

as for muslims, i don't reject them as a whole, just the wahibist militants.

i do feel sorry for them, though, and think they might just be overcompensating for their small penises.

now its obvious u dont know any

well, even if there was ONE with a huge schlong he would prolly be more interested in young boys than in you, so what's the difference?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The copout is always the crusades.

Timothy McVeigh wasn't a religious bombing.

Fail fail fail

How many Christians are strapping bombs to themselves, children, mentally handicapped and sending them into crouded areas to take people out? Hmmm?

How many Christians are hijacking planes and flying them into buildings? How many Christians are setting IED's and taking passersby out? Hmmm?

How many Christian families get money from extremist groups if their family members blow themselves up? hmmm?

How many muslims are doing it for that matter?

How many was it who flew the planes on 9/11 - 18?

18 into 1.57 billion. Hmmm...

[Joseph & Ana 0]

The copout is always the crusades.

Timothy McVeigh wasn't a religious bombing.

Fail fail fail

How many Christians are strapping bombs to themselves, children, mentally handicapped and sending them into crouded areas to take people out? Hmmm?

How many Christians are hijacking planes and flying them into buildings? How many Christians are setting IED's and taking passersby out? Hmmm?

How many Christian families get money from extremist groups if their family members blow themselves up? hmmm?

How many muslims are doing it for that matter?

How many was it who flew the planes on 9/11 - 18?

18 into 1.57 billion. Hmmm...

Liberals really do love their radical muslims thats for sure. Its worldwide. It wasn't only 18 people who were involved in 911. It was a network of 100's of planners. It might behoove you to read the 9/11 comission (bipartisan by the way). It says that its a worldwide network. There were thousands of muslims cheering in the streets around the world when the 2 towers fell. Terrorists come out of Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Palestinian Territory, Afghanistan, Kazakhstan, Pakistan, etc etc etc etc... I could go on and on. One thing they have in common is that they are muslim and its the Quran that is driving their militancy.

[Peikko 1,575]

Simpson, where are you? Time to put your money where your mouth is.