The Muslims are coming!

[Joseph & Ana 0]

BIGOT + PREJUDICE + RACIST = Conservative winning a debate with a Liberal.

Well, that's a convenient equation for bigoted and racist conservatives, now isn't it?

Sunlight.

Its convenient for the liberals who consistently call their opposition those 3 words when they can't refute what is being said.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

BIGOT + PREJUDICE + RACIST = Conservative winning a debate with a Liberal.

Well, that's a convenient equation for bigoted and racist conservatives, now isn't it?

Yeah - that doesn't read quite as Joe probably intended

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

BIGOT + PREJUDICE + RACIST = Conservative winning a debate with a Liberal.

Well, that's a convenient equation for bigoted and racist conservatives, now isn't it?

Sunlight.

Its convenient for the liberals who consistently call their opposition those 3 words when they can't refute what is being said.

And the audience rolls its eyes.

[TracyHamza 1]

Interesting - so there are concessions to be had in Christianity to excuse the bloodthirstiness in some of its scriptures, but there cannot be any concession for context for Islam.

Again I ask - what is the point of this line of argument?

No concessions - completion of the law through Christ. Islam does not afford such forgiveness. Therefore, since the only way one can know for sure if they are going to paradise is to be a martyr, it makes muslims obligated to that around the world. As is proven by the worldwide violence in Islam's name.

Actually there is.. Christianity. You quote all old testament verses, and leave out the fact that Jesus came to fulfill the law since humanity cannot fulfill or obey the law. Jesus brought forgiveness, not death. Also, there is no salvation in Islam. You obey the law and hope you were good enough to get in. Though, even in islam it is physically impossible to keep the law. So no one knows for sure if they're good enough (that is unless they become a martyr, then they know for sure).

The NT is as full of internal inconsistencies (and I mean 100s) as any other religious text.

I can't believe that in 2009 we have two groups of adults that are trying to have a rational argument over which book of ancient mythology is the "true" one. Ridiculous religious disputes that are based on such nonsense are exactly why there are so many problems in the world.

No one lost and no one won, because this argument is not winnable.

What do inconsistencies have to do with the violence we are talking about? Red herring.

i dont really want to get into an argument over this but we received forgiveness from God........the terrorist are not martyr they will not get into heaven for what they have done.......Islam is a very forgiving religion and way of life....killing innocent people is against islam

sara

sara

I keep hearing this, but the Quran would seem to disagree. Care to post some scripture ?

i could post scripture from the bible and the quran taken out of context either one will look blood thirsty for either of us to understand the others bible or quran it must be studied just quoting scripture really means nothing...........:-)

sara

So apparently there aren't any verses which show the loving and forgiving god that Allah is.

really?...guess you skipped the part in our bible about sodom and gomorrah and noah built the ark because he was bored...oh yeah and he surely forgave the egyptians for enslaving the jews by killing all their children?....get a grip

This thread isn't a #######-for-tat about Christianity - I simply asked where the similarities were in regards to strapping bombs on people and blowing innocents up.

You make yourself sound stupid. It doesn't take me to tell you that.

stupid remarks deserve stupid replies

[Joseph & Ana 0]

I'm not questioning their scruples, the Quran is questioning it.

Based on your (as ever) insightful and detailed analysis of the subject at hand

That's OK Joe - no need to say anything more. I accept your concession that you don't have the first idea of what you're talking about.

Doesn't change the fact that I do, and you have yet to dispute anything i've said except attack the messenger and say he isn't smart enough. Definitely a sign that you yourself don't know what you're talking about

Nope. Sorry - you don't.

All you've done is post the same cherry picked quotes over and over, slathered with a layer of nudge-nudge, wink-wink innuendo of barely concealed prejudice.

You aren't going to get me to back down by calling me prejudice. Thats a "shut-up" tactic that has never worked on me. Liberals love to do it. Whenever they can't refute something they call someone racist, bigoted, or prejudice. Nothing was cherry-picked as the tree is still loaded with hundreds more. Even if 100% of the verses said the same thing, you'd have the same argument. So it wouldn't matter.

BIGOT + PREJUDICE + RACIST = Conservative winning a debate with a Liberal.

*Yawn* See - this here is the problem.

You don't put anymore analysis into anything than this - and all you do is say the same thing over and over and over and over.

I'd say you're like the battery bunny, except you're more like "dirty bertie" with his half a dozen programmed-in Benny Hill style one-liners and his pneumatic #######.

These aren't one-liners. You call anything you disagree with "one-liners". But fail to refute anything.

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Is it just me or is Joe starting to sound like Boo Yah?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

BIGOT + PREJUDICE + RACIST = Conservative winning a debate with a Liberal.

Well, that's a convenient equation for bigoted and racist conservatives, now isn't it?

Sunlight.

Its convenient for the liberals who consistently call their opposition those 3 words when they can't refute what is being said.

And with reasoning like that - he expects to be taken seriously on "serious" subjects

Is it just me or is Joe starting to sound like Boo Yah?

Yep.

[sara..... 371]

Interesting - so there are concessions to be had in Christianity to excuse the bloodthirstiness in some of its scriptures, but there cannot be any concession for context for Islam.

Again I ask - what is the point of this line of argument?

No concessions - completion of the law through Christ. Islam does not afford such forgiveness. Therefore, since the only way one can know for sure if they are going to paradise is to be a martyr, it makes muslims obligated to that around the world. As is proven by the worldwide violence in Islam's name.

Actually there is.. Christianity. You quote all old testament verses, and leave out the fact that Jesus came to fulfill the law since humanity cannot fulfill or obey the law. Jesus brought forgiveness, not death. Also, there is no salvation in Islam. You obey the law and hope you were good enough to get in. Though, even in islam it is physically impossible to keep the law. So no one knows for sure if they're good enough (that is unless they become a martyr, then they know for sure).

The NT is as full of internal inconsistencies (and I mean 100s) as any other religious text.

I can't believe that in 2009 we have two groups of adults that are trying to have a rational argument over which book of ancient mythology is the "true" one. Ridiculous religious disputes that are based on such nonsense are exactly why there are so many problems in the world.

No one lost and no one won, because this argument is not winnable.

What do inconsistencies have to do with the violence we are talking about? Red herring.

i dont really want to get into an argument over this but we received forgiveness from God........the terrorist are not martyr they will not get into heaven for what they have done.......Islam is a very forgiving religion and way of life....killing innocent people is against islam

sara

sara

I keep hearing this, but the Quran would seem to disagree. Care to post some scripture ?

i could post scripture from the bible and the quran taken out of context either one will look blood thirsty for either of us to understand the others bible or quran it must be studied just quoting scripture really means nothing...........:-)

sara

So apparently there aren't any verses which show the loving and forgiving god that Allah is.

Sura 4 - An-Nisa (MADINA) : Verse 110

If anyone does evil or wrongs his own soul but afterwards seeks Allah's forgiveness, he will find Allah Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful

Sura 3 - Al-E-Imran (MADINA) : Verse 159

It is part of the Mercy of Allah that thou dost deal gently with them. Wert thou severe or harsh-hearted they would have broken away from about thee; so pass over (their faults), and ask for (Allah's) forgiveness for them; and consult them in affairs (of moment). Then when thou hast taken a decision, put thy trust in Allah. For Allah loves those who put their trust (in Him).

Sura 2 - Al-Baqara (MADINA) : Verse 199

Then pass on at a quick pace from the place whence it is usual for the multitude so to do and ask for Allah's forgiveness. For Allah is Oft Forgiving Most Merciful.

Sura 4 - An-Nisa (MADINA) : Verse 106

But seek the forgiveness of Allah; for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Sura 64 - At-Taghabun (MAKKA) : Verse 17

If ye loan to Allah a beautiful loan He will double it to your (credit), and He will grant you Forgiveness: for Allah is most Ready to appreciate (service) Most Forbearing―

there are many but it is all thru the quran there is not just a verse or chapter on it ........

sara

[Peikko 1,575]

What's funny (at least to me) is that I am quite sure, from things he has written, is that Joe is a literalist when it comes to for example Lex talionis even while the best interpretation of Lex talionis does not call for the blood thirsty revenge that he condones - probably

[BishopMnA 0]

I'm disappointed

There was some very good/honest/open/helpful discussion on this thread yesterday, back around pg 12-13ish or so...and it seems to have fallen apart since then...

Peace / Assalam Alaikom

[kaus&Sanu 0]

I'm disappointed

There was some very good/honest/open/helpful discussion on this thread yesterday, back around pg 12-13ish or so...and it seems to have fallen apart since then...

Peace / Assalam Alaikom

LMAO! Yes, I agree with you completely, we should take over this thread with love, care, and gentleness to eachother. I thought we were getting somewhere yesterday! I was excited to check the thread this morning, like I was thinking, yes, an adult discussion.... then walked into this!

[kaus&Sanu 0]

i dont really want to get into an argument over this but we received forgiveness from God........the terrorist are not martyr they will not get into heaven for what they have done.......Islam is a very forgiving religion and way of life....killing innocent people is against islam

sara

sara

I keep hearing this, but the Quran would seem to disagree. Care to post some scripture ?

i could post scripture from the bible and the quran taken out of context either one will look blood thirsty for either of us to understand the others bible or quran it must be studied just quoting scripture really means nothing...........:-)

sara

So apparently there aren't any verses which show the loving and forgiving god that Allah is.

Sura 4 - An-Nisa (MADINA) : Verse 110

If anyone does evil or wrongs his own soul but afterwards seeks Allah's forgiveness, he will find Allah Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful

Sura 3 - Al-E-Imran (MADINA) : Verse 159

It is part of the Mercy of Allah that thou dost deal gently with them. Wert thou severe or harsh-hearted they would have broken away from about thee; so pass over (their faults), and ask for (Allah's) forgiveness for them; and consult them in affairs (of moment). Then when thou hast taken a decision, put thy trust in Allah. For Allah loves those who put their trust (in Him).

Sura 2 - Al-Baqara (MADINA) : Verse 199

Then pass on at a quick pace from the place whence it is usual for the multitude so to do and ask for Allah's forgiveness. For Allah is Oft Forgiving Most Merciful.

Sura 4 - An-Nisa (MADINA) : Verse 106

But seek the forgiveness of Allah; for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Sura 64 - At-Taghabun (MAKKA) : Verse 17

If ye loan to Allah a beautiful loan He will double it to your (credit), and He will grant you Forgiveness: for Allah is most Ready to appreciate (service) Most Forbearing―

there are many but it is all thru the quran there is not just a verse or chapter on it ........

sara

[kaus&Sanu 0]

Interesting - so there are concessions to be had in Christianity to excuse the bloodthirstiness in some of its scriptures, but there cannot be any concession for context for Islam.

Again I ask - what is the point of this line of argument?

No concessions - completion of the law through Christ. Islam does not afford such forgiveness. Therefore, since the only way one can know for sure if they are going to paradise is to be a martyr, it makes muslims obligated to that around the world. As is proven by the worldwide violence in Islam's name.

Actually there is.. Christianity. You quote all old testament verses, and leave out the fact that Jesus came to fulfill the law since humanity cannot fulfill or obey the law. Jesus brought forgiveness, not death. Also, there is no salvation in Islam. You obey the law and hope you were good enough to get in. Though, even in islam it is physically impossible to keep the law. So no one knows for sure if they're good enough (that is unless they become a martyr, then they know for sure).

The NT is as full of internal inconsistencies (and I mean 100s) as any other religious text.

I can't believe that in 2009 we have two groups of adults that are trying to have a rational argument over which book of ancient mythology is the "true" one. Ridiculous religious disputes that are based on such nonsense are exactly why there are so many problems in the world.

No one lost and no one won, because this argument is not winnable.

What do inconsistencies have to do with the violence we are talking about? Red herring.

i dont really want to get into an argument over this but we received forgiveness from God........the terrorist are not martyr they will not get into heaven for what they have done.......Islam is a very forgiving religion and way of life....killing innocent people is against islam

sara

sara

I keep hearing this, but the Quran would seem to disagree. Care to post some scripture ?

i could post scripture from the bible and the quran taken out of context either one will look blood thirsty for either of us to understand the others bible or quran it must be studied just quoting scripture really means nothing...........:-)

sara

So apparently there aren't any verses which show the loving and forgiving god that Allah is.

Sura 4 - An-Nisa (MADINA) : Verse 110

If anyone does evil or wrongs his own soul but afterwards seeks Allah's forgiveness, he will find Allah Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful

Sura 3 - Al-E-Imran (MADINA) : Verse 159

It is part of the Mercy of Allah that thou dost deal gently with them. Wert thou severe or harsh-hearted they would have broken away from about thee; so pass over (their faults), and ask for (Allah's) forgiveness for them; and consult them in affairs (of moment). Then when thou hast taken a decision, put thy trust in Allah. For Allah loves those who put their trust (in Him).

Sura 2 - Al-Baqara (MADINA) : Verse 199

Then pass on at a quick pace from the place whence it is usual for the multitude so to do and ask for Allah's forgiveness. For Allah is Oft Forgiving Most Merciful.

Sura 4 - An-Nisa (MADINA) : Verse 106

But seek the forgiveness of Allah; for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Sura 64 - At-Taghabun (MAKKA) : Verse 17

If ye loan to Allah a beautiful loan He will double it to your (credit), and He will grant you Forgiveness: for Allah is most Ready to appreciate (service) Most Forbearing―

there are many but it is all thru the quran there is not just a verse or chapter on it ........

sara

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Ignorance is bliss I guess. Lets all hold hands and not blow eachother up. That should work. Off to other more important threads such as energy drinks and such.

[Peikko 1,575]

Yes Joe, the energy drinks thread is about your level of competence.