Despite Rising Unemployment, DHS Prepares for Amnesty

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I believe both parties have indicated a desire to do this - so why wouldn't the DHS prepare itself for that...

Because the electorate are, in a majority larger than that for "The Public Option" against amnesty for illegal aliens.

What they support is application and enforcement of the law as it currently stands. And if anyone throws out the "well you get the policy decided by the party in power", how do you get around the fact that in the eyes of the majority of the American people, on the subject of illegal immigration and amnesty, both parties are flat out wrong?

They may be wrong and the "majority" may well be against illegal immigration, but the electorate continues to elect representatives from the two party system knowing full well what their position is on this issue.

That tells me that either the illegal immigration problem isn't as bad as claimed, or (more likely) that it isn't as important as other issues in determining who wins elections.

I fail to understand how you can continue to talk complete rot. The electorate know full well that any vote for a party other than the Blue or the Red will be a wasted vote. They vote because the choice is lacking. They protest strongly, as they did when GWB proposed his "amnesty" program and hope their voice is loud enough to turn back the tide once again.

So far, the electorate have been heard and heeded. With the Dimocrats now in absolute control of Federal Government, likely this time they will be ignored. Should this legislation be brought to vote before November 2010, it may well be the death knell for a number of representatives' political careers, as it damn well should.

The problem with what you're saying is the assumption that the electorates responsibility to representative democracy is to choose from a set menu and not write the menu themselves.

When the cost of writing their own menu runs into the millions of dollars, and the people affected are toward the lower end of the wealth scale, the results should be obvious. Accusing the electorate of being sheep is disingenuous. They have no realistic third/fourth/fifth option and never will.

So they raise their voices at the representation they have and hope that the fear of not being reelected next time around does the trick. When it's all people have, it is what you will see.

The electorate aren't sheep (well some are - if the partisan hackery on these boards is any indication), but there isn't really any reason why the public can't start a new grass roots movement for a 3rd party option if there is the desire for it. I'm actually surprised that the current, major parties haven't fractured by now, given their divisions.

Money is a damned good reason nothing happens. It costs a hell of a lot of money to campaign in an election here. There is no way a "grass roots" party would even get close to being competitive.

And yet in the last election Obama raised about $230 million for his campaign from the general public.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

I believe both parties have indicated a desire to do this - so why wouldn't the DHS prepare itself for that...

Because the electorate are, in a majority larger than that for "The Public Option" against amnesty for illegal aliens.

What they support is application and enforcement of the law as it currently stands. And if anyone throws out the "well you get the policy decided by the party in power", how do you get around the fact that in the eyes of the majority of the American people, on the subject of illegal immigration and amnesty, both parties are flat out wrong?

They may be wrong and the "majority" may well be against illegal immigration, but the electorate continues to elect representatives from the two party system knowing full well what their position is on this issue.

That tells me that either the illegal immigration problem isn't as bad as claimed, or (more likely) that it isn't as important as other issues in determining who wins elections.

I fail to understand how you can continue to talk complete rot. The electorate know full well that any vote for a party other than the Blue or the Red will be a wasted vote. They vote because the choice is lacking. They protest strongly, as they did when GWB proposed his "amnesty" program and hope their voice is loud enough to turn back the tide once again.

So far, the electorate have been heard and heeded. With the Dimocrats now in absolute control of Federal Government, likely this time they will be ignored. Should this legislation be brought to vote before November 2010, it may well be the death knell for a number of representatives' political careers, as it damn well should.

The problem with what you're saying is the assumption that the electorates responsibility to representative democracy is to choose from a set menu and not write the menu themselves.

When the cost of writing their own menu runs into the millions of dollars, and the people affected are toward the lower end of the wealth scale, the results should be obvious. Accusing the electorate of being sheep is disingenuous. They have no realistic third/fourth/fifth option and never will.

So they raise their voices at the representation they have and hope that the fear of not being reelected next time around does the trick. When it's all people have, it is what you will see.

The electorate aren't sheep (well some are - if the partisan hackery on these boards is any indication), but there isn't really any reason why the public can't start a new grass roots movement for a 3rd party option if there is the desire for it. I'm actually surprised that the current, major parties haven't fractured by now, given their divisions.

Money is a damned good reason nothing happens. It costs a hell of a lot of money to campaign in an election here. There is no way a "grass roots" party would even get close to being competitive.

And yet in the last election Obama raised about $230 million for his campaign from the general public.

Any good prostitute can raise money!

[Heracles 417]

Here's a newsflash:

90% of the Hispanic landscapers you see are illegals. 90% of all kitchen staff that are of Hispanic descent are also illegal ALIENS!!! It is not just a few here and there. They are in every single city throughout the country; even in my little town of Northville, MI (with less than 7000 residents)! It is incredible!!!! I know this first-hand through some of my wife's previous jobs. I've driven two of her coworkers home and they both told me they are here illegally. And that the entire staff are illegals!! Even major companies (I won't say any names) are staffed with illegal ALIENS!

**So what do I think to do? Well, you can't round up 35 million illegal ALIENS and deport them. That is just wrong, even if they did come here illegally.**

I say legalize all of these ALIENS!!! Give them 6 months to come forward for their US citizenship. Slap them with a $5,000 (or $10,000) fine that is attached to their social security number and is paid off over a lifetime. Make sure that they cannot ever vote because it would permanently change our political system (for the worse). Build a big fence across the US/Mexican border. After the 6 month period expires and the majority of the 35 million illegals have stepped forward THEN you crack the whip on illegal immigration. After the 6 month period expires, no questions ask, all illegals caught thereafter are deported. Now 35 million people can stop living in paranoia, get drivers licenses, BUY CARS (a lot of them are scared to drive and would purchase a vehicle if they had a license), and as an added bonus 35 million people will pay (over their lifetime) $10,000 a piece for the inconvenience ($350 billion). Case closed!

Make it $50K per offense and then we will see if they leave. America is in the worst financial crisis since they great depression. They don't need illegal immigrants becoming legal and buying used civics, or further depressing areas they are a majority in. These jobs and cars should go to Americans living in poverty. Being in Michigan and having Chernobyl 2.0 (Detroit) there, you should appreciate any move to put Americans into jobs.

I remember reading a story, forgot where, where a factory was raided and they were all taken by ICE. The next day there was a line around the block of Americans who wanted to do the work. Amazing.

Edited October 6, 2009 by Booyah!

[웃 910]

You have to look into the causes of poverty in America....there is not a correlation between undocumented workers and the working poor unless they are being included. Job loss overseas, executive pay ratios, the dismantling of labor unions, the assault on our public school system - those are all the leading culprits into poverty in America.

How does adding 20 million more uneducated, unskilled people, who cannot even speak English, fix this? Ironically Australian unions are what drive most raids against those employing illegal aliens.

If you have 10 Americans competing for a job, how does adding 3 more illegal aliens that are paid under the table help the 10 people?

I would say that most are NOT paid under the table. They work for real companies, big name restaurants, and have fake documentation. They get real checks and taxes are taken out. In my wife's current job as well as her previous job not only was the entire kitchen staff ILLEGALS; in both jobs the manager of the kitchen staff was/is also an ILLEGAL!! Matter of fact, in her past job the employer is listed and trades every day on the NASDAQ composite. I know it is hard to believe, but it is true.

Edited October 6, 2009 by Confucian

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Here's a newsflash:

90% of the Hispanic landscapers you see are illegals. 90% of all kitchen staff that are of Hispanic descent are also illegal ALIENS!!! It is not just a few here and there. They are in every single city throughout the country; even in my little town of Northville, MI (with less than 7000 residents)! It is incredible!!!! I know this first-hand through some of my wife's previous jobs. I've driven two of her coworkers home and they both told me they are here illegally. And that the entire staff are illegals!! Even major companies (I won't say any names) are staffed with illegal ALIENS!

**So what do I think to do? Well, you can't round up 35 million illegal ALIENS and deport them. That is just wrong, even if they did come here illegally.**

I say legalize all of these ALIENS!!! Give them 6 months to come forward for their US citizenship. Slap them with a $5,000 (or $10,000) fine that is attached to their social security number and is paid off over a lifetime. Make sure that they cannot ever vote because it would permanently change our political system (for the worse). Build a big fence across the US/Mexican border. After the 6 month period expires and the majority of the 35 million illegals have stepped forward THEN you crack the whip on illegal immigration. After the 6 month period expires, no questions ask, all illegals caught thereafter are deported. Now 35 million people can stop living in paranoia, get drivers licenses, BUY CARS (a lot of them are scared to drive and would purchase a vehicle if they had a license), and as an added bonus 35 million people will pay (over their lifetime) $10,000 a piece for the inconvenience ($350 billion). Case closed!

Make it $50K per offense and then we will see if they leave. America is in the worst financial crisis since they great depression. They don't need illegal immigrants becoming legal and buying used civics, or further depressing areas they are a majority in.

I remember reading a story, forgot where, where a factory was raided and they were all taken by ICE. The next day there was a line around the block of Americans who wanted to do the work. Amazing.

Some of them in my area buy old Corollas and Camrys too. $500 down and $50 week, your job is your credit.

[Heracles 417]

I would say that most are NOT paid under the table. They work for real companies, big name restaurants, and have fake documentation. They get real checks and taxes are taken out. In my wife's current job as well as her previous job not only was the entire kitchen staff ILLEGALS; in both jobs the manager of the kitchen staff was/is also an ILLEGAL!! Matter of fact, in her past job the employer is listed and trades every day on the NASDAQ composite. I know it is hard to believe, but it is true.

If that is the case, that is a joke. These jobs should be going to Americans.

I seriously cannot believe that shlt is allowed to go on.

[sjr09 155]

Here's a newsflash:

90% of the Hispanic landscapers you see are illegals. 90% of all kitchen staff that are of Hispanic descent are also illegal ALIENS!!! It is not just a few here and there. They are in every single city throughout the country; even in my little town of Northville, MI (with less than 7000 residents)! It is incredible!!!! I know this first-hand through some of my wife's previous jobs. I've driven two of her coworkers home and they both told me they are here illegally. And that the entire staff are illegals!! Even major companies (I won't say any names) are staffed with illegal ALIENS!

**So what do I think to do? Well, you can't round up 35 million illegal ALIENS and deport them. That is just wrong, even if they did come here illegally.**

I say legalize all of these ALIENS!!! Give them 6 months to come forward for their US citizenship. Slap them with a $5,000 (or $10,000) fine that is attached to their social security number and is paid off over a lifetime. Make sure that they cannot ever vote because it would permanently change our political system (for the worse). Build a big fence across the US/Mexican border. After the 6 month period expires and the majority of the 35 million illegals have stepped forward THEN you crack the whip on illegal immigration. After the 6 month period expires, no questions ask, all illegals caught thereafter are deported. Now 35 million people can stop living in paranoia, get drivers licenses, BUY CARS (a lot of them are scared to drive and would purchase a vehicle if they had a license), and as an added bonus 35 million people will pay (over their lifetime) $10,000 a piece for the inconvenience ($350 billion). Case closed!

Make it $50K per offense and then we will see if they leave. America is in the worst financial crisis since they great depression. They don't need illegal immigrants becoming legal and buying used civics, or further depressing areas they are a majority in. These jobs and cars should go to Americans living in poverty. Being in Michigan and having Chernobyl 2.0 (Detroit) there, you should appreciate any move to put Americans into jobs.

I remember reading a story, forgot where, where a factory was raided and they were all taken by ICE. The next day there was a line around the block of Americans who wanted to do the work. Amazing.

That was a chicken process plant.

[Niels Bohr 72]

What's wrong with people chitting?

Why are we so jealous with 12 million illegals getting the best job in the world? While we sit there and stuff our face with foot long sandwiches till kingdom cum with the worst jobs in the world, they are working their ####### off at the mere slave-wage labor with utmost dilligence.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

I would say that most are NOT paid under the table. They work for real companies, big name restaurants, and have fake documentation. They get real checks and taxes are taken out. In my wife's current job as well as her previous job not only was the entire kitchen staff ILLEGALS; in both jobs the manager of the kitchen staff was/is also an ILLEGAL!! Matter of fact, in her past job the employer is listed and trades every day on the NASDAQ composite. I know it is hard to believe, but it is true.

If that is the case, that is a joke. These jobs should be going to Americans.

I seriously cannot believe that shlt is allowed to go on.

It shouldn't be going on. E-verify should be mandatory. Employers should be fined for knowingly hiring illegal workers. If they can't work, they won't come and those that are here will go home.

[sjr09 155]

I believe both parties have indicated a desire to do this - so why wouldn't the DHS prepare itself for that...

Because the electorate are, in a majority larger than that for "The Public Option" against amnesty for illegal aliens.

What they support is application and enforcement of the law as it currently stands. And if anyone throws out the "well you get the policy decided by the party in power", how do you get around the fact that in the eyes of the majority of the American people, on the subject of illegal immigration and amnesty, both parties are flat out wrong?

They may be wrong and the "majority" may well be against illegal immigration, but the electorate continues to elect representatives from the two party system knowing full well what their position is on this issue.

That tells me that either the illegal immigration problem isn't as bad as claimed, or (more likely) that it isn't as important as other issues in determining who wins elections.

So whats bad about this? Examples of Serious Crimes of Illegal Aliens

September 2009 — Eleazar Rangel-Ochoa, an illegal alien, pled no contest to driving under suspension and motor vehicle homicide. He caused an accident that killed a 4-year old. He was driving without a license because it was suspended after three drunken-driving convictions prior to 2003, which did not lead to his being identified for deportation. http://www.fairus.org/site/News2?page=News...ws_iv_ctrl=1010

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I believe both parties have indicated a desire to do this - so why wouldn't the DHS prepare itself for that...

Because the electorate are, in a majority larger than that for "The Public Option" against amnesty for illegal aliens.

What they support is application and enforcement of the law as it currently stands. And if anyone throws out the "well you get the policy decided by the party in power", how do you get around the fact that in the eyes of the majority of the American people, on the subject of illegal immigration and amnesty, both parties are flat out wrong?

They may be wrong and the "majority" may well be against illegal immigration, but the electorate continues to elect representatives from the two party system knowing full well what their position is on this issue.

That tells me that either the illegal immigration problem isn't as bad as claimed, or (more likely) that it isn't as important as other issues in determining who wins elections.

So whats bad about this? Examples of Serious Crimes of Illegal Aliens

September 2009 — Eleazar Rangel-Ochoa, an illegal alien, pled no contest to driving under suspension and motor vehicle homicide. He caused an accident that killed a 4-year old. He was driving without a license because it was suspended after three drunken-driving convictions prior to 2003, which did not lead to his being identified for deportation. http://www.fairus.org/site/News2?page=News...ws_iv_ctrl=1010

A curious interpretation of my meaning.

[웃 910]

Why are we so jealous with 12 million illegals getting the best job in the world? While we sit there and stuff our face with foot long sandwiches till kingdom cum with the worst jobs in the world, they are working their ####### off at the mere slave-wage labor with utmost dilligence.

What is on your mind?

[sjr09 155]

I would say that most are NOT paid under the table. They work for real companies, big name restaurants, and have fake documentation. They get real checks and taxes are taken out. In my wife's current job as well as her previous job not only was the entire kitchen staff ILLEGALS; in both jobs the manager of the kitchen staff was/is also an ILLEGAL!! Matter of fact, in her past job the employer is listed and trades every day on the NASDAQ composite. I know it is hard to believe, but it is true.

If that is the case, that is a joke. These jobs should be going to Americans.

I seriously cannot believe that shlt is allowed to go on.

It shouldn't be going on. E-verify should be mandatory. Employers should be fined for knowingly hiring illegal workers. If they can't work, they won't come and those that are here will go home.

Yeah you would think?

Obama, Napolitano Scrap DHS No-Match Rule, Affirm E-Verify Rule for Federal Contractors

The Obama Administration and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) made two policy announcements this week. The first will help illegal aliens keep their current jobs and make it easier for illegal aliens to commit Social Security fraud. The second merely restates a Bush-era regulation regarding the use of E-Verify by federal contractors.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I would say that most are NOT paid under the table. They work for real companies, big name restaurants, and have fake documentation. They get real checks and taxes are taken out. In my wife's current job as well as her previous job not only was the entire kitchen staff ILLEGALS; in both jobs the manager of the kitchen staff was/is also an ILLEGAL!! Matter of fact, in her past job the employer is listed and trades every day on the NASDAQ composite. I know it is hard to believe, but it is true.

If that is the case, that is a joke. These jobs should be going to Americans.

I seriously cannot believe that shlt is allowed to go on.

It shouldn't be going on. E-verify should be mandatory. Employers should be fined for knowingly hiring illegal workers. If they can't work, they won't come and those that are here will go home.

Yeah you would think?

Obama, Napolitano Scrap DHS No-Match Rule, Affirm E-Verify Rule for Federal Contractors

The Obama Administration and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) made two policy announcements this week. The first will help illegal aliens keep their current jobs and make it easier for illegal aliens to commit Social Security fraud. The second merely restates a Bush-era regulation regarding the use of E-Verify by federal contractors.

Oh noes...the world is going to end. Haven't you got better things to worry about? How this effects your immigration process is beyond me.

[sjr09 155]

I would say that most are NOT paid under the table. They work for real companies, big name restaurants, and have fake documentation. They get real checks and taxes are taken out. In my wife's current job as well as her previous job not only was the entire kitchen staff ILLEGALS; in both jobs the manager of the kitchen staff was/is also an ILLEGAL!! Matter of fact, in her past job the employer is listed and trades every day on the NASDAQ composite. I know it is hard to believe, but it is true.

If that is the case, that is a joke. These jobs should be going to Americans.

I seriously cannot believe that shlt is allowed to go on.

It shouldn't be going on. E-verify should be mandatory. Employers should be fined for knowingly hiring illegal workers. If they can't work, they won't come and those that are here will go home.

Yeah you would think?

Obama, Napolitano Scrap DHS No-Match Rule, Affirm E-Verify Rule for Federal Contractors

The Obama Administration and the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) made two policy announcements this week. The first will help illegal aliens keep their current jobs and make it easier for illegal aliens to commit Social Security fraud. The second merely restates a Bush-era regulation regarding the use of E-Verify by federal contractors.

Oh noes...the world is going to end. Haven't you got better things to worry about? How this effects your immigration process is beyond me.

Just shows how smart you are, this is an off topic subject and nothing to do with 'my' immigration process. I'm done with it the legal way!! D.A.

I can ask you the same?

Edited October 6, 2009 by sjr09