Despite Rising Unemployment, DHS Prepares for Amnesty

[Pooky 3,786]

I believe both parties have indicated a desire to do this - so why wouldn't the DHS prepare itself for that...

Because the electorate are, in a majority larger than that for "The Public Option" against amnesty for illegal aliens.

What they support is application and enforcement of the law as it currently stands. And if anyone throws out the "well you get the policy decided by the party in power", how do you get around the fact that in the eyes of the majority of the American people, on the subject of illegal immigration and amnesty, both parties are flat out wrong?

[Heracles 417]

I'm not really sure what other choice they have at this point. It would probably be too expensive to round them all up and deport them. Impractical, too. They do it bit by bit now, as they can but what good does that really do?

Do what the UK and AUS does, that is, fine the hell out of employers caught hiring them.

[Mark&Steph 0]

Do what the UK and AUS does, that is, fine the hell out of employers caught hiring them.

Hey, I'm all for that. I've always thought that would really curb the flow of people coming in if they didn't have such an easy guarantee of work.

[ScottThuy 140]

Since entering the country illegally is a crime, any amnesty should be coupled with a serious fine that can be paid over time and a couple of years of supervised probation... Job creation I say! How many are there? How much $ could be generated if they each had to pay a $5,000 fine? along with court costs and cost of supervision?

Violate any terms of this agreement and deportation... life ban

[Niels Bohr 72]

Does anybody know how many Engineers are needed in the DoD?

Over 1000s! I checked IEEE Job Site. The Requirements are to pursue a major in Engineering at an accredited University. And, basic requirements is a Bachelors of Science.

Starting Salary ~ 87k -143k !!! This is just the Computer and Electrical Engineering positions. Primarily, they're looking for Computer Engineers.

Edited October 6, 2009 by Niels Bohr

[Pooky 3,786]

Since entering the country illegally is a crime, any amnesty should be coupled with a serious fine that can be paid over time and a couple of years of supervised probation... Job creation I say! How many are there? How much $ could be generated if they each had to pay a $5,000 fine? along with court costs and cost of supervision?

Violate any terms of this agreement and deportation... life ban

Fixed that for you.

[ScottThuy 140]

I'm not really sure what other choice they have at this point. It would probably be too expensive to round them all up and deport them. Impractical, too. They do it bit by bit now, as they can but what good does that really do?

Do what the UK and AUS does, that is, fine the hell out of employers caught hiring them.

Too much cronyism for that to ever happen...

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I believe both parties have indicated a desire to do this - so why wouldn't the DHS prepare itself for that...

Because the electorate are, in a majority larger than that for "The Public Option" against amnesty for illegal aliens.

What they support is application and enforcement of the law as it currently stands. And if anyone throws out the "well you get the policy decided by the party in power", how do you get around the fact that in the eyes of the majority of the American people, on the subject of illegal immigration and amnesty, both parties are flat out wrong?

They may be wrong and the "majority" may well be against illegal immigration, but the electorate continues to elect representatives from the two party system knowing full well what their position is on this issue.

That tells me that either the illegal immigration problem isn't as bad as claimed, or (more likely) that it isn't as important as other issues in determining who wins elections.

[Heracles 417]

I believe both parties have indicated a desire to do this - so why wouldn't the DHS prepare itself for that...

Both parties are trying to win votes at the expense of Americas.

Similar to what you said to me a while back about Australia being able to offer better services because of the lower population, can you imagine dumping 1 million poor people in Australia. The economy would collapse and everyone would suffer. Excluding compassionate grounds and financial gain to those profiteering from the cheap labor, there is no benefit of illegal aliens to the country let alone its people. Furthermore, when a country's economy has suffered dearly, with an ever increasing unemployment rate, adding more people cannot possibly lift it up; for reasons mentioned above. Hence, why Australia just cut their immigration quota for this year.

Edited October 6, 2009 by Booyah!

[Niels Bohr 72]

Why worry about the measly jobs?

[ScottThuy 140]

Since entering the country illegally is a crime, any amnesty should be coupled with a serious fine that can be paid over time and a couple of years of supervised probation... Job creation I say! How many are there? How much $ could be generated if they each had to pay a $5,000 fine? along with court costs and cost of supervision?

Violate any terms of this agreement and deportation... life ban

Fixed that for you.

too many liberals and businesses that already employ them illegally to just do a life ban and boot them out... they will get some form of amnesty unfortunatly... so why not fine the ####### out of them and treat them like the criminals they are if we must allow them to stay here?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Since entering the country illegally is a crime, any amnesty should be coupled with a serious fine that can be paid over time and a couple of years of supervised probation... Job creation I say! How many are there? How much $ could be generated if they each had to pay a $5,000 fine? along with court costs and cost of supervision?

Violate any terms of this agreement and deportation... life ban

It isn't a crime though. That's been addressed several times on here.

The only time illegal entry becomes a felony offence is if you re-enter the country after a deportation.

You say job creation - to me it sounds a lot like indentured slavery.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Only someone who does not give a ####### about their country or their people would condone illegal immigration.

Especially during the worst recession since the great depression.

Amnesty isn't condoning anything. It's applying a pragmatic solution to the problem when there are no other viable alternatives to dealing with the millions of undocumented workers already here. I'm sure if someone could come up with another reasonable and viable option, that would be considered. There isn't...just like there wasn't back when Reagan granted amnesty.

If these guys are processed and granted residency, there better be a sound system in place to stop it from happening again. Otherwise this country will end up the laughing stock of the developed world. To be honest, I am sick of having to defend the country's incompetence abroad against people who use this ####### against me, to attack the country.

Converting everyone's social security card to EAD standard would nip the issue in the butt overnight. As would increasing the fines to a price point that actually affect an employer, like $15k per offense, with possible jail time for multiple offenders.

It's an economic problem, which is why the numbers of illegals entering this country has dropped significantly. Fix the economic disparity between ourselves and our neighbors to the south and we'll all eventually have a more fondness towards them the way we do with our neighbors to the north.

[Pooky 3,786]

I believe both parties have indicated a desire to do this - so why wouldn't the DHS prepare itself for that...

Because the electorate are, in a majority larger than that for "The Public Option" against amnesty for illegal aliens.

What they support is application and enforcement of the law as it currently stands. And if anyone throws out the "well you get the policy decided by the party in power", how do you get around the fact that in the eyes of the majority of the American people, on the subject of illegal immigration and amnesty, both parties are flat out wrong?

They may be wrong and the "majority" may well be against illegal immigration, but the electorate continues to elect representatives from the two party system knowing full well what their position is on this issue.

That tells me that either the illegal immigration problem isn't as bad as claimed, or (more likely) that it isn't as important as other issues in determining who wins elections.

I fail to understand how you can continue to talk complete rot. The electorate know full well that any vote for a party other than the Blue or the Red will be a wasted vote. They vote because the choice is lacking. They protest strongly, as they did when GWB proposed his "amnesty" program and hope their voice is loud enough to turn back the tide once again.

So far, the electorate have been heard and heeded. With the Dimocrats now in absolute control of Federal Government, likely this time they will be ignored. Should this legislation be brought to vote before November 2010, it may well be the death knell for a number of representatives' political careers, as it damn well should.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

That is great news. What else do the millions of Americans out of work or in poverty need than even more unskilled labor to compete with.

I am sure, as usual they will claim they are putting measures in place to ensure this does not happen again; which we know is a bunch of bullcrap. While in another 10 to 15 years the US is at the same place. Only difference is that by then rather than 50 million in poverty, 80 million will be living in poverty.

This is just another conscription of slave labor. Giving amnesty will make these people legal, then they will demand minimum wage (or more) and cannot compete with Americans. The current illegal workers will be tossed out of work when they demand higher wages and will be replaced by a new flood of illegal immigrants to work cheaply. The new legal immigrants will be eligible to be dependent on the government making many new votes for Democrats among their family and friends. Republicans will have a new wave of illegal immigrants to work cheaply and everyone will be happy. It will have little effect on the ucrrent job situation, except for illegal immigrants who will be replaced by the new illegal immigrants.

When the country (politicians) wish to get serious about this and stop using slaves as a political football, they will impose a $500,000 per day tax on each illegal immigrant employed. Seize busineses and property to pay the tax. The economic incentive will immediately halt, the illegals will return to where they CAN work (all by themselves, the same way they got here) and the situation will be solved. Slavery will be ended once and for all. But until the economic penalty outweighs the economic risk, employers will continue to seek illegal (cheap, basically slave) labor and the illegals will continue to respond to he economis call. No amount of fence will keep them out. No need for deproting anyone. They came here for economic reasons and they will leave for economic reasons.

I am appalled at the lack of respect shown to our fellow man in continuing this aberation of holding people as second class citizens, living in poor conditions, unable to report abuse. It is nothing more than the continuation of slavery in this country without the need to house or care for the slaves or the need to buy them. It is racist, and inhumane.

It is not about jobs, Our good jobs are being shipped overseas legally to avoid draconian taxes, we are exporting good jobs OUT. THOSE are the jobs WE need. But politicians want you to be distracted by the jobs issue while they feed their personal interests (dependent voters and/or cheap labor).

Gte a clue. About every 20 years or so we need to draft more illegals into slavery. Such is the price of maintaining anunderclass, it has to be refilled every so often and this is oh so more efficient than slave ships. It is about that time.