129F question 18 Overkill?

[gsxjoey 0]

Hey guys, I've just finished getting my petition together and ready to mail it tomorrow. I was just wondering is a page and a half single spaced overkill for the 129F supplement? Also are 14 pictures too much to include in the packet?

I've just been following the K-1 Guides on the site and I swear Ive checked every form at least a thousand times but can I just use some airplane tickets from when I went to Korea, and a Certificate of enrollment from the school in Korea that was attending this past summer to learn Korean as proof of having met?

Finally is it really necessary to include proof of an ongoing relationship if its not one of the requirements for the 129F? does uscis even check for that?

[kasp 0]

Hey guys, I've just finished getting my petition together and ready to mail it tomorrow. I was just wondering is a page and a half single spaced overkill for the 129F supplement? Also are 14 pictures too much to include in the packet?

I've just been following the K-1 Guides on the site and I swear Ive checked every form at least a thousand times but can I just use some airplane tickets from when I went to Korea, and a Certificate of enrollment from the school in Korea that was attending this past summer to learn Korean as proof of having met?

Finally is it really necessary to include proof of an ongoing relationship if its not one of the requirements for the 129F? does uscis even check for that?

Your pictures are enough evidence to show that you have met already and thats the most important thing u should prove.. better if your photos has date stamps also, receipts of hotel, restaurants, shopping etc... plane ticket is a good evidence as well ... Just remember to keep all your original documents with you, just send all the Photocopy, preferably colored photocopy. It may cost a lil more but its worth it, for the one you Love ... the Proofs of on goin relationship ... your fiance will have to prove that to her Consular Interview later on after approval of the petition ... GOODLUCK GUYS!!!

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Hey guys, I've just finished getting my petition together and ready to mail it tomorrow. I was just wondering is a page and a half single spaced overkill for the 129F supplement? Also are 14 pictures too much to include in the packet?

I've just been following the K-1 Guides on the site and I swear Ive checked every form at least a thousand times but can I just use some airplane tickets from when I went to Korea, and a Certificate of enrollment from the school in Korea that was attending this past summer to learn Korean as proof of having met?

Finally is it really necessary to include proof of an ongoing relationship if its not one of the requirements for the 129F? does uscis even check for that?

It is a description of how you MET IN PERSON.

"I was returning from a trip to Ukraine on September 19, 2007 and had a layover in Prague, CZ. I met Alla while waiting in line to buy bus tickets to the city"

That is IT. That is ALL. I included ONE photo of us together and boarding pass copies and passport stamps for that trip. Approved in 58 days without RFE.

Exactly HOW could I have made 1-1/2 pages out of that? Even if we had met online or corresponded for 25 years (irrelevent to question 18) I can describe it in two sentences, TOPS.

"I met Alla online in 1976, shortly after I invented the internet for the purpose of meeting foreign chicks in the Soviet Union. I flew to Ukraine last year and she met me at the airport" There. It doe snot matter how you were "introduced" it matters where and how you MET IN PERSON.

Hey guys, I've just finished getting my petition together and ready to mail it tomorrow. I was just wondering is a page and a half single spaced overkill for the 129F supplement? Also are 14 pictures too much to include in the packet?

I've just been following the K-1 Guides on the site and I swear Ive checked every form at least a thousand times but can I just use some airplane tickets from when I went to Korea, and a Certificate of enrollment from the school in Korea that was attending this past summer to learn Korean as proof of having met?

Finally is it really necessary to include proof of an ongoing relationship if its not one of the requirements for the 129F? does uscis even check for that?

NO proof of ongoing relationship is required for the I-129f. The proof you suggest, along with some photos of you togetheris sufficient.

[baron555 934]

Hey guys, I've just finished getting my petition together and ready to mail it tomorrow. I was just wondering is a page and a half single spaced overkill for the 129F supplement? Also are 14 pictures too much to include in the packet?

I used only two sentences and it all fit in the box on the form. A page and a half is way overkill; why bore the adjucator?

I've just been following the K-1 Guides on the site and I swear Ive checked every form at least a thousand times but can I just use some airplane tickets from when I went to Korea,

What about stamps in your passport?

and a Certificate of enrollment from the school in Korea that was attending this past summer to learn Korean as proof of having met?

Do you mean you the USC enrolled in a Korean school and during this time is when you met? This is perfect evidence.

If you mean she (or he) enrolled in a school while you the USC were not there, then this is not good evidence.

Photos are secondary evidence.

Finally is it really necessary to include proof of an ongoing relationship if its not one of the requirements for the 129F? does uscis even check for that?

No USCIS does not check but the Embassy folks will see that. Some consulates have a habit of checking for that. Check out country/consulate specific information. I did include a small packet with my filing.

[JimVaPhuong 4,863]

Hey guys, I've just finished getting my petition together and ready to mail it tomorrow. I was just wondering is a page and a half single spaced overkill for the 129F supplement? Also are 14 pictures too much to include in the packet?

I've just been following the K-1 Guides on the site and I swear Ive checked every form at least a thousand times but can I just use some airplane tickets from when I went to Korea, and a Certificate of enrollment from the school in Korea that was attending this past summer to learn Korean as proof of having met?

Finally is it really necessary to include proof of an ongoing relationship if its not one of the requirements for the 129F? does uscis even check for that?

If by "airline tickets" you mean boarding passes, then yes - those are good evidence. If you mean the little cards or itineraries you get from the travel agent, then no - not good evidence. Boarding passes and passport stamps prove you got on the plane and traveled. Other stuff, like documents from the travel agent and payment receipts, show you booked a seat or purchased a ticket, but don't prove you actually made the trip.

Likewise with the certificate of enrollment. Is it obvious from reading the certificate that you actually attended the school, or does it just show that you enrolled? If it only shows that you enrolled but not that you attended then it's not very good evidence.

People do sometimes go to extraordinary lengths to try to prove a trip they never actually made, so you should have at least some evidence that confirms you actually made the trip. Secondary evidence, like photos, help to prove you actually met. In order for USCIS to believe the secondary evidence is credible, you need some primary evidence to prove you traveled. How many photos you include is up to you. People have gotten approved petitions with only one photo, but people have gotten RFE's with 3 or 4 photos. It just depends on how convincing your evidence is in total.

Proof of ongoing relationship isn't needed to get the petition approved. Many people choose to include it with the petition because it can sometimes help at the consulate stage. A consular officer has a good chance of seeing evidence you include with the petition, while they may not look at evidence the beneficiary brings to the interview. Question 18 provides a good opportunity to include some of this evidence, which is why some people write a long statement about their visits with their fiancee, and include lots of photos. It also gives you an opportunity to address any red flags in your case that might cause trouble at the consulate stage. Strictly speaking, USCIS only needs a very brief statement describing how you physically met at least one time in the past two years - one or two sentences is enough to get a petition approved. Unless you think that 1 1/2 page dissertation is going to help at the consulate, you don't need to include that much with the petition.

[tallcoolone 102]

Hey guys, I've just finished getting my petition together and ready to mail it tomorrow. I was just wondering is a page and a half single spaced overkill for the 129F supplement? Also are 14 pictures too much to include in the packet?

I've just been following the K-1 Guides on the site and I swear Ive checked every form at least a thousand times but can I just use some airplane tickets from when I went to Korea, and a Certificate of enrollment from the school in Korea that was attending this past summer to learn Korean as proof of having met?

Finally is it really necessary to include proof of an ongoing relationship if its not one of the requirements for the 129F? does uscis even check for that?

It is a description of how you MET IN PERSON.

"I was returning from a trip to Ukraine on September 19, 2007 and had a layover in Prague, CZ. I met Alla while waiting in line to buy bus tickets to the city"

That is IT. That is ALL. I included ONE photo of us together and boarding pass copies and passport stamps for that trip. Approved in 58 days without RFE.

Exactly HOW could I have made 1-1/2 pages out of that? Even if we had met online or corresponded for 25 years (irrelevent to question 18) I can describe it in two sentences, TOPS.

"I met Alla online in 1976, shortly after I invented the internet for the purpose of meeting foreign chicks in the Soviet Union. I flew to Ukraine last year and she met me at the airport" There. It doe snot matter how you were "introduced" it matters where and how you MET IN PERSON.

Agreed, It seems like the OP tried to write Romance Novel

My was only 2 lines also, "Something along the lines I was in Philippines for a vacation, I walked into a Jollibee to have lunch, I meet Anais while waiting in line for lunch"

I included about 6 pics and it took 3 months total from time of NOA1 unitl her Visa Interview at USEM.

[pushbrk 12,898]

Hey guys, I've just finished getting my petition together and ready to mail it tomorrow. I was just wondering is a page and a half single spaced overkill for the 129F supplement? Also are 14 pictures too much to include in the packet?

I've just been following the K-1 Guides on the site and I swear Ive checked every form at least a thousand times but can I just use some airplane tickets from when I went to Korea, and a Certificate of enrollment from the school in Korea that was attending this past summer to learn Korean as proof of having met?

Finally is it really necessary to include proof of an ongoing relationship if its not one of the requirements for the 129F? does uscis even check for that?

If by "airline tickets" you mean boarding passes, then yes - those are good evidence. If you mean the little cards or itineraries you get from the travel agent, then no - not good evidence. Boarding passes and passport stamps prove you got on the plane and traveled. Other stuff, like documents from the travel agent and payment receipts, show you booked a seat or purchased a ticket, but don't prove you actually made the trip.

Likewise with the certificate of enrollment. Is it obvious from reading the certificate that you actually attended the school, or does it just show that you enrolled? If it only shows that you enrolled but not that you attended then it's not very good evidence.

People do sometimes go to extraordinary lengths to try to prove a trip they never actually made, so you should have at least some evidence that confirms you actually made the trip. Secondary evidence, like photos, help to prove you actually met. In order for USCIS to believe the secondary evidence is credible, you need some primary evidence to prove you traveled. How many photos you include is up to you. People have gotten approved petitions with only one photo, but people have gotten RFE's with 3 or 4 photos. It just depends on how convincing your evidence is in total.

Proof of ongoing relationship isn't needed to get the petition approved. Many people choose to include it with the petition because it can sometimes help at the consulate stage. A consular officer has a good chance of seeing evidence you include with the petition, while they may not look at evidence the beneficiary brings to the interview. Question 18 provides a good opportunity to include some of this evidence, which is why some people write a long statement about their visits with their fiancee, and include lots of photos. It also gives you an opportunity to address any red flags in your case that might cause trouble at the consulate stage. Strictly speaking, USCIS only needs a very brief statement describing how you physically met at least one time in the past two years - one or two sentences is enough to get a petition approved. Unless you think that 1 1/2 page dissertation is going to help at the consulate, you don't need to include that much with the petition.

IMO, this is the best and most complete answer. Rarely is there a need to write more than will fit in the space alotted for item 18. Photos are secondary evidence. Boarding passes, not tickets are evidence of travel. Actual evidence you were in Korea is what is needed. A few pages of evidence of regular communication is a good idea. For the photos together, I suggest multiple photos printed per page on full sheets of plain paper. This assures they'll fit in the two-hole Acco fastener file folder and not get lost. I'd discard the letter and be brief on the form.

[illnevergetthis 5]

Pictures is what you need to prove that you met in person. If your SO doesn't speak English, then the proof that you learned her language will come in handy.

I had an RFE for proof that we speak each others language at the USCIS stage. I sent transcripts and that took care of that.

Good luck with your Journey.

[pushbrk 12,898]

Pictures is what you need to prove that you met in person. If your SO doesn't speak English, then the proof that you learned her language will come in handy.

I had an RFE for proof that we speak each others language at the USCIS stage. I sent transcripts and that took care of that.

Good luck with your Journey.

Photographs are secondary evidence. Passport stamps, boarding passes and receipts in country are primary evidence. We've seen cases denied or RFE'd for lack of primary evidence when only photographs were included as evidence when filing.

[jwk2003 3]

Hey guys, I've just finished getting my petition together and ready to mail it tomorrow. I was just wondering is a page and a half single spaced overkill for the 129F supplement? Also are 14 pictures too much to include in the packet?

I've just been following the K-1 Guides on the site and I swear Ive checked every form at least a thousand times but can I just use some airplane tickets from when I went to Korea, and a Certificate of enrollment from the school in Korea that was attending this past summer to learn Korean as proof of having met?

Finally is it really necessary to include proof of an ongoing relationship if its not one of the requirements for the 129F? does uscis even check for that?

It is a description of how you MET IN PERSON.

"I was returning from a trip to Ukraine on September 19, 2007 and had a layover in Prague, CZ. I met Alla while waiting in line to buy bus tickets to the city"

That is IT. That is ALL. I included ONE photo of us together and boarding pass copies and passport stamps for that trip. Approved in 58 days without RFE.

Exactly HOW could I have made 1-1/2 pages out of that? Even if we had met online or corresponded for 25 years (irrelevent to question 18) I can describe it in two sentences, TOPS.

"I met Alla online in 1976, shortly after I invented the internet for the purpose of meeting foreign chicks in the Soviet Union. I flew to Ukraine last year and she met me at the airport" There. It doe snot matter how you were "introduced" it matters where and how you MET IN PERSON.

Hey guys, I've just finished getting my petition together and ready to mail it tomorrow. I was just wondering is a page and a half single spaced overkill for the 129F supplement? Also are 14 pictures too much to include in the packet?

I've just been following the K-1 Guides on the site and I swear Ive checked every form at least a thousand times but can I just use some airplane tickets from when I went to Korea, and a Certificate of enrollment from the school in Korea that was attending this past summer to learn Korean as proof of having met?

Finally is it really necessary to include proof of an ongoing relationship if its not one of the requirements for the 129F? does uscis even check for that?

NO proof of ongoing relationship is required for the I-129f. The proof you suggest, along with some photos of you togetheris sufficient.

lol same here. I didn't find this website until after I have submitted my k1 packet information. I just printed out one page of digital pictures (4). I included copies of my boarding pass and probably some chat messages "can't remember."

[illnevergetthis 5]

Pictures is what you need to prove that you met in person. If your SO doesn't speak English, then the proof that you learned her language will come in handy.

I had an RFE for proof that we speak each others language at the USCIS stage. I sent transcripts and that took care of that.

Good luck with your Journey.

Photographs are secondary evidence. Passport stamps, boarding passes and receipts in country are primary evidence. We've seen cases denied or RFE'd for lack of primary evidence when only photographs were included as evidence when filing.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I didn't mean not to send the other evidence. I was referring to the school. It is better to send photos of them together as proof of meeting instead of showing that he went to school there. Sorry for any lack of clarity.

[gsxjoey 0]

Thanks for all the input everyone I finally figured it out. I guess I miss understood the question on the 129F where it ask about how we met within the past 2 years. I thought this meant exactly how many times I've seen her or visited her within the 2 years, when in actually from what you guys are saying it just means how we first met.

So I made a 2 sentence answer to fit in the box and left my romance novel as kind of something to explain our ongoing relationship haha.

As far as evidence goes I included copies of itineraries and boarding passes. Also i used my passport as my proof of citizenship and it has my visa immigration stamps from Korea in there as well that should work right? And the School enrollment cert. from Korea includes attendance dates so it should be fine.

I mailed it to the VSC yesterday with the whole sha-bang in the packet. There goes 455 dollars haha but we are happy that we have begun our visa journey! good luck to all the rest of you October filers!

[RANNK1 8]

Thanks for all the input everyone I finally figured it out. I guess I miss understood the question on the 129F where it ask about how we met within the past 2 years. I thought this meant exactly how many times I've seen her or visited her within the 2 years, when in actually from what you guys are saying it just means how we first met.

So I made a 2 sentence answer to fit in the box and left my romance novel as kind of something to explain our ongoing relationship haha.

As far as evidence goes I included copies of itineraries and boarding passes. Also i used my passport as my proof of citizenship and it has my visa immigration stamps from Korea in there as well that should work right? And the School enrollment cert. from Korea includes attendance dates so it should be fine.

I mailed it to the VSC yesterday with the whole sha-bang in the packet. There goes 455 dollars haha but we are happy that we have begun our visa journey! good luck to all the rest of you October filers!

hello: I petitioned my fiance with 20 photos and wrote the dates and names of people and location on the backs of all the photos. I also has a single spaced full page of question 18. I included plane tickets, boarding passes, letters, emails, IM, receipts for travel, copies of all pages of passport ( to show stamps) Basically, the petition was three pounds in weight. He was approved in 80 days at California Service Center.

[hawkeyesk 0]

I only wrote a short paragraph for the how we met question "We first meet online on XX date while XXXX, first face to face meeting on XX date and had a awesome time together ....."

As for the evidence

- boarding pass

- passport stamp

- 2 - 4 photos (together with date and place)

- I also include a credit card statement and hotel bill of proving I was in my fiancee's country during the visit (make sure you cross out any important info like account #)

- Also include supplementary printouts of a few emails and phone record if you can

Got my NOA2 approval without an RFE

[pushbrk 12,898]

Pictures is what you need to prove that you met in person. If your SO doesn't speak English, then the proof that you learned her language will come in handy.

I had an RFE for proof that we speak each others language at the USCIS stage. I sent transcripts and that took care of that.

Good luck with your Journey.

Photographs are secondary evidence. Passport stamps, boarding passes and receipts in country are primary evidence. We've seen cases denied or RFE'd for lack of primary evidence when only photographs were included as evidence when filing.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I didn't mean not to send the other evidence. I was referring to the school. It is better to send photos of them together as proof of meeting instead of showing that he went to school there. Sorry for any lack of clarity.

Now that you've clarified, I must disagree again. Evidence he was actually there going to school would be primary, while photos are secondary. Sending both is an excellent idea. Don't substitute secondary evidence for available primary evidence.