CAN I GET AN AMEN!

[Heracles 417]

BY, no one said society hasn't changed but as you don't actually read what people write you wouldn't know that.

Difference that in my opinion it has not changed for the better. Broken families, drug abuse, lack of consideration for others is hardly better.

[Empress of Groovy 373]

BY I am with you on the sinking social climate, whats funny is one need not even go back to the Fifties to see the stark change.

Maybe I lived a sheltered life but.... I never even heard an adult around me use the "F" word until I was like 15-16.

We are cultivating huge social problems but rest assured, no matter how bad it gets, those who worked so hard to usher it in will remind us "The good'ole Days" were just in our minds and we need to celebrate the "advances" we have made.

(not that we havn't made some, but those are divorced from the real problems we speak of)

Spot on there.

Seniors must just be lying. My own experience must have just been sheltered too. Strange consider as a 10 year old I roamed the streets and not once did I fear for my life. Nowadays and particularly in the US, even as an adult, you have to watch yourself when out in public. As Letterman who I dislike himself put it, back in the days the entire community helped look after and raise your kids. Nowadays you cannot do that. You have to worry whether they are going to be kidnapped, molested, sued or kept locked in someones basement for 20 years.

Only someone on crack, LSD or Meth would not notice the change in society.

Are kids actually in more danger today, or is there just more fear? Statistics please.

[Peikko 1,575]

I find it funny you didn't hear the f word ever in your life before 16 though Danno, I am significantly older than you and while it wasn't something people said every second word in conversation where I lived (although they did in other parts of the country) it was said and it wasn't some scary word that indicated societal degeneration. I don't hear the f word any more frequently now either, where I live in the US and I live in an urban conurbation so I am not quite sure what you are driving at to be honest.

BY, no one said society hasn't changed but as you don't actually read what people write you wouldn't know that.

Difference that in my opinion it has not changed for the better. Broken families, drug abuse, lack of consideration for others is hardly better.

None of these things are new to society. In fact delve a little further back into history and such things were not only prevalent but the norm for a large section of society.

BY I am with you on the sinking social climate, whats funny is one need not even go back to the Fifties to see the stark change.

Maybe I lived a sheltered life but.... I never even heard an adult around me use the "F" word until I was like 15-16.

We are cultivating huge social problems but rest assured, no matter how bad it gets, those who worked so hard to usher it in will remind us "The good'ole Days" were just in our minds and we need to celebrate the "advances" we have made.

(not that we havn't made some, but those are divorced from the real problems we speak of)

Spot on there.

Seniors must just be lying. My own experience must have just been sheltered too. Strange consider as a 10 year old I roamed the streets and not once did I fear for my life. Nowadays and particularly in the US, even as an adult, you have to watch yourself when out in public. As Letterman who I dislike himself put it, back in the days the entire community helped look after and raise your kids. Nowadays you cannot do that. You have to worry whether they are going to be kidnapped, molested, sued or kept locked in someones basement for 20 years.

Only someone on crack, LSD or Meth would not notice the change in society.

Are kids actually in more danger today, or is there just more fear? Statistics please.

I thought we established yesterday that BY's doesn't understand the statistics he posts?

[Heracles 417]

Are kids actually in more danger today, or is there just more fear? Statistics please.

How about you find them? Excluding the graph you posted yesterday, I seem to be the only person who ever bothers illustrating points.

While you are at it, I would like to see the equivalent stats from other developed nations. Just because someone drops from a 9 to a 6 (out of 10), doesn't mean things have improved, if the median of other developed countries is 2; with lower being better of course.

Edited October 6, 2009 by Booyah!

[Empress of Groovy 373]

Are kids actually in more danger today, or is there just more fear? Statistics please.

How about you find them? Excluding the graph you posted yesterday, I seem to be the only person who ever bothers illustrating points.

While you are at it, I would like to see the equivalent stats from other developed nations. Just because someone drops from a 9 to a 6 (out of 10), doesn't mean things have improved, if the median of other developed countries is 2; with lower being better of course.

Me? I didn't make the assertion, champ.

I'm not sure that "I'll make the unsubstantiated statement, you prove it wrong" is the most effective debating technique, but I see it's one you favor.

[Heracles 417]

I thought how we interpret statistics is based on our bias

Fixed.

For example, I have posted statistics before clearing illustrating the high crime rate of illegal aliens. Yet you guys have flat out denied them. My favorite rhetoric is the "well everyone does it".

Edited October 6, 2009 by Booyah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Are kids actually in more danger today, or is there just more fear? Statistics please.

How about you find them? Excluding the graph you posted yesterday, I seem to be the only person who ever bothers illustrating points.

While you are at it, I would like to see the equivalent stats from other developed nations. Just because someone drops from a 9 to a 6 (out of 10), doesn't mean things have improved, if the median of other developed countries is 2; with lower being better of course.

*Sniggers*

Sure, boss. Whatever you say.

[Peikko 1,575]

Well, you sure are entertaining BY, as always.

[Dan J 277]

I thought how we interpret statistics is based on our bias

Fixed.

For example, I have posted statistics before clearing illustrating the high crime rate of illegal aliens. Yet you guys have flat out denied them. My favorite rhetoric is the "well everyone does it".

But you attribute the causation to their immigration status and refuse to consider socio-economic class.

[Heracles 417]

Are kids actually in more danger today, or is there just more fear? Statistics please.

How about you find them? Excluding the graph you posted yesterday, I seem to be the only person who ever bothers illustrating points.

While you are at it, I would like to see the equivalent stats from other developed nations. Just because someone drops from a 9 to a 6 (out of 10), doesn't mean things have improved, if the median of other developed countries is 2; with lower being better of course.

Me? I didn't make the assertion, champ.

I'm not sure that "I'll make the unsubstantiated statement, you prove it wrong" is the most effective debating technique, but I see it's one you favor.

For start we need to know what is being compared.

Number of broken families

Number of kids kidnapped

Number of kids harmed by their own parent

Incidents of vandalism to property

Attitude towards others

Respect for others

Gang activity

Assault of teachers

School shoot-ups

Many of these are hard to quantify.

Well, you sure are entertaining BY, as always.

Sorry Cleo but both you and Pike have a reputation of discrediting others but expecting your own opinion to be taken as gospel.

Edited October 6, 2009 by Booyah!

[Peikko 1,575]

BY, really, you are priceless. My opinion is just that, mine and I have no expectations of what others will do with it at all.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

If society is more dangerous than it was in decades past then we'd surely be looking at massive increases in the national crime rate across the board.

Has this happened I wonder....

[Heracles 417]

But you attribute the causation to their immigration status and refuse to consider socio-economic class.

Why would I care about anyone's class? Rather than worry about Illegal aliens financial problems. we have a duty to look out for, to protect, Americans. . This attitude of leniency towards criminal activities by illegal aliens is not tolerated in any other developed country and for good reason. They have no right to be here. I have never heard of an illegal alien being busted for any crime and having this justified abroad. Why? because they're on their freagin best behavior.

BY, really, you are priceless. My opinion is just that, mine and I have no expectations of what others will do with it at all.

I am not the one who constantly laughs and ridicules those with opposing opinions.

Edited October 6, 2009 by Booyah!

[Heracles 417]

If society is more dangerous than it was in decades past then we'd surely be looking at massive increases in the national crime rate across the board.

Has this happened I wonder....

How many columbines happened back then? Just the other day I saw a video where a teenager walked onto a Chicago bus and started firing. Or was this common too? I am sure you will have me believe it's common in London too, since it's so similar and all to the US. With the entire country's 14 annual deaths by means of firearm. Also must be why every Britt and his dog is migrating to Aus.

How about the word of veteran teachers? They're anecdotal idiots too right.

Edited October 6, 2009 by Booyah!

[Dan J 277]

But you attribute the causation to their immigration status and refuse to consider socio-economic class.

Why would I care about anyone's class? We are here to look out for, to protect, Americans. Rather than worry about Illegal aliens financial problems. This attitude of leniency towards criminal activities by illegal aliens is not tolerated in any other developed country and for good reason. They have no right to be here. I have never heard of an illegal alien being busted for any crime and having this justified abroad. Why? because they're on their freagin best behavior.

You don't get it. By exporting illegal aliens you will do little to affect the crime rate.

A certain percentage of people in the US, are below the poverty level. This is a rate, relative to the entire population. By decreasing the overall population, especially by removing people primarily below poverty level other people will move down to fill in that place. The rate of poverty as a part of the overall population probably wont change. But who belongs to that group will.

In time you will see little difference in crime rates and then you will be advocating for getting rid of <insert socio-economic group here> to reduce the crime rate.

Maybe we can turn Australia back into a penal colony and make not paying your debts a crime again.