CAN I GET AN AMEN!

[Empress of Groovy 373]

The limit of your "proof" is and always has been entirely anecdotal - like the assumption that the US was (socially) a better place in the 1950's because there weren't so many headlines about murders, rapes and the like. Not only is it not true, you have no basis for justifying it - with you it always comes down to what you heard. None of it is empirical - its all what you want to believe.

There is not one person I have spoken to over 60 who will ever say that society is as safe now, as it was back then. A time when a child could walk to school, without being beaten to death or kidnapped. Not one.

Apparently experience is no good when compared to the opinion of Pikey, the writer. Your great writing skills may fool some here but it certainly does not fool me. You conveniently use it to cover up your lack of knowledge and lack of experience in the real world.

Let's see if you can take your own "advice" and stick to the topic rather than sputtering about other posters, particularly No. 6. If you can find time between "praising" good parents and doing a large-scale longitudinal analysis of over-60s and perceived safety.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

The limit of your "proof" is and always has been entirely anecdotal - like the assumption that the US was (socially) a better place in the 1950's because there weren't so many headlines about murders, rapes and the like. Not only is it not true, you have no basis for justifying it - with you it always comes down to what you heard. None of it is empirical - its all what you want to believe.

There is not one person I have spoken to over 60 who will ever say that society is as safe now, as it was back then. When a child could walk to school without being beaten to death or kidnapped. Not one.

Apparently experience is no good when compared to the opinion of Pikey, the writer. Your great writing skills may fool some here but it certainly does not fool me. You conveniently use it to cover up your lack of knowledge and lack of experience.

The perception of society being less safe has a lot to do with the news media (there being a lot more of it today than there was in the 50s). There are actually studies which have shown that the media reporting of certain crimes (violent crime, more specifically) inflates the public perception of its occurrence.

This is *My* opinion, BY - based on what I've read. Its not the recycled claims of unnamed 60 year olds (as if you're the only person who knows people from that generation).

Your opinion on the other hand seems to involve uncritically believing what other people have allegedly told you.

[zqt3344 21]

Private Pike your opinion does not count here, remember that.

The limit of your "proof" is and always has been entirely anecdotal - like the assumption that the US was (socially) a better place in the 1950's because there weren't so many headlines about murders, rapes and the like. Not only is it not true, you have no basis for justifying it - with you it always comes down to what you heard. None of it is empirical - its all what you want to believe.

There is not one person I have spoken to over 60 who will ever say that society is as safe now, as it was back then. When a child could walk to school without being beaten to death or kidnapped. Not one.

Apparently experience is no good when compared to the opinion of Pikey, the writer. Your great writing skills may fool some here but it certainly does not fool me. You conveniently use it to cover up your lack of knowledge and lack of experience.

The perception of society being less safe has a lot to do with the news media (there being a lot more of it today than there was in the 50s). There are actually studies which have shown that the media reporting of certain crimes (violent crime, more specifically) inflates the public perception of its occurrence.

This is *My* opinion, BY - based on what I've read. Its not the recycled claims of unnamed 60 year olds (as if you're the only person who knows people from that generation).

Your opinion on the other hand seems to involve uncritically believing what other people have allegedly told you.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Hmmm... Perhaps you missed my opinion in the idiotic, yet well worded bullcrap.

If you look back a page or two - all I did was give my opinion on the OP article. I ignored the rest, for the reasons I said.

Apparently this is somehow insufficient.

Your opinion is as usual, three sentences at most. With the last two devoted to ridiculing others.

If you disagree with the opinion I gave on the OP article - feel free to air your disagreements.

[Heracles 417]

The perception of society being less safe has a lot to do with the news media (there being a lot more of it today than there was in the 50s). There are actually studies which have shown that the media reporting of certain crimes (violent crime, more specifically) inflates the public perception of its occurrence.

This is *My* opinion, BY - based on what I've read. Its not the recycled claims of unnamed 60 year olds (as if you're the only person who knows people from that generation).

Your opinion on the other hand seems to involve uncritically believing what other people have allegedly told you.

So even during the 80's when I grew up, the media must have just not reported that stuff. The article I posted a few weeks back which discusses crime amongst teens increasing must be wrong as well. The graphs from the CDC illustrating a huge increase in unwed single parent pregnancies must be wrong too. Trying to argue with you on this point is like trying to argue with someone who believes 9/11 was an inside job or that the government is watching them. Doesn't matter what you show or write, they will stick to their incorrect assumption.

Anyone living between NYC to DC who thinks crime is not as issue, is an idiot. No other way to put it. Do you even watch your local news or the national news? Then again you have mentioned numerous times that you do not watch nor care to listen to any media in America. Do you watch any of the various crime shows that actually talk about real murders and crimes?

Best evidence I have of them all is the huge difference in crime between the US vs AUS/UK. No more needed after all. Furthermore, it's not that hard to look at the two and start to figure out the differences in societies that are leading to crime.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Let's see:

I never said that crime isn't an issue.

I don't think that the social issues of today are the same as those in the 50s.

I never said I don't watch or listen to the news media.

Carry on, BY.

[Heracles 417]

Let's see:

I never said that crime isn't an issue.

I don't think that the social issues of today are the same as those in the 50s.

I never said I don't watch or listen to the news media.

Carry on, BY.

riight riight.

That's right, you prefer to discuss the "why" and "causation" rather than fix the actual problem. So why didn't you go to the ghettos and interview the three who killed the one kid walking home from school in Chicago and ask them what the causation for that is? While you are doing that, go speak to the victim's family and tell them you're more interested in the why, rather than justice for their son's death. Or you could go to Maryland where a similar beating happened just this week involving AA kids. Or you could go to the school in Illinois where, yet again, AA kids beat up a student simply trying to sit down and ask them too about causation. These are just empirical anyway, I am sure you have many examples of your own to discredit this.

I guess discussing the why and causation allows disingenuous folks to sell more books. After all, it's exactly why Jesse Jackson types are so popular in the states.

Edited October 5, 2009 by Booyah!

[Empress of Groovy 373]

FYI...

According to the Department of Justice Web site, serious violent crime, property crime, violent crime (as distinct from serious violent crime), and firearm-related crime levels have declined since the mid-90s.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance.htm

[zqt3344 21]

Well that blows in Private Pike uh, Gene Hunt theory about gun slinging Americans now doesn't it. Hey Pike I bet deep down you wish you were American and could own a gun to shoot.

FYI...

According to the Department of Justice Web site, serious violent crime, property crime, violent crime (as distinct from serious violent crime), and firearm-related crime levels have declined since the mid-90s.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance.htm

[mawilson 2,133]

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Let's see:

I never said that crime isn't an issue.

I don't think that the social issues of today are the same as those in the 50s.

I never said I don't watch or listen to the news media.

Carry on, BY.

riight riight.

That's right, you prefer to discuss the "why" and "causation" rather than fix the actual problem. So why didn't you go to the ghettos and interview the three who killed the one kid walking home from school in Chicago and ask them what the causation for that is? While you are doing that, go speak to the victim's family and tell them you're more interested in the why, rather than justice for their son's death. Or you could go to Maryland where a similar beating happened just this week involving AA kids. Or you could go to the school in Illinois where, yet again, AA kids beat up a student simply trying to sit down and ask them too about causation. These are just empirical anyway, I am sure you have many examples of your own to discredit this.

I guess discussing the why and causation allows disingenuous folks to sell more books. After all, it's exactly why Jesse Jackson types are so popular in the states.

This is another tangent BY, that has nothing to do with either what I said or the OP article.

So now its books that are at fault too? You are really priceless BY

FYI...

According to the Department of Justice Web site, serious violent crime, property crime, violent crime (as distinct from serious violent crime), and firearm-related crime levels have declined since the mid-90s.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance.htm

Imagine that

[Chica Yeyé 41]

gimme some of that

[Heracles 417]

FYI...

According to the Department of Justice Web site, serious violent crime, property crime, violent crime (as distinct from serious violent crime), and firearm-related crime levels have declined since the mid-90s.

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/glance.htm

Imagine that

[Heracles 417]

FBI Crime Clock - 2007

Edited October 5, 2009 by Booyah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I think I'll trust the DOJs statistics over that of Googles image search