1 out of 3 Detroit residents are below poverty

[lostinblue 1,989]

There are millions of people from poor countries that migrated to English countries and have made something for themselves. Yes even during the depression and eras when you received no welfare. These migrants took care of their communities and worked with one another. So how is it in 2009 when people with so much provided to them, act as if they have no avenue to success? How does this explain the vandalism of public property or negligence of one's own house and street? As I have said before, I have seen people buying handfuls of DVD's yet using EBT to pay. How about purchasing a can of paint instead? to fix your shitty run down homes. How about spending the time cleaning your property? rather than watching dvd's.

For various communities that pride themselves and have no issues grouping and identifying themselves by ethnicity or region, they sure as hell have a problem working with one another to improve their situation; not to mention improve their community. I just heard someone yesterday on the nightly news discussing violence amongst AA youth in Chicago. With one of the reasons being that they are bored in cities. First off, what the hell are you doing in cities? That is a no brainer. Second of all, since they are bored and have nothing to do, how about working together to fix your community up? Since you love the cities. It certainly has nothing to do with money considering the county in the DC area with the highest crime, also spends the most money per student.

Your last two post have hit the nail on the head. Col. can spin a liberal view point and blame everyone but the person who did the porking and the girl who spread her legs. The fact remains years ago You had a father who looked out for his children . If a daughter did get in a family way there was a shot gun wedding. Today the girls father is in jail and boyfriend of the daughter is in the next cell. The rest of the family wants uncle sam to support them. The war on poverty has failed. It has failed because it is too easy to look for the government to support people who refuse to be responsible for themselves. Children need a father to look up to. Someone who gets up early in the morning shaves , showers,and goes to work. They need someone who can set some rules in the household. Show an example to the children by showing love to their mother, Not a b*** fest every day because they are strung out on booze or drugs. And yes tell that 20 year old grade school dropout to stay the f*** away from his 14 yr old daughter .

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Your last two post have hit the nail on the head. Col. can spin a liberal view point and blame everyone but the person who did the porking and the girl who spread her legs. The fact remains years ago You had a father who looked out for his children . If a daughter did get in a family way there was a shot gun wedding. Today the girls father is in jail and boyfriend of the daughter is in the next cell. The rest of the family wants uncle sam to support them. The war on poverty has failed. It has failed because it is too easy to look for the government to support people who refuse to be responsible for themselves. Children need a father to look up to. Someone who gets up early in the morning shaves , showers,and goes to work. They need someone who can set some rules in the household. Show an example to the children by showing love to their mother, Not a b*** fest every day because they are strung out on booze or drugs. And yes tell that 20 year old grade school dropout to stay the f*** away from his 14 yr old daughter .

Do you have statistics to back up your wild generalizations about unwed pregnancies or do you feel content with just making sh!t up?

[Heracles 417]

That is exactly what's going on. Personal responsibility has gone out the window. It also teachers kids that since you are poor, you don't need to try harder but can just goof and fool around. Spot on. Mother is on drugs and father is in prison, grand pa is serving time and all blaming society. Even though they joked around rather than learn a skill or trade, start a business or go to school.

Today the girls father is in jail and boyfriend of the daughter is in the next cell. The rest of the family wants uncle sam to support them. The war on poverty has failed. It has failed because it is too easy to look for the government to support people who refuse to be responsible for themselves. Children need a father to look up to. Someone who gets up early in the morning shaves , showers,and goes to work. They need someone who can set some rules in the household. Show an example to the children by showing love to their mother, Not a b*** fest every day because they are strung out on booze or drugs. And yes tell that 20 year old grade school dropout to stay the f*** away from his 14 yr old daughter .

[Heracles 417]

Do you have statistics to back up your wild generalizations about unwed pregnancies or do you feel content with just making sh!t up?

[NickD 203]

1 out of 4 in Milwaukee County where a major portion of the population lives. Puts quite a strain on the budget, and my taxes are going down there, so I am getting screwed as well. Wasn't that way when we kept our jobs in this country, who decided we would be better off by exporting our jobs? Would like to pound the ####### out of them.

[Heracles 417]

The next wave of problems is going to be with Hispanic teenagers.

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Teen pregnancy is an important issue. There are health risks for the baby and children born to teenage mothers are more likely to suffer health, social, and emotional problems. Women who become pregnant during their teens have an increased risk for complications, such as premature labor and socioeconomic consequences as well.

Teen pregnancy rates in the United States declined steadily from 1991 to 2005—from 60 out of 1000 teenagers in 1991 to 40.5 out of 1000 in 2005. However, the teen pregnancy rate increased for two years in a row in 2006 and 2007—to more than 42 out of 1000. Approximately one-third of young women in the United States become pregnant during their teens. More than 80% of teen pregnancies are unintended and unintentional. The highest teen birth rate occurs in Hispanic women (83 out of 1000 in 2006).

Declining teen pregnancy rates are thought to be attributed to more effective birth control practice and decreased sexual activity among teens. The most dramatic reduction in teen pregnancy—23%—has occurred among African American teenagers.

Still, teenage pregnancy rates remain high and approximately 1 million teenage girls become pregnant each year in the United States. About 13% of U.S. births involve teen mothers and about 25% of teenage girls who give birth have another baby within 2 years. To lower teen pregnancy rates, older children must be educated about sex and about the consequences of pregnancy.

Other Consequences of Teenage Pregnancy

* Teenage births are associated with lower annual income for the mother. Eighty percent of teen mothers must rely on welfare at some point.

* Teenage mothers are more likely to drop out of school. Only about one-third of teen mothers obtain a high school diploma.

* Teenage pregnancies are associated with increased rates of alcohol and substance abuse, lower educational level, and reduced earning potential in teen fathers.

* In the United States, the annual cost of teen pregnancies from lost tax revenues, public assistance, child health care, foster care, and involvement with the criminal justice system is estimated to be about $7 billion.

http://www.womenshealthchannel.com/teenpregnancy/index.shtml

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Do you have statistics to back up your wild generalizations about unwed pregnancies or do you feel content with just making sh!t up?

That's bible-belt, just-say-no territory. The coastal areas where you have 'inner city' teens is the lowest.

[Heracles 417]

Nearly 40 percent of babies born in the United States in 2007 were delivered by unwed mothers, according to data released last month by the National Center for Health Statistics. The 1.7 million out-of-wedlock births, of 4.3 million total births, marked a more than 25 percent jump from five years before.

Have a look at the following charts which breaks it down by age and race.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/wayoflife/0...ml#cnnSTCOther1

Next wave of wha wha where is my money.

Edited September 30, 2009 by Booyah!

[Heracles 417]

[dalegg 143]

Seems obvious to me that the Government needs to be providing these women with husbands.

[Heracles 417]

Seems obvious to me that the Government needs to be providing these women with husbands.

I am sure that excuse is coming.

The rate amongst Hispanics is just alarming.

[GabiandVi 34]

You can put it any way you want, but I can only teach you how to fish.

I will simplify it even more.

Average Joe Yank = very average to poor

Average Joe Aussie = doing quite well.

Rich Winthrop Yank = Mega mega rich

Rich Winthrop Aussie = average rich

Poor Lashanda Yank = dirt dirt poor

Poor Shazza Aussie = can still live an okay life

Regardless of class Yank = surrounded by run down towns, cities and ghettos. Needs to go to uninhabited nature to see some beauty.

Regardless of class Aussie = surrounded by beautiful modern clean cities.

Sounds like you arrived at this in a scientific manner. Where is your source? If this is based on your limited experience, excuse me if I don't swallow it whole.

[lostinblue 1,989]

Your last two post have hit the nail on the head. Col. can spin a liberal view point and blame everyone but the person who did the porking and the girl who spread her legs. The fact remains years ago You had a father who looked out for his children . If a daughter did get in a family way there was a shot gun wedding. Today the girls father is in jail and boyfriend of the daughter is in the next cell. The rest of the family wants uncle sam to support them. The war on poverty has failed. It has failed because it is too easy to look for the government to support people who refuse to be responsible for themselves. Children need a father to look up to. Someone who gets up early in the morning shaves , showers,and goes to work. They need someone who can set some rules in the household. Show an example to the children by showing love to their mother, Not a b*** fest every day because they are strung out on booze or drugs. And yes tell that 20 year old grade school dropout to stay the f*** away from his 14 yr old daughter .

Do you have statistics to back up your wild generalizations about unwed pregnancies or do you feel content with just making sh!t up?

You are the king on this board when dealing with wild generalizations. Here are some facts from a reliable source.

http://www.cato.org/testimony/ct-wc67.html

Testimony of

Michael Tanner

Director of Health and Welfare Studies

The Cato Institute

Before the:

Senate Judiciary Committee

Subcommittee on Youth Violence

June 7, 1995

Welfare contributes to crime in several ways. First, children from single-parent families are more likely to become involved in criminal activity. According to one study, children raised in single-parent families are one-third more likely to exhibit anti-social behavior.(3) Moreover, O'Neill found that, holding other variables constant, black children from single- parent households are twice as likely to commit crimes as black children from a family where the father is present. Nearly 70 percent of juveniles in state reform institutions come from fatherless homes, as do 43 percent of prison inmates.(4) Research indicates a direct correlation between crime rates and the number of single-parent families in a neighborhood.(5)

See, for example, Douglas Smith and G. Roger Jarjoura, "Social structure and Criminal Victimization," Journal of Research in Crime and Delinquency, February 1988; William Niskanen, "Crime, Police, and Root Causes," Cato Institute Policy Analysis no. 218, November 14, 1994

At the same time, the evidence of a link between the availability of welfare and out-of-wedlock births is overwhelming. There have been 13 major studies of the relationship between the availability of welfare benefits and out-of-wedlock birth. Of these, 11 found a statistically significant correlation. Among the best of these studies is the work done by June O'Neill for the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Holding constant a wide range of variables, including income, education, and urban vs. suburban setting, the study found that a 50 percent increase in the value of AFDC and foodstamp payments led to a 43 percent increase in the number of out-of-wedlock births.(7) Likewise, research by Shelley Lundberg and Robert Plotnick of the University of Washington showed that an increase in welfare benefits of $200 per month per family increased the rate of out-of-wedlock births among teenagers by 150 percent.(8)

Shelley Lundberg and Robert Plotnick, "Adolescent Premarital Childbearing: Do Opportunity Costs Matter?" Population Association of America, May 1990

Of course women do not get pregnant just to get welfare benefits. It is also true that a wide array of other social factors has contributed to the growth in out-of-wedlock births. But, by removing the economic consequences of a out-of-wedlock birth, welfare has removed a major incentive to avoid such pregnancies. A teenager looking around at her friends and neighbors is liable to see several who have given birth out of wedlock. When she sees that they have suffered few visible immediate consequences (the very real consequences of such behavior are often not immediately apparent), she is less inclined to modify her own behavior to prevent pregnancy.

Proof of this can be found in a study by Professor Ellen Freeman of the University of Pennsylvania, who surveyed black, never-pregnant females age 17 or younger. Only 40% of those surveyed said that they thought becoming pregnant in the next year "would make their situation worse."(10) Likewise, a study by Professor Laurie Schwab Zabin for the Journal of Research on Adolescence found that: "in a sample of inner-city black teens presenting for pregnancy tests, we reported that more than 31 percent of those who elected to carry their pregnancy to term told us, before their pregnancy was diagnosed, that they believed a baby would present a problem..."(11) In other words, 69 percent either did not believe having a baby out-of-wedlock would present a problem or were unsure.

Until teenage girls, particularly those living in relative poverty, can be made to see real consequences from pregnancy, it will be impossible to gain control over the problem of out-of- wedlock births. By disguising those consequences, welfare makes it easier for these girls to make the decisions that will lead to unwed motherhood.

As welfare contributes to the rise in out-of-wedlock births and single-parent families, it concomitantly contributes to the associated increase in criminal activity.

Secondly, welfare leads to increased crime by contributing to the marginalization of young black men in society. There are certainly many factors contributing to the increasing alienation and marginalization of young black men, including racism, poverty, and the failure of our educational system. However, welfare contributes as well. The welfare culture tells the man he is not a necessary part of the family. They are in effect cuckolded by the state. Their role of father and breadwinner is supplanted by the welfare check.

The role of marriage and family as a civilizing influence on young men has long been discussed. Whether or not strict causation can be proven, it is certainly true that unwed fathers are more likely to use drugs and become involved in criminal behavior.(14) Indeed, single men are five times more likely to commit violent crimes than married men.(15)

Finally, in areas where there is a high concentration of welfare, there may be an almost total lack of male role models. This can lead to crime in two ways. First, as the Maryland NAACP puts it, "A child whose parents draw a welfare check without going to work does not understand that in this society at least one parent is expected to rise five days of each week to go to some type of job."(16)

Given all of the above, I believe it is clear that our current social welfare system is a significant cause of juvenile crime and violence in America today. Exactly how welfare should be reformed is undoubtedly beyond the scope of this hearing. The Cato Institute's position, however, is well known. Our research indicates that the current federal welfare system cannot be reformed. Accordingly, we have suggested that federal funding of welfare should be ended and responsibility for charity should be shifted first to the states and eventually to the private sector.(18)

In conclusion, let me simple say that, whatever Congress eventually decides to do in the way of welfare reform, I hope that you will recognize the disastrous consequences of our current welfare system. The status quo is plainly and simply unacceptable. The relationship between our failed social welfare system and juvenile violence and crime is one more urgent reason for reform.

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Testimony of

Michael Tanner

Director of Health and Welfare Studies

The Cato Institute

Before the:

Senate Judiciary Committee

Subcommittee on Youth Violence

COL. How can you dispute facts presented before congress . I hope we laid this out in a manner that you can understand

[Heracles 417]

You can put it any way you want, but I can only teach you how to fish.

I will simplify it even more.

Average Joe Yank = very average to poor

Average Joe Aussie = doing quite well.

Rich Winthrop Yank = Mega mega rich

Rich Winthrop Aussie = average rich

Poor Lashanda Yank = dirt dirt poor

Poor Shazza Aussie = can still live an okay life

Regardless of class Yank = surrounded by run down towns, cities and ghettos. Needs to go to uninhabited nature to see some beauty.

Regardless of class Aussie = surrounded by beautiful modern clean cities.

Sounds like you arrived at this in a scientific manner. Where is your source? If this is based on your limited experience, excuse me if I don't swallow it whole.

Since my experience is "limited", where exactly am I wrong?

Edited October 1, 2009 by Booyah!

[spookyturtle 9,466]

You can put it any way you want, but I can only teach you how to fish.

I will simplify it even more.

Average Joe Yank = very average to poor

Average Joe Aussie = doing quite well.

Rich Winthrop Yank = Mega mega rich

Rich Winthrop Aussie = average rich

Poor Lashanda Yank = dirt dirt poor

Poor Shazza Aussie = can still live an okay life

Regardless of class Yank = surrounded by run down towns, cities and ghettos. Needs to go to uninhabited nature to see some beauty.

Regardless of class Aussie = surrounded by beautiful modern clean cities.

Sounds like you arrived at this in a scientific manner. Where is your source? If this is based on your limited experience, excuse me if I don't swallow it whole.

Since my experience is "limited", where exactly am I wrong?

You are wrong as soon as you open your mouth.