guns allowed in arizona bars starting tomorrow

[natty bumppo 297]

Valley bars, eateries get ready for gun-toting patrons

Al McCarthy, owner of Duke's Sports Bar & Grill in Scottsdale, has posted three signs at the entrances to his property to inform patrons that guns are not permitted inside.

by Amy B Wang -

The Arizona Republic

Starting Wednesday, those carrying concealed weapons are allowed to enter Arizona's roughly 5,300 establishments licensed to sell alcohol, as long as they don't drink. If those bar and restaurant owners don't want guns on the property, they must post a sign indicating that they are not allowed.

The law only requires one sign be posted in a "conspicuous" place, near the establishment's liquor license. But Al McCarthy, owner of Duke's Sports Bar & Grill in Scottsdale, put up three signs - one for each entrance to his property - "as soon as the bill passed" nearly three months ago.

"I want to make sure there's no confusion as to where this business stands on the issue," McCarthy said. "I have yet to have a customer to tell me they wish I hadn't put up the sign."

About a thousand official, laminated signs have been requested since they became available in mid-August, according to the Arizona Department of Liquor Licenses and Control, with the average establishment requesting four signs.

Business owners also have been able to download and print their own signs from the department's Web site.

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"I'm not anti-firearm. I honestly don't think that firearms, drinking and dining are a match," said Don Carson, who has owned Don & Charlie's Steakhouse in Scottsdale for 28 years. "I don't know that I'm looking for a gentleman with a permit for a firearm to defend me against a person who has a firearm illegally, because maybe the person with the legal firearm isn't such a good shot."

Thirty-nine other states have "restaurant

carry" laws that allow guns inside dining establishments.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/election/aze...gunlaw0929.html

bar owners are willing to accept responsibility for a persons safety?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Valley bars, eateries get ready for gun-toting patrons

Al McCarthy, owner of Duke's Sports Bar & Grill in Scottsdale, has posted three signs at the entrances to his property to inform patrons that guns are not permitted inside.

by Amy B Wang -

The Arizona Republic

Starting Wednesday, those carrying concealed weapons are allowed to enter Arizona's roughly 5,300 establishments licensed to sell alcohol, as long as they don't drink. If those bar and restaurant owners don't want guns on the property, they must post a sign indicating that they are not allowed.

The law only requires one sign be posted in a "conspicuous" place, near the establishment's liquor license. But Al McCarthy, owner of Duke's Sports Bar & Grill in Scottsdale, put up three signs - one for each entrance to his property - "as soon as the bill passed" nearly three months ago.

"I want to make sure there's no confusion as to where this business stands on the issue," McCarthy said. "I have yet to have a customer to tell me they wish I hadn't put up the sign."

About a thousand official, laminated signs have been requested since they became available in mid-August, according to the Arizona Department of Liquor Licenses and Control, with the average establishment requesting four signs.

Business owners also have been able to download and print their own signs from the department's Web site.

...

"I'm not anti-firearm. I honestly don't think that firearms, drinking and dining are a match," said Don Carson, who has owned Don & Charlie's Steakhouse in Scottsdale for 28 years. "I don't know that I'm looking for a gentleman with a permit for a firearm to defend me against a person who has a firearm illegally, because maybe the person with the legal firearm isn't such a good shot."

Thirty-nine other states have "restaurant

carry" laws that allow guns inside dining establishments.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/election/aze...gunlaw0929.html

bar owners are willing to accept responsibility for a persons safety?

Is that what you think? That if a mad gunmen came into your bar and you had a sign up forbidding patrons from bringing in firearms, you'd be liable if that mad gunmen shot any of your patrons?

[Empress of Groovy 373]

I used to like Shady's, but they hired a couple of dickwad bartenders. It's been a while, tho--maybe I should give them another shot (*snork*).

[natty bumppo 297]

Valley bars, eateries get ready for gun-toting patrons

Al McCarthy, owner of Duke's Sports Bar & Grill in Scottsdale, has posted three signs at the entrances to his property to inform patrons that guns are not permitted inside.

by Amy B Wang -

The Arizona Republic

Starting Wednesday, those carrying concealed weapons are allowed to enter Arizona's roughly 5,300 establishments licensed to sell alcohol, as long as they don't drink. If those bar and restaurant owners don't want guns on the property, they must post a sign indicating that they are not allowed.

The law only requires one sign be posted in a "conspicuous" place, near the establishment's liquor license. But Al McCarthy, owner of Duke's Sports Bar & Grill in Scottsdale, put up three signs - one for each entrance to his property - "as soon as the bill passed" nearly three months ago.

"I want to make sure there's no confusion as to where this business stands on the issue," McCarthy said. "I have yet to have a customer to tell me they wish I hadn't put up the sign."

About a thousand official, laminated signs have been requested since they became available in mid-August, according to the Arizona Department of Liquor Licenses and Control, with the average establishment requesting four signs.

Business owners also have been able to download and print their own signs from the department's Web site.

...

"I'm not anti-firearm. I honestly don't think that firearms, drinking and dining are a match," said Don Carson, who has owned Don & Charlie's Steakhouse in Scottsdale for 28 years. "I don't know that I'm looking for a gentleman with a permit for a firearm to defend me against a person who has a firearm illegally, because maybe the person with the legal firearm isn't such a good shot."

Thirty-nine other states have "restaurant

carry" laws that allow guns inside dining establishments.

http://www.azcentral.com/news/election/aze...gunlaw0929.html

bar owners are willing to accept responsibility for a persons safety?

Is that what you think? That if a mad gunmen came into your bar and you had a sign up forbidding patrons from bringing in firearms, you'd be liable if that mad gunmen shot any of your patrons?

and if someone got hurt because they surrendered their means of protection to follow an individuals rule .... where the law allowed ... how much money you got?

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Is that what you think? That if a mad gunmen came into your bar and you had a sign up forbidding patrons from bringing in firearms, you'd be liable if that mad gunmen shot any of your patrons?

and if someone got hurt because they surrendered their means of protection to follow an individuals rule .... where the law allowed ... how much money you got?

Which is a better risk for you if you were the bar owner's insurance company?

[spookyturtle 9,466]

I think it's crazy to mix guns and alcohol. This seems a bit silly.

Ask justashooter. He'll tell you it's ok.

[natty bumppo 297]

Is that what you think? That if a mad gunmen came into your bar and you had a sign up forbidding patrons from bringing in firearms, you'd be liable if that mad gunmen shot any of your patrons?

and if someone got hurt because they surrendered their means of protection to follow an individuals rule .... where the law allowed ... how much money you got?

Which is a better risk for you if you were the bar owner's insurance company?

i'll let you do your own research ....

[Ban Hammer 13,347]

Wait - it's up to the person carrying a concealed weapon to follow the dictat of a sign - like an honor system of sorts? And they think that will work?

yes, as most cch holders follow the law. and failing to follow it can get their cch revoked.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Yeah, right! Now every bar in Arizona is going to be like a cop bar! Sheesh!

Welcome to the Wild West, hippy!

[Heracles 417]

Is there so sort of secret game being played in the US? Where the stupid have a competition on who can out do the other.

[AlHayatZween 2]

:dance:

Party on!

[Danno 1,228]

I think it's crazy to mix guns and alcohol. This seems a bit silly.

Are you people missing something?

This law only applies to Conceal carry.

The Bar owner has the right to refuse Conceal carry.

No person who is conceal carry is permitted to consume alcohol.

So when you say "Guns and Alcohol don't mix" what does that mean they don't mix if they are in the same room?

Can he sneak enough beer to impair his judgment?

Yes but this type of person would have "skeeked" the gun in anyway so what is the added risk?

This AP story is obviously written in a slanted manor.

How?

-All the comments and opposing points are placed first, and waaaay down near the bottom, they quote a voice in agreement.

- The vast majority of places which serve alcohol are not strip clubs or dives but look at the pics they choose to use in this story.

Sure people can disagree on the logic of this law, I'm not sure how I feel about it myself but!

I recall all the same predictions of "deadly incidents" when states first started passing conceal carry laws.

We heard all about "shoot outs" in town and road rage murders.... but none of this happened, in fact every where that the right to carry "Concealed weapons" passed, crime seemed to go down.

So I say have a little faith in your fellow man, most people who go to the trouble TO get this license are probably just as responsible as you.

The last thing they want to do is loose the right to CC.

Edited September 30, 2009 by Danno

[Heracles 417]

So when you say "Guns and Alcohol don't mix" what does that mean they don't mix if they are in the same room?

Anyone with an IQ higher than 55 should be able to answer that.

[Danno 1,228]

So when you say "Guns and Alcohol don't mix" what does that mean they don't mix if they are in the same room?

Anyone with an IQ higher than 55 should be able to answer that.

I don't want to scare you but there are over 200 million guns in this country, many are in homes with alcohol.

20% of murders are in 4 cites ( and yet just 6% of the national population). These 4 cites have the tuffest gun laws.

I say anyone who qualifies for a CC permit, is probably able to eat dinner in the hotel lounge or Applebees without shooting the place up.

But we can watch the results and adjust if needed.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

So when you say "Guns and Alcohol don't mix" what does that mean they don't mix if they are in the same room?

Anyone with an IQ higher than 55 should be able to answer that.

I don't want to scare you but there are over 200 million guns in this country, many are in homes with alcohol.

20% of murders are in 4 cites ( and yet just 6% of the national population). These 4 cites have the tuffest gun laws.

I say anyone who qualifies for a CC permit, is probably able to eat dinner in the hotel lounge or Applebees without shooting the place up.

But we can watch the results and adjust if needed.

In Australia, anyone carrying a gun in a bar is shot immediately, no questions asked. That is why the bars are safer than they are in the US.