K-1 petition information

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

Wow. This is fantastic. This will be extremely useful to so many of us. Thank you.

The fact that you need no evidence of an on-going relationship is what astounds me the most. And also relieves me! It seems that 'lack of evidence' is one of the main concerns when compiling the packet.

I would assume then that it is at the consulate stage when that 'relationship' evidence is really analyzed. As we've seen though, many consulates do not accept new evidence when you go for your interview. So would you agree it's still best to overload your original packet with evidence, which they are forced to look at?

well it never hurts. I doubt you need it for Australia. Also sending all this with the petition does not FORCE anyone to look at anything but they cannot dent they never saw anything later when USCIS reviews their denial. It is one of those things that if you need it, you are already in heap big problems. It is a recovery tool more than anything, seems like. Maybe it helps with some consulates up front. I just do not see Australia or any of the "1st world" low fraud consulates being that way and have never heard of such a thing. Check the consulate reviews.

[Yahya54 4]

how about i-360(vawa) they take for ever to approve i see poeple get approve in 6 month and other have to wiat 2 years

[Stephen + Elisha 92]

Wow. This is fantastic. This will be extremely useful to so many of us. Thank you.

The fact that you need no evidence of an on-going relationship is what astounds me the most. And also relieves me! It seems that 'lack of evidence' is one of the main concerns when compiling the packet.

I would assume then that it is at the consulate stage when that 'relationship' evidence is really analyzed. As we've seen though, many consulates do not accept new evidence when you go for your interview. So would you agree it's still best to overload your original packet with evidence, which they are forced to look at?

well it never hurts. I doubt you need it for Australia. Also sending all this with the petition does not FORCE anyone to look at anything but they cannot dent they never saw anything later when USCIS reviews their denial. It is one of those things that if you need it, you are already in heap big problems. It is a recovery tool more than anything, seems like. Maybe it helps with some consulates up front. I just do not see Australia or any of the "1st world" low fraud consulates being that way and have never heard of such a thing. Check the consulate reviews.

Agreed. The consulates in developed countries generally don't look at approved K-1s with a presumption of fraud. Certain high-risk, high-fraud consulates do. When dealing with those consulates, many people advise front-loading with everything but the kitchen sink so as to pre-empt any possible reason they might pull out of their hat to throw you into a 221(g) process or deny you outright.

Aside from the "####### consulates," front-loading is probably only necessary if you have major red flags that you need to overcome.

[George&Hazel 1]

Is there any way this post can be stickied?

[thongd4me 69]

Is there any way this post can be stickied?

I think you mean "pinned" - so it will appear at the top.

I don't know the process - ask a moderator.

I agree with you.

[adiiann 163]

Cool!

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

how about i-360(vawa) they take for ever to approve i see poeple get approve in 6 month and other have to wiat 2 years

We did not discuss VAWA or I-601s either. He did mention in passing he thought VAWA was a law with good intent that had been overly abused.

As I recall at that point a couple of hot Russian women (our wives) came along and asked us to dance, to which I can report he is as terrible at that as I am.

[kizza 1]

Thank you so much for taking the time to post this.

[k.loveh 0]

Hello All

I had a great opportunity Saturday evening to have dinner with and spend several hours with a director at the VSC. He is currently in charge of the department that handles I-751s among other things. His wife is an adjusicator that handles YOUR petition (if it went through VSC). His wife is Russian, arrived on a K-1 and is now a citizen. This man has worked for USCIS for many years and was at several local offices before being assigned to the VSC. His wife is a friend of Alla's and we were all at a dinner party for several American/Russian/Ukrainian couples Saturday. We had a long chat, he was very open and helpful. We talked about a lot of the things we see here on VJ and I was trying to remember all the "usual questions" I read about and pin him down for some answers. I also have asked him if he will give an "official interview" for VJ. He said he will check out the site and I will call him later this week. So, anyway I will try to cover what we discussed, he was quite frank and direct in his answers, not rude, not at all, but he knows his stuff and answers without hesitation. It turned into an impromtu and fun "interview" with me trying to remember all the hot button issues I see on VJ

I told him that the number ONE and number TWO "complaints" I see are Why is the VSC taking so long and why can't we get through to you guys?

Why is VSC taking so long, what happened? I was approved in 58 days!: We had problem with labor last year and lost many workers, we hired more last November and it took some time to get them trained. Some of the petitions were sent to California and we also assign people to different tyopes of visas. They will concentrate on one tyoe, get behind on another and then shift many people back to the other type. Lately we have shifted many, almost all, adjudicators to I-129fs, so that should make people happy. They will do that until they get caught up. Summer is a busy time for I-129fs, usually about June we get slammed with them. The winter or early spring is the slowest time for I-129fs, but then it depends what they have everyone working on also.

OK, why can't we get through to you? The 1-800 line is useless. Those are contract employees and they are trained to select answers from a menu of 14 answers. They pick which one is best for your question. There are thousands of visas being processed at any time and everyone is special and everyone has special circumstances and if we had direct lines we weould do nothing but field requests by petitioners to give them priority, we just can't do it. How would you feel if your petition got bumped because some woman called and cried on the phone and then her petition got moved up ahead of yours. We simply have to operate in a way that avoids any chance of fraud, corruption or unfairness.

So what about some people get approved ahead of others? Sme petitions have problems or delays, we do not hold back others for this. If an adjudicator has problems, he puts that one aside or sends an RFE and goes on to the next. The next one may be clean and gets approved right away, in just a few minutes, they adjudicate 15-20 petitions a day per person, and the ones with problems may wait weeks for the petitioner to respond to the RFE, or maybe it is a name check they are waiting for. Petitions are assigned as they arrive, when we are working on those petitions, but they do not go out the door in the same order they came in.

G-325a, Signed or Unsigned? Unsigned.

WHAT? Ok I have seen the memo but lots of VJ members got RFEs for unsigned G-325s, what gives? They do not have to be signed,they can be signed at the consualte interview. Some adjusicators haven't read all the memos, we get hundreds of the things, and maybe they make a mistake. If you want to be sure there is no mistake, sign it. Or send a letter expalining why it is not signed and request it be signed at the interview. Do you have that memo?

It is on the VJ website somewhere You can print a copy of that and send it with the I-129f and G-325a.

Fiancee intent letter? Signed or unsigned? Signed.

What about a faxed or emailed signature? When I was adjudicating, if I could see a signature, I accepted it, but many adjusicators will not. Signed is better.

Lawyer or no lawyer? For what?

Enough said. Now a hot issue, a very controversial one. There seems to be a trend in some countries of foreign men marrying American women and the women are considerably older. There is always a question if this is a problem. It never seems to be a problem for older men/younger women (My wife is 13 years younger, his wife is also considerable younger than him) Is it a problem? For us, USCIS, no. "Free to marry".

What about the consulates or for AOS or I-751? Consulates do what they do, it is not USCIS, some of them are bastards. Kiev is easy, they approve everyone (laughs), they used to be bastards but they got easier since they first started doing those in 2005, before then you would have had to go to Warsaw, you know. For AOS if they can prove they are legitimate we do not care about age but anything that is "not normal" for the culture will draw suspicion. They probably will not get a no questions asked interview (I had told him our AOS was "no questions asked")

What about birth certificates, some people have trouble getting them? This is a problem for us also. Some people, especially our younger staff, think all the world is like the USA. I remember one, when I was in the Kansas City office, the beneficiary was from Viet Nam, she was born in 1954 there was no birth certificate. The CO asked me about this and I looked at the file. I said "Do you know what was going on in Viet Nam in 1954?" She looked at me, straight faced and said "What, their computers were down?" If a birth certificate cannot be obtained they can usually get something from a church, a village official, something, and send that with a letter of explanation. Or just their passport and a letter explaining the situation (this applies to AOS more than I-129f as beneficiary birth certificate is not required for the petition, but I wanted to ask anyway, it seems a common question here)

What about extra documents? Proof of relationship? We don't need it, only that they have met for the fiancee visa.

What about the consulates? Consulates do what they do, as I said, some are bastards. They get whatever we get when it is sent on. I can't tell you what NVC and consulates do, I know some are terrible and some are really easy, but I do not know all the details of each. Kiev is easy, western Europe is easy, Nigeria is horrible, but you would not believe the scams from Nigeria, I get jaded. I am surprised a lot of them get visas and then we have to deal with them.

I have to ask for a collegue, Ecuador? Bastards.

What about changes? Are there any in the works? Is Obama ouching you guys to work faster? I am not sure Obama knows we exist. There have been no changes and no pressure other than the usual workload and shifting things around. I do not expect any immigration changes in the next year or two, at kleat not in rules or amnesty or anything like that. I do expect FEE INCREASES within the next year...across the board.

How much more? I cannot say, that is not my area, I just hear talk.

He added, "We try not to deny petitions, people really get angry and make lots of trouble. Denials usually come at the consulate or maybe AOS or sometimes even with the I-751. If we deny someone we need good reason, if they meet the criteria, we will approve it, they just have to give us what we need to approve them."

So how can I speed up my petition? You can't really. If it gets to be too long and if you can get a congressman or senator to call, that will get some action, but half the time those guys dont'' call or they do and the petition has only been there 3 months. Sometimes one falls through the cracks, gets overlooked, we are human. A congressman can get through and get them to dig it out if it has been too long, but I wouldn't call that "speeding it up". That's a fix for whn it is too slow.

we talked for some time more, about 5 hours altogether, briefly interrupted by Alla every now and again who had her own questions about the I-751 procedure which I posted in that forum, about VJ and other topics (his Navy days) He said he will check the site and gave me his home number. He said "call anytime but not 3 in the morning" I asked about an interview or answering prepared questions, he said possibly, he will check the site. He said many internet sites are advertisement for immigration attorneys or instructing people on how to pull scams, I assured him he would be very pleased with VJ and he thinks it is great that there is a good site for information and advice. (he never heard of VJ before this)

I can also say, that speaking to him, I heard so many of the same buzzwords or advice that I have seen right here, this is really a great site with some great folks giving some really great info.

You're awesome Gary! I can't wait till the the formal interview! Thank you for this, and God Bless You and Alla!

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

You're awesome Gary! I can't wait till the the formal interview! Thank you for this, and God Bless You and Alla!

I plan to call him Saturday and see how he wants to proceed. At this point I have so many good questions for him (Why didn't I think of all of these? ) Anyway it looks as though the best thing will be to prepare a list of the questions and email them to him. None of them seem out of line or something he couldn't answer. I hope. In fact, it could be helpful to USCIS to clarify some of these things.

[TBoneTX 45,663]

it could be helpful to USCIS to clarify some of these things.

Si, man; just think of how much aggregate "hands on the files" time could be saved by the troops on the processing floor if some of the uncertainties are cleared up.

General note to future posters: There is no need to requote the entire original post when you respond, please.

[thongd4me 69]

it could be helpful to USCIS to clarify some of these things.

Si, man; just think of how much aggregate "hands on the files" time could be saved by the troops on the processing floor if some of the uncertainties are cleared up.

General note to future posters: There is no need to requote the entire original post when you respond, please.

Amen.

If you go to the top right corner of post #1 in this thread you will see the word OPTIONS.

Under that you have Display Modes and Outline is under that. Double-click Outline.

The Outline shows the skeleton of how the posts in the thread are linked.

You will see the first post at the top and can open any post below it by double-clicking,

instead of having to laboriously scroll down through page after page of space-consuming graphics.

Many have (myself included) complimented Gary on a "great post" but what he has done is to

present a thread of posts which will hopefully bring important VJ questions before the top guy

at the Vermont Service Center, free of fraud/special interests yet profitable for both sides.

[illnevergetthis 5]

What a great post...thank you for sharing!

[Ted and Marina 0]

They should only hire K-1'ers to work there...

Since we know what it means , and that the names on papers are real people.

We would cut process time in half, and get things to move.

Edited October 4, 2009 by Ted and Marina

[Blueguitar 0]

Very interesting read! Our petition just l left the VSC last Thursday!

R&R