Using Dr. Arnold for medical - legal or not?

[Krikit 1,164]

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Edited November 19, 2009 by Krikit

[Kathryn41 3,205]

I have merged the AOS medical information transferred from Site Updates and the thread started here in AOS into one post, plus I've returned the posts specifically dealing with Updating the Guides to the Site Updates Forum. I've also edited the topic title.

[jbmail 0]

I have merged the AOS medical information transferred from Site Updates and the thread started here in AOS into one post, plus I've returned the posts specifically dealing with Updating the Guides to the Site Updates Forum. I've also edited the topic title.

Thank you very much for your timely help

[niniel71 0]

"found the required flu shot when it finally became available here"

Since when is a Flu shot a AOS requirement?

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I have merged the AOS medical information transferred from Site Updates and the thread started here in AOS into one post, plus I've returned the posts specifically dealing with Updating the Guides to the Site Updates Forum. I've also edited the topic title.

Thank you.

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

JB

Read what the comments of a Director at the VSC were regarding CSs at the top of the K-1 forum. His wife is also from Russia and arrived without all her vaccinations. He went to the local county health dept., got the vaccinations and sent the records to a CS, just like you. I have never seen and he never mentioned in any of our discussions (and this was a topic we discussed at length) about having to see a CS in person to sign the I-693

[JERIII 8]

JB

Read what the comments of a Director at the VSC were regarding CSs at the top of the K-1 forum. His wife is also from Russia and arrived without all her vaccinations. He went to the local county health dept., got the vaccinations and sent the records to a CS, just like you. I have never seen and he never mentioned in any of our discussions (and this was a topic we discussed at length) about having to see a CS in person to sign the I-693

The signature is also the only issue I can think of. The instructions on the I-693 do say this:

You must sign the form in the presence of the examining physician.

That might be the source of the problem, IF that bit of instruction is actually derived from law code or regulation, but I would be a little surprised if it is.

[jbmail 0]

"found the required flu shot when it finally became available here"

Since when is a Flu shot a AOS requirement?

According to Dr Arnold and two other local CS, the flu shot is now a REQUIRED vaccination for AOS final health paperwork....J

[Bobby+Umit 161]

JB

Read what the comments of a Director at the VSC were regarding CSs at the top of the K-1 forum. His wife is also from Russia and arrived without all her vaccinations. He went to the local county health dept., got the vaccinations and sent the records to a CS, just like you. I have never seen and he never mentioned in any of our discussions (and this was a topic we discussed at length) about having to see a CS in person to sign the I-693

The signature is also the only issue I can think of. The instructions on the I-693 do say this:

You must sign the form in the presence of the examining physician.

That might be the source of the problem, IF that bit of instruction is actually derived from law code or regulation, but I would be a little surprised if it is.

I was about to suggest this as being the reason.

found this on USCIS:

USCIS may revoke a physician’s authority to act as a civil surgeon if the physician regularly fails to follow CDC's Technical Instructions, or has fraudulently completed a Form I-693, or has had his or her license suspended, revoked or terminated.

Signing it without the presence of the examining physician "could" be considered fraud.

[jbmail 0]

JB

Read what the comments of a Director at the VSC were regarding CSs at the top of the K-1 forum. His wife is also from Russia and arrived without all her vaccinations. He went to the local county health dept., got the vaccinations and sent the records to a CS, just like you. I have never seen and he never mentioned in any of our discussions (and this was a topic we discussed at length) about having to see a CS in person to sign the I-693

Thanks for your reply. I wish one of our RESIDENT IMM attorney who pay for ad space here would comment on this!!!

I am waiting for my RFE as I requested yesterday and wanted something in writing. Although I DID record our conversations, I still think all paperwork should be in writing and not by telephone from USCIS. Has anyone ever heard of a local office r calling you? Christ, you can't even reach a human for 9 months when you're going thru the process...J

[jbmail 0]

JB

Read what the comments of a Director at the VSC were regarding CSs at the top of the K-1 forum. His wife is also from Russia and arrived without all her vaccinations. He went to the local county health dept., got the vaccinations and sent the records to a CS, just like you. I have never seen and he never mentioned in any of our discussions (and this was a topic we discussed at length) about having to see a CS in person to sign the I-693

The signature is also the only issue I can think of. The instructions on the I-693 do say this:

You must sign the form in the presence of the examining physician.

That might be the source of the problem, IF that bit of instruction is actually derived from law code or regulation, but I would be a little surprised if it is.

I was about to suggest this as being the reason.

found this on USCIS:

USCIS may revoke a physician’s authority to act as a civil surgeon if the physician regularly fails to follow CDC's Technical Instructions, or has fraudulently completed a Form I-693, or has had his or her license suspended, revoked or terminated.

Signing it without the presence of the examining physician "could" be considered fraud.

So, if this was actually true and demanded, then what you are saying is that Dr. Arnold has committed fraud over hundreds of times in the past two years, and that anyone who has used him would have to be recalled and done again from every field office? I don't see this happening very soon. You can't even get a change of address posted for 6 months

[jbmail 0]

JB

Read what the comments of a Director at the VSC were regarding CSs at the top of the K-1 forum. His wife is also from Russia and arrived without all her vaccinations. He went to the local county health dept., got the vaccinations and sent the records to a CS, just like you. I have never seen and he never mentioned in any of our discussions (and this was a topic we discussed at length) about having to see a CS in person to sign the I-693

The signature is also the only issue I can think of. The instructions on the I-693 do say this:

You must sign the form in the presence of the examining physician.

That might be the source of the problem, IF that bit of instruction is actually derived from law code or regulation, but I would be a little surprised if it is.

I was about to suggest this as being the reason.

found this on USCIS:

USCIS may revoke a physician’s authority to act as a civil surgeon if the physician regularly fails to follow CDC's Technical Instructions, or has fraudulently completed a Form I-693, or has had his or her license suspended, revoked or terminated.

Signing it without the presence of the examining physician "could" be considered fraud.

Bobby,

Could you send me by PM or quote where you are seeing this. This line about signing in presence of a CS, I also found, but is quoted in the MEDICAL EXAM portion and not the Vaccinations section

Please correct me if I am wrong as I want this forum topic to be exact and finalized. I dount any attorneys will comment on it , as they don't want to bring attention to their firms by commenting, but the gentlemen I spoke to says that no where in the code of conduct, does it say that a CS has to see you sign these papers when updating vaccinations. it DOES say that He MUST verify by passport or photio, your identity BEFORE performing the MEDICAL part of I-693..Thanks...J

[jbmail 0]

JB

Read what the comments of a Director at the VSC were regarding CSs at the top of the K-1 forum. His wife is also from Russia and arrived without all her vaccinations. He went to the local county health dept., got the vaccinations and sent the records to a CS, just like you. I have never seen and he never mentioned in any of our discussions (and this was a topic we discussed at length) about having to see a CS in person to sign the I-693

The signature is also the only issue I can think of. The instructions on the I-693 do say this:

You must sign the form in the presence of the examining physician.

That might be the source of the problem, IF that bit of instruction is actually derived from law code or regulation, but I would be a little surprised if it is.

Thanks for joining in. I think, and I may be wrong, that where you read this signature line, was for the MEDICAL part of the I-693. i will say that we all have different copies of USCIS wrirings on our computers and saved files, but two of us scoured all the up to date USCIS entries and we could NOT find where you saw this, except in the CS Medical paragraph...again, PLEASE correct us if we are wrong...J

[samy1979 0]

sorry to interrupt here , but did you go to an interview and told this ? or they called you without an interview to tell you this because everybody else has been using Dr arnold without a problem . except for another guy in portland that was told the same in portland .

[Gary and Alla 3,694]

I reviewed the instructions again for the I-693 and there is absolutely NO requirement for a CS to see in person the applicant for adjustment from a K visa IF they have had a medical exam within one year of filing AOS, which of course all fiancees do. The IO at the Portland office is wrong.

Not only should you stick this up his ... you should also contact the Director of that office and notify them that this officer is not only screwing with US citizens and their wives, he is slandering Dr. Arnold. If Dr. Arnold is under any investigation, it isn't for this. I hope you also notify Dr. Arnold, who has performed a good and valuable service to many K visa applicants and VJ members and let him in on this.

These CSs are an unseen, little considered group of parasites preying on immigrants that do not know better. I have spoken with Senator Sanders who has promised to look into this, but I think I need to speak with him again. He would like to eliminate the CS altogether and just allow people to see any licensed physician for this. If they can write prescripts for Oxycontin, they ought to be able to sign off on a measles vaccine...jeezum crow!