RASMUSSEN POLL: Support for Health Care Plan Falls to New Low; 41% Favor 56% Oppose...

[The_Dude 1,142]

Almost everyone thinks we need to reform health care. It's just that a strong plurality think that Obama is trying to do it wrong.

So you think it is more about process than substance? I agree. Obama should not have gone to Congress empty handed, and expected them to do anything worthwhile. He should have listened to his "gut", and rammed Single-Payer Healthcare through when he still had enough "polical capital" to do it. Right now, that tank in on "E" and he will be lucky if he still has a freindly Congress next year, let alone after the next election in 2010.

Most dems are losing in the polls right now (for 2010)

And polls that are this far outside of the election cycle matter how? Wait til the campaigns begin to start quoting polls.

The campaigns did begin. Where have you been?

They haven't started in full force yet. Get a clue, thats 6 months down the line before any warchest spending begins in earnest. Yes, technically you could say that they have begun because a few candidates have spent money on polling and canvasing, but that is meaningless.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

I know that it hurts that you know whats coming. A resounding defeat for dems in 2010 (a couple this year too)... Denial is common.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Almost everyone thinks we need to reform health care. It's just that a strong plurality think that Obama is trying to do it wrong.

So you think it is more about process than substance? I agree. Obama should not have gone to Congress empty handed, and expected them to do anything worthwhile. He should have listened to his "gut", and rammed Single-Payer Healthcare through when he still had enough "polical capital" to do it. Right now, that tank in on "E" and he will be lucky if he still has a freindly Congress next year, let alone after the next election in 2010.

I disagree. The Democrats have the votes to pass a bill. Obama was showing bipartisanship in being open to any viable solutions. The Republicans have come up empty...not Obama. Now it's time to fulfill his campaign pledge of reforming health care, in spite of the Republicans.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

RASMUSSEN POLL: Support for Health Care Plan Falls to New Low; 41% Favor 56% Oppose...

Rasmussen, the poll of choice for the Right wing... Rasmussen polls are nothing if not consistent in their support of the right wing agenda.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Almost everyone thinks we need to reform health care. It's just that a strong plurality think that Obama is trying to do it wrong.

So you think it is more about process than substance? I agree. Obama should not have gone to Congress empty handed, and expected them to do anything worthwhile. He should have listened to his "gut", and rammed Single-Payer Healthcare through when he still had enough "polical capital" to do it. Right now, that tank in on "E" and he will be lucky if he still has a freindly Congress next year, let alone after the next election in 2010.

I disagree. The Democrats have the votes to pass a bill. Obama was showing bipartisanship in being open to any viable solutions. The Republicans have come up empty...not Obama. Now it's time to fulfill his campaign pledge of reforming health care, in spite of the Republicans.

H.R.3400

Empowering Patients First Act (Introduced in House)

Beginning

July 30, 2009

SECTION 1. SHORT TITLE; TABLE OF CONTENTS.Sec. 1. Short title; table of contents.TITLE I--TAX INCENTIVES FOR MAINTAINING HEALTH INSURANCE COVERAGESEC. 101. REFUNDABLE TAX CREDIT FOR HEALTH INSURANCE COSTS OF LOW-INCOME INDIVIDUALS.`SEC. 36B. HEALTH INSURANCE COSTS OF LOW-INCOME INDIVIDUALS.SEC. 102. ADVANCE PAYMENT OF CREDIT AS PREMIUM PAYMENT FOR QUALIFIED HEALTH INSURANCE.`SEC. 7529. ADVANCE PAYMENT OF CREDIT AS PREMIUM PAYMENT FOR QUALIFIED HEALTH INSURANCE.`SEC. 6050X. RETURNS RELATING TO CREDIT FOR HEALTH INSURANCE COSTS OF LOW-INCOME INDIVIDUALS.SEC. 103. ELECTION OF TAX CREDIT INSTEAD OF ALTERNATIVE GOVERNMENT OR GROUP PLAN BENEFITS.SEC. 104. DEDUCTION FOR QUALIFIED HEALTH INSURANCE COSTS OF INDIVIDUALS.`SEC. 224. COSTS OF QUALIFIED HEALTH INSURANCE.SEC. 105. LIMITATION ON ABORTION FUNDING.SEC. 106. NON-DISCRIMINATION ON ABORTION AND RESPECT FOR RIGHTS OF CONSCIENCE.SEC. 107. EQUAL EMPLOYER CONTRIBUTION RULE TO PROMOTE CHOICE.SEC. 108. LIMITATIONS ON STATE RESTRICTIONS ON EMPLOYER AUTO-ENROLLMENT.SEC. 109. CREDIT FOR SMALL EMPLOYERS ADOPTING AUTO-ENROLLMENT AND DEFINED CONTRIBUTION OPTIONS.`SEC. 45R. AUTO-ENROLLMENT AND DEFINED CONTRIBUTION OPTION FOR HEALTH BENEFITS PLANS OF SMALL EMPLOYERS.SEC. 110. REQUIRE EMPLOYERS TO DISCLOSE AMOUNTS PAID FOR EMPLOYER-PROVIDED HEALTH PLAN COVERAGE.SEC. 111. HSA MODIFICATIONS AND CLARIFICATIONS.TITLE II--HEALTH INSURANCE POOLING MECHANISMS FOR INDIVIDUALSSubtitle A--Safety Net for Individuals With Pre-Existing ConditionsSEC. 201. REQUIRING OPERATION OF HIGH-RISK POOL OR OTHER MECHANISM AS CONDITION FOR AVAILABILITY OF TAX CREDIT.Subtitle B--Federal Block Grants for State Insurance ExpendituresSEC. 211. FEDERAL BLOCK GRANTS FOR STATE INSURANCE EXPENDITURES.Subtitle C--Health Care Access and AvailabilitySEC. 221. EXPANSION OF ACCESS AND CHOICE THROUGH INDIVIDUAL MEMBERSHIP ASSOCIATIONS (IMAS).`TITLE XXXI--INDIVIDUAL MEMBERSHIP ASSOCIATIONS`SEC. 3101. DEFINITION OF INDIVIDUAL MEMBERSHIP ASSOCIATION (IMA).`SEC. 3102. APPLICATION OF CERTAIN LAWS AND REQUIREMENTS.`SEC. 3103. ADMINISTRATION.`SEC. 3104. DEFINITIONS.Subtitle D--Small Business Health FairnessSEC. 231. SHORT TITLE.SEC. 232. RULES GOVERNING ASSOCIATION HEALTH PLANS.`SEC. 801. ASSOCIATION HEALTH PLANS.`SEC. 802. CERTIFICATION OF ASSOCIATION HEALTH PLANS.`SEC. 803. REQUIREMENTS RELATING TO SPONSORS AND BOARDS OF TRUSTEES.`SEC. 804. PARTICIPATION AND COVERAGE REQUIREMENTS.`SEC. 805. OTHER REQUIREMENTS RELATING TO PLAN DOCUMENTS, CONTRIBUTION RATES, AND BENEFIT OPTIONS.`SEC. 807. REQUIREMENTS FOR APPLICATION AND RELATED REQUIREMENTS.`SEC. 808. NOTICE REQUIREMENTS FOR VOLUNTARY TERMINATION.`SEC. 809. CORRECTIVE ACTIONS AND MANDATORY TERMINATION.`SEC. 811. STATE ASSESSMENT AUTHORITY.`SEC. 812. DEFINITIONS AND RULES OF CONSTRUCTION.`Part 8--Rules Governing Association Health PlansSEC. 233. CLARIFICATION OF TREATMENT OF SINGLE EMPLOYER ARRANGEMENTS.SEC. 234. ENFORCEMENT PROVISIONS RELATING TO ASSOCIATION HEALTH PLANS.SEC. 235. COOPERATION BETWEEN FEDERAL AND STATE AUTHORITIES.SEC. 236. EFFECTIVE DATE AND TRANSITIONAL AND OTHER RULES.TITLE III--INTERSTATE MARKET FOR HEALTH INSURANCESEC. 301. COOPERATIVE GOVERNING OF INDIVIDUAL HEALTH INSURANCE COVERAGE.`PART D--COOPERATIVE GOVERNING OF INDIVIDUAL HEALTH INSURANCE COVERAGE`SEC. 2795. DEFINITIONS.`SEC. 2796. APPLICATION OF LAW.`SEC. 2797. PRIMARY STATE MUST MEET FEDERAL FLOOR BEFORE ISSUER MAY SELL INTO SECONDARY STATES.`SEC. 2798. LIMITATION ON INDIVIDUAL PURCHASE IN SECONDARY STATE.`SEC. 2799. INDEPENDENT EXTERNAL APPEALS PROCEDURES.`SEC. 2800. ENFORCEMENT.TITLE IV--SAFETY NET REFORMSSEC. 401. REQUIRING OUTREACH AND COVERAGE BEFORE EXPANSION OF ELIGIBILITY.SEC. 402. EASING ADMINISTRATIVE BARRIERS TO STATE COOPERATION WITH EMPLOYER-SPONSORED INSURANCE COVERAGE.SEC. 403. IMPROVING BENEFICIARY CHOICE IN SCHIP.SEC. 404. LIABILITY PROTECTIONS FOR HEALTH CENTER VOLUNTEER PRACTITIONERS.SEC. 405. LIABILITY PROTECTIONS FOR HEALTH CENTER PRACTITIONERS PROVIDING SERVICES IN EMERGENCY AREAS.TITLE V--MEDICAL LIABILITY AND UNCOMPENSATED CARE REFORMSSEC. 501. SHORT TITLE.SEC. 502. FINDINGS AND PURPOSE.SEC. 503. ENCOURAGING SPEEDY RESOLUTION OF CLAIMS.SEC. 504. COMPENSATING PATIENT INJURY.SEC. 505. MAXIMIZING PATIENT RECOVERY.SEC. 506. ADDITIONAL HEALTH BENEFITS.SEC. 507. PUNITIVE DAMAGES.SEC. 508. AUTHORIZATION OF PAYMENT OF FUTURE DAMAGES TO CLAIMANTS IN HEALTH CARE LAWSUITS.SEC. 509. DEFINITIONS.SEC. 510. EFFECT ON OTHER LAWS.SEC. 511. STATE FLEXIBILITY AND PROTECTION OF STATES' RIGHTS.SEC. 512. APPLICABILITY; EFFECTIVE DATE.SEC. 513. SENSE OF CONGRESS.SEC. 514. STATE GRANTS TO CREATE ADMINISTRATIVE HEALTH CARE TRIBUNALS.`SEC. 399T. STATE GRANTS TO CREATE ADMINISTRATIVE HEALTH CARE TRIBUNALS.SEC. 515. AFFIRMATIVE DEFENSE BASED ON COMPLIANCE WITH BEST PRACTICE GUIDELINES.TITLE VI--WELLNESS AND PREVENTIONSEC. 601. PROVIDING FINANCIAL INCENTIVES FOR TREATMENT COMPLIANCE.TITLE VII--TRANSPARENCY AND INSURANCE REFORM MEASURESSEC. 701. RECEIPT AND RESPONSE TO REQUESTS FOR CLAIM INFORMATION.`SEC. 2714. RECEIPT AND RESPONSE TO REQUESTS FOR CLAIM INFORMATION.TITLE VIII--QUALITYSEC. 802. ESTABLISHMENT OF PERFORMANCE-BASED QUALITY MEASURES.TITLE IX--STATE TRANSPARENCY PLAN PORTALSEC. 901. PROVIDING INFORMATION ON HEALTH COVERAGE OPTIONS AND HEALTH CARE PROVIDERS.TITLE X--PHYSICIAN PAYMENT REFORMSEC. 1001. SUSTAINABLE GROWTH RATE REFORM.TITLE XI--INCENTIVES TO REDUCE PHYSICIAN SHORTAGESSubtitle A--Federally Supported Student Loan Funds for Medical StudentsSEC. 1101. FEDERALLY SUPPORTED STUDENT LOAN FUNDS FOR MEDICAL STUDENTS.`Subpart III--Federally Supported Student Loan Funds for Certain Medical Students`SEC. 730. SCHOOL LOAN FUNDS FOR CERTAIN MEDICAL STUDENTS.Subtitle B--Loan Forgiveness for Primary Care ProvidersSEC. 1111. LOAN FORGIVENESS FOR PRIMARY CARE PROVIDERS.TITLE XII--OFFSETSSubtitle A--Enforcing Discretionary Spending LimitsSEC. 1201. ENFORCING DISCRETIONARY SPENDING LIMITS.Subtitle B--Repeal of Unused Stimulus FundsSEC. 1211. RESCISSION AND REPEAL IN ARRA.Subtitle C--Savings From Health Care EfficienciesSEC. 1221. MEDICARE DSH REPORT AND PAYMENT ADJUSTMENTS IN RESPONSE TO COVERAGE EXPANSION.SEC. 1222. REDUCTION IN MEDICAID DSH.Subtitle D--Fraud, Waste, and AbuseSEC. 1231. PROVIDE ADEQUATE FUNDING TO HHS OIG AND HCFAC.SEC. 1232. IMPROVED ENFORCEMENT OF THE MEDICARE SECONDARY PAYOR PROVISIONS.SEC. 1233. STRENGTHEN MEDICARE PROVIDER ENROLLMENT STANDARDS AND SAFEGUARDS.SEC. 1234. TRACKING BANNED PROVIDERS ACROSS STATE LINES.SEC. 1235. REINSTATE THE MEDICARE TRIGGER.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:H.R.3400:

[one...two...tree 2,762]

A more accurate and telling poll (Quinnipiac):

http://www.wksu.org/news/story/24072

[The_Dude 1,142]

I know that it hurts that you know whats coming. A resounding defeat for dems in 2010 (a couple this year too)... Denial is common.

Time for you to take your daily dosage of haldol.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

A more accurate and telling poll (Quinnipiac):

http://www.wksu.org/news/story/24072

LOL - 2010 will be telling.

[SMR 368]

Almost everyone thinks we need to reform health care. It's just that a strong plurality think that Obama is trying to do it wrong.

So you think it is more about process than substance? I agree. Obama should not have gone to Congress empty handed, and expected them to do anything worthwhile. He should have listened to his "gut", and rammed Single-Payer Healthcare through when he still had enough "polical capital" to do it. Right now, that tank in on "E" and he will be lucky if he still has a freindly Congress next year, let alone after the next election in 2010.

I disagree. The Democrats have the votes to pass a bill. Obama was showing bipartisanship in being open to any viable solutions. The Republicans have come up empty...not Obama. Now it's time to fulfill his campaign pledge of reforming health care, in spite of the Republicans.

Well, yes, you are right, there are enough Democrats to pass anything they darn well want. But why hasn't anything passed yet? Claims that Obama is trying to drum up bipartisan support are simply drinking the Koolaid. The reality is that there is no plan that has broad enough Democratic support. Put another way, there are enough Democratic congressman who are actually reading the polls and listening to their constituents that realize that people don't want government health care.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Claims that Obama is trying to drum up bipartisan support are simply drinking the Koolaid.

Obama approached this whole health care reform with an openness to all viable solutions...specifically calling for Republicans in Congress to help forge a meaningful health care reform bill. With the exception of just a few Republicans, their leaders had said on many occasions that they didn't want to have anything to do with any bill the President or the Democrats in Congress put forward - no compromises whatsoever. This is why Health Care Reform has been taking so long. The Republicans huffed and puffed and demanded that they be included...Obama gave them all the opportunities in the world (see even the lack of Republicans on board with the Gang of 6).

So let's not try to rewrite what has transpired on this. Yes, there are some Democrats that think Obama made a mistake by reaching out across the aisle. I think he did the right thing....because now we can put to rest any hope that Republicans want to work with the President. They're being political hacks...they know that if Obama succeeds in getting a bill passed, it will hurt their chances of regaining control of Congress. Isn't it great to know the Republicans number one agenda is taking back control rather than trying to help fix all the problems they created for this country? And you can see that sentiment echoed here ....they're knashing their teeth as they look ahead for 2010.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Claims that Obama is trying to drum up bipartisan support are simply drinking the Koolaid.

Obama approached this whole health care reform with an openness to all viable solutions...specifically calling for Republicans in Congress to help forge a meaningful health care reform bill. With the exception of just a few Republicans, their leaders had said on many occasions that they didn't want to have anything to do with any bill the President or the Democrats in Congress put forward - no compromises whatsoever. This is why Health Care Reform has been taking so long. The Republicans huffed and puffed and demanded that they be included...Obama gave them all the opportunities in the world (see even the lack of Republicans on board with the Gang of 6).

So let's not try to rewrite what has transpired on this. Yes, there are some Democrats that think Obama made a mistake by reaching out across the aisle. I think he did the right thing....because now we can put to rest any hope that Republicans want to work with the President. They're being political hacks...they know that if Obama succeeds in getting a bill passed, it will hurt their chances of regaining control of Congress. Isn't it great to know the Republicans number one agenda is taking back control rather than trying to help fix all the problems they created for this country? And you can see that sentiment echoed here ....they're knashing their teeth as they look ahead for 2010.

Still believing the lie that ThinkProgress.com has been spewing?

Baucus’s Senate panel whacks away at healthcare amendments

Finance Committee cuts 61 amendments, leaving just 503 to go. Among the major issues remaining: a public option.

Of the 61 amendments taken up this week, the panel accepted only four proposed by Republicans. Another 17 GOP amendments were defeated on near party-line votes, and 11 – including four signature GOP proposals to cap jury awards in medical malpractice cases – were dismissed on procedural grounds.

By contrast, Democrats have won 20 of their amendments and lost one, but that one loss was huge.

In a rare move, the chairman and two other Democrats sided with Republicans to defeat an amendment by Sen. Bill Nelson (D) of Florida that would have required drug companies to provide rebates to seniors to close a controversial coverage gap in the 2003 Medicare Prescription Drug bill, dubbed the “donut hole.” Those rebates would save taxpayers $86 billion over 10 years, Nelson had said.

http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/200...are-amendments/

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Baucus's Senate panel whacks away at healthcare amendments

Finance Committee cuts 61 amendments, leaving just 503 to go. Among the major issues remaining: a public option.

Of the 61 amendments taken up this week, the panel accepted only four proposed by Republicans. Another 17 GOP amendments were defeated on near party-line votes, and 11 – including four signature GOP proposals to cap jury awards in medical malpractice cases – were dismissed on procedural grounds.

By contrast, Democrats have won 20 of their amendments and lost one, but that one loss was huge.

In a rare move, the chairman and two other Democrats sided with Republicans to defeat an amendment by Sen. Bill Nelson (D) of Florida that would have required drug companies to provide rebates to seniors to close a controversial coverage gap in the 2003 Medicare Prescription Drug bill, dubbed the "donut hole." Those rebates would save taxpayers $86 billion over 10 years, Nelson had said.

http://features.csmonitor.com/politics/200...are-amendments/

You conveniently left out these parts of that article...

"At first glance, it’s a fiercely partisan process. With a 13 to 10 edge on the panel, Democrats are rolling over most Republican amendments."

...

"By contrast, Democrats have won 20 of their amendments and lost one, but that one loss was huge.

In a rare move, the chairman and two other Democrats sided with Republicans to defeat an amendment by Sen. Bill Nelson (D) of Florida that would have required drug companies to provide rebates to seniors to close a controversial coverage gap in the 2003 Medicare Prescription Drug bill, dubbed the “donut hole.” Those rebates would save taxpayers $86 billion over 10 years, Nelson had said.

But the Nelson amendment would also have unraveled a deal between President Obama and the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) that commits drug companies to $80 billion in cost cuts — but no more. The amendment failed by a vote of 10-13 on Thursday, with Sens. Baucus, Thomas Carper of Delaware and Robert Menendez of New Jersey breaking ranks to vote with Republicans."

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Is there a point to your post? How does that show the Republicans are not participating in the process?

Edited September 28, 2009 by Lone Ranger

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Is there a point to your post? How does that show the Republicans are not participating in the process?

You're angry at Obama for working with the Republicans.

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

Is there a point to your post? How does that show the Republicans are not participating in the process?

You're angry at Obama for working with the Republicans.

I am?