Don't buy into Obamacare?

[dalegg 143]

Not going to happen Congress does not have the balls or will to impose it, and if they do it will be found un-Constitutional and if you think there are teabaggers and radical white racist at town hall meetings now, wait until Ovomit tries to force this on people, you will have a march on DC and an outright revolt by all people!

Definitely. That's why I love this proposal. In the end I'm sure they'll drop this idea and just tax the wealthy. Some of these guys actually want to be reelected.

[Danno 1,228]

Just imagine, you graduate high school or College and want to hang at the beach or hike the Aplach. trail for 6 months, who could afford to do that if you must keep up with paying the Gov it's premium every month?

Not only will you pay them every month or suffer their wrath if you don't but who knows what it will be costing in 5 or 10 years after their hands have been all over it.

Tough! Right now if one of those students falls off the cliff while he's hiking he's automatically treated at the nearest emergency room. He might even have to be helicoptered out of there, and regardless of whether or not he has health insurance, he will get fixed up. If he's as cheap as most students are, he'll never pay the bill, but that doesn't mean the bill doesn't get paid! You and I pay it-through higher insurance premiums.

If they don't like it then maybe next time they can think a little bit harder about who they voted for.

My friend that is a valid point!

but you don't fix one stupid law with then thousand more.

Why not require the cost of this guys emergency care to be deducted from any future income tax refund? I believe they do this for Child support already.

There could also be an opportunity to do civic work to repay this debt.

It's crazy to make everyone surrender liberty for cases like this.

[trailmix 77]

My friend that is a valid point!

but you don't fix one stupid law with then thousand more.

Why not require the cost of this guys emergency care to be deducted from any future income tax refund? I believe they do this for Child support already.

There could also be an opportunity to do civic work to repay this debt.

It's crazy to make everyone surrender liberty for cases like this.

Then you should have universal health care and this wouldn't be an issue.

What you are going to end up with is worse than what universal health care is perceived to be.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

The Obama supporters are strangely silent on this subject. (actually its not strange)

I think everyone is tired of responding to the bullcrap.

Pretty much.

But for sh!ts and giggles - who here complains about mandatory car insurance? Anyone? Danno, does it bother you that you could face legal trouble if you are caught without car insurance?

[trailmix 77]

What I do not understand is why so many Americans are afraid of Universal Health Care, well I do - you were not brought up with it, but I don't understand how you cannot see the logic.

What you have now is a bunch of corporations dictating your HC - for profit (and unfortunately some of this will continue for some time due to the watered down HC plan - supported by you). You have employers who have you over a barrel because of your health care. You have millions of uninsured who are really insured, through the exorbitant premiums you pay.

While UHC may not be perfect, it seems to me that compared to what you have now, it would be a HUGE improvement.

Just as UHC is not really 'free' - I keep seeing people say that they only pay a nominal amount with their employer chipping in the rest. I hope you understand that the 'nominal fee' is just a tiny portion of what they pay and that those could be YOUR wages and that your wages are reduced by at least a portion of that and the rest is passed along to YOU the consumer.

This whole plan may just be a backdoor plan to get everyone on board, to give you all a taste of what UHC can be - and if they have to fine people to get them to come to the party - so be it.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

What I do not understand is why so many Americans are afraid of Universal Health Care, well I do - you were not brought up with it, but I don't understand how you cannot see the logic.

Fear and distrust of the Federal Government...except in the cases when it works for them (Social Security, Medicare, VA benefits, etc.).

[trailmix 77]

What I do not understand is why so many Americans are afraid of Universal Health Care, well I do - you were not brought up with it, but I don't understand how you cannot see the logic.

Fear and distrust of the Federal Government...except in the cases when it works for them (Social Security, Medicare, VA benefits, etc.).

Yes, I can see that, what astounds me is that there appears to be so many that feel this way. I hope they are not the majority, perhaps they are the loudest and most sensationalistic, but not the majority - and seeing as how Obama is attempting to do what he said he would - that would seem to be the case. I mean none of this should be a huge surprise.

That said, while I can understand the 'not being brought up with it' and the 'having a distrust of federal government' standpoints - what I cannot wrap my head around is, when faced with the actual facts, people do not even bend a little. Their minds appear to be closed to any intelligent argument, it seems like they have their fingers in their ears chanting 'I will not believe big government'.

Edited September 26, 2009 by trailmix

[Danno 1,228]

But for sh!ts and giggles - who here complains about mandatory car insurance? Anyone? Danno, does it bother you that you could face legal trouble if you are caught without car insurance?

Actually there is a huge difference.

1. when I drive, I am very likely to cause "others danger".

2. No state I know of requires me to insure my car... only damage I cause to others.

3. The auto insurance is not run by the Govt, the only exception I know of is, NJ tried it and went so far in debt it was a State-Emergency. Not sure what they do there now.

4. No one forces me to drive, in NC you cant get a license without "liability" coverage (with some exception). If you don't want to pay.... mopeds have no such restrictions on insurance or license.

Your reasoning also fails in that...

5. you can carpool take the bus, walk use a bike but there are other ways to live your life with out buying

Auto liability insurance.

* With OBAMA CARE, you must pay your premium to the gov every month until you die.

No if, ands or buts.

It's "collectivism", we decide what is good for "Us" and you pay for it.

Steve.. care to pitch another?

[trailmix 77]

Did you purposefully miss the point?

1. when I drive, I am very likely to cause "others danger".

When you have no health insurance you may not cause others 'danger' - but you certainly make them pay for you.

2. No state I know of requires me to insure my car... only damage I cause to others.

See above.

3. The auto insurance is not run by the Govt, the only exception I know of is, NJ tried it and went so far in debt it was a State-Emergency. Not sure what they do there now.

Just because one state tried something once and managed it poorly does not mean that anyone who tries a plan will have the same result.

4. No one forces me to drive, in NC you cant get a license without "liability" coverage (with some exception). If you don't want to pay.... mopeds have no such restrictions on insurance or license.

5. you can carpool take the bus, walk use a bike but there are other ways to live your life with out buying

Auto liability insurance.

I guess if everyone with no HC insurance agreed to stay home and sit quietly, it might be an option.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

But for sh!ts and giggles - who here complains about mandatory car insurance? Anyone? Danno, does it bother you that you could face legal trouble if you are caught without car insurance?

Actually there is a huge difference.

1. when I drive, I am very likely to cause "others danger".

....sure....use that logic with why you want to prevent gay marriages from being legal.

Harm to others...yeah right...only when it's convenient for your logic.

[rebeccajo 14]

Let Them Eat Advil!

[mawilson 2,133]

Just imagine, you graduate high school or College and want to hang at the beach or hike the Aplach. trail for 6 months, who could afford to do that if you must keep up with paying the Gov it's premium every month?

Not only will you pay them every month or suffer their wrath if you don't but who knows what it will be costing in 5 or 10 years after their hands have been all over it.

Tough! Right now if one of those students falls off the cliff while he's hiking he's automatically treated at the nearest emergency room. He might even have to be helicoptered out of there, and regardless of whether or not he has health insurance, he will get fixed up. If he's as cheap as most students are, he'll never pay the bill, but that doesn't mean the bill doesn't get paid! You and I pay it-through higher insurance premiums.

If they don't like it then maybe next time they can think a little bit harder about who they voted for.

[Danno 1,228]

But for sh!ts and giggles - who here complains about mandatory car insurance? Anyone? Danno, does it bother you that you could face legal trouble if you are caught without car insurance?

Actually there is a huge difference.

1. when I drive, I am very likely to cause "others danger".

....sure....use that logic with why you want to prevent gay marriages from being legal.

Harm to others...yeah right...only when it's convenient for your logic.

Steve, I think I gave a reasoned logical response to your suggestion comparing auto insurance and health insurance.

How does throwing up the topic of : alternatives to marriage law, contribute to this conversation?

[rebeccajo 14]

Danno, I have a question for you.

You are opposed to healthcare reform because you think some people will be getting it for free, right?

You are opposed to healthcare reform because you think everybody will have to pay for it, right?

Which is it - either? Both?

[MrsCat 6]

Danno, I have a question for you.

You are opposed to healthcare reform because you think some people will be getting it for free, right?

You are opposed to healthcare reform because you think everybody will have to pay for it, right?

Which is it - either? Both?

Oh this is going to be good!