children who are spanked have lower IQ

[Mark&Steph 0]

I personally think yoyis will grow up to become a p0rn star and get spanked anyways... seriously, who the hell names their kid yoyis and hopes for a Varsity educated woman???

No one with a full set of dinner cutlery in the cupboard, that's for sure.

[Ban Hammer 13,352]

But... that's ok. I love my libruls anyway, they've got their hearts in the right place

and their heads.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

I spank my monkey when he misbehaves and have seen no ill effects.

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

I spank my monkey when he misbehaves and have seen no ill effects.

Thats cuz yo monkey is a chimp! Or is that a chump?

[zqt3344 21]

That is because they are too stupid to know better when to stop and behave and stay out of trouble, thus they get their little a$$es busted, who commissioned this stupid A$$ study, what a total waste of time and money, good grief! Morons, I am surrounded by morons here!

Spanking can get kids to behave in a hurry, but new research suggests it can do more harm than good to their noggins. The study, involving hundreds of U.S. children, showed the more a child was spanked the lower his or her IQ compared with others.

"All parents want smart children," said study researcher Murray Straus of the University of New Hampshire. "This research shows that avoiding spanking and correcting misbehavior in other ways can help that happen."

One might ask, however, whether children who are spanked tend to come from backgrounds in which education opportunities are less or inherited intelligence lower.

But while the results only show an association between spanking and intelligence, Straus says his methodology and the fact that he took into account other factors that could be at play (such as parents' socioeconomic status) make a good case for a causal link.

"You can't say it proves it, but I think it rules out so many other alternatives; I am convinced that spanking does cause a slowdown in a child's development of mental abilities," Straus told LiveScience.

Intelligence quotients

Straus and his colleague Mallie Paschall of the Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation in Maryland studied nationally representative samples of two age groups: 806 children ages 2 to 4, and 704 ages 5 to 9. The researchers tested the kids' IQs initially and then four years later.

Both groups of kids got smarter after four years. But the 2- to 4-year-olds who were spanked scored 5 points lower on the IQ test than those not spanked. For children ages 5 to 9, the spanked ones scored on average 2.8 points lower than their unspanked counterparts.

The results, he said, were statistically significant. And they held even after accounting for parental education, income, cognitive stimulation by parents and other factors that could affect children's mental abilities.

Straus will present the study results, along with research on the relationship between average national IQ and prevalence of spanking around the world, Friday at the 14th International Conference on Violence, Abuse and Trauma, in San Diego, Calif.

Spanking science

Whether or not spanking equates with dumber kids is not known, and may never be known. That's because the only way to truly show cause and effect would be to follow over time two groups of kids, one randomly assigned to get spanked and another who would not get spanked. Barring that method, which is unfeasible, Straus considers his study the next best thing, as he looked back at a nationally representative set of kids who were followed over time.

Jennifer Lansford of Duke University's Center for Child and Family Policy and Social Science Research Institute called the study "interesting," and agrees the method is a strong one. Lansford, who was not involved with the study, said following kids over time as this study did rules out the possibility that children with lower IQs somehow elicit more physical discipline.

However, unlike research showing the link between spanking and a kid's aggressive behavior, in which kids model parents' actions, this link is less clear to her. She added that a question still left unanswered is "what are some of the other mechanisms that could be responsible for this link between physical discipline and lower IQ?"

How spanking harms

If spanking does send IQ scores down, Straus and others offer some explanations for what might be going on.

"Contrary to what everyone believes, being hit by parents is a traumatic experience," Straus said. "We know from lots of research that traumatic stresses affect the brain adversely." Also, the trauma could cause kids to have more stressful responses in difficult situations, and so may not perform as well cognitively.

By using hitting rather than words or other means of discipline, parents could be depriving kids of learning opportunities. "With spanking, a parent is delivering a punishment to get the child's attention and to get them to behave in a certain way," said Elizabeth Gershoff who studies childhood development at the University of Texas, Austin. "It's not fostering children's independent thinking."

So when a child gets in a bind, he or she might do the right thing to keep from a spanking rather than figuring out the best decision independently, added Gershoff, who was not involved in Straus's current study.

And then there are genes, as some kids are just born smarter than others.

Even though spanking has been shown to cause negative consequences, Gershoff said many parents still fall back on the behavior-shaping tool. As for why, she says it's a quick fix, though its seeming success is short-lived and the negative consequences often outweigh the positives. Parents also might have been spanked themselves and so continue the tradition.

http://www.livescience.com/culture/090924-...d-spanking.html

[Pinocchio Liberal 268]

They are very stupid but that wont stop them.

[Willow2009 0]

Spanking can get kids to behave in a hurry, but new research suggests it can do more harm than good to their noggins. The study, involving hundreds of U.S. children, showed the more a child was spanked the lower his or her IQ compared with others.

"All parents want smart children," said study researcher Murray Straus of the University of New Hampshire. "This research shows that avoiding spanking and correcting misbehavior in other ways can help that happen."

One might ask, however, whether children who are spanked tend to come from backgrounds in which education opportunities are less or inherited intelligence lower.

But while the results only show an association between spanking and intelligence, Straus says his methodology and the fact that he took into account other factors that could be at play (such as parents' socioeconomic status) make a good case for a causal link.

"You can't say it proves it, but I think it rules out so many other alternatives; I am convinced that spanking does cause a slowdown in a child's development of mental abilities," Straus told LiveScience.

Intelligence quotients

Straus and his colleague Mallie Paschall of the Pacific Institute for Research and Evaluation in Maryland studied nationally representative samples of two age groups: 806 children ages 2 to 4, and 704 ages 5 to 9. The researchers tested the kids' IQs initially and then four years later.

Both groups of kids got smarter after four years. But the 2- to 4-year-olds who were spanked scored 5 points lower on the IQ test than those not spanked. For children ages 5 to 9, the spanked ones scored on average 2.8 points lower than their unspanked counterparts.

The results, he said, were statistically significant. And they held even after accounting for parental education, income, cognitive stimulation by parents and other factors that could affect children's mental abilities.

Straus will present the study results, along with research on the relationship between average national IQ and prevalence of spanking around the world, Friday at the 14th International Conference on Violence, Abuse and Trauma, in San Diego, Calif.

Spanking science

Whether or not spanking equates with dumber kids is not known, and may never be known. That's because the only way to truly show cause and effect would be to follow over time two groups of kids, one randomly assigned to get spanked and another who would not get spanked. Barring that method, which is unfeasible, Straus considers his study the next best thing, as he looked back at a nationally representative set of kids who were followed over time.

Jennifer Lansford of Duke University's Center for Child and Family Policy and Social Science Research Institute called the study "interesting," and agrees the method is a strong one. Lansford, who was not involved with the study, said following kids over time as this study did rules out the possibility that children with lower IQs somehow elicit more physical discipline.

However, unlike research showing the link between spanking and a kid's aggressive behavior, in which kids model parents' actions, this link is less clear to her. She added that a question still left unanswered is "what are some of the other mechanisms that could be responsible for this link between physical discipline and lower IQ?"

How spanking harms

If spanking does send IQ scores down, Straus and others offer some explanations for what might be going on.

"Contrary to what everyone believes, being hit by parents is a traumatic experience," Straus said. "We know from lots of research that traumatic stresses affect the brain adversely." Also, the trauma could cause kids to have more stressful responses in difficult situations, and so may not perform as well cognitively.

By using hitting rather than words or other means of discipline, parents could be depriving kids of learning opportunities. "With spanking, a parent is delivering a punishment to get the child's attention and to get them to behave in a certain way," said Elizabeth Gershoff who studies childhood development at the University of Texas, Austin. "It's not fostering children's independent thinking."

So when a child gets in a bind, he or she might do the right thing to keep from a spanking rather than figuring out the best decision independently, added Gershoff, who was not involved in Straus's current study.

And then there are genes, as some kids are just born smarter than others.

Even though spanking has been shown to cause negative consequences, Gershoff said many parents still fall back on the behavior-shaping tool. As for why, she says it's a quick fix, though its seeming success is short-lived and the negative consequences often outweigh the positives. Parents also might have been spanked themselves and so continue the tradition.

http://www.livescience.com/culture/090924-...d-spanking.html

I think they confused spanking with growing up in a disfunctional family that does not teach intellect to a child.

I don't agree with the study's conclusion.

[Jenn! 918]

This study is absolutely correct. I was never spanked and no one is smarter than I am.

[S and S 12]

A couple days ago my husband and I were in the store when we overheard a child screaming her head off across the store. It went on for nearly 10 minutes though I couldn't actually see the girl or her parents from where I was. You could see the whole store was hearing the screaming. God knows what set the girl off and I imagine better parenting could have prevented the episode all together, but what do you think a parent should do in a situation where their child is kicking and screaming on the floor for 10 minutes? I don't have children yet, but I was wondering what I would do. I do know I wouldn't have stayed in the store that long after my child started acting like that, but I also couldn't see exactly what was happening with the child. I only know it was loud and sounded like she was making a commotion in that section of the store. For all I know she fought her parents when they tried to take her out of the store.

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Eric must have been abused.

[Danno 1,228]

A couple days ago my husband and I were in the store when we overheard a child screaming her head off across the store. It went on for nearly 10 minutes though I couldn't actually see the girl or her parents from where I was. You could see the whole store was hearing the screaming. God knows what set the girl off and I imagine better parenting could have prevented the episode all together, but what do you think a parent should do in a situation where their child is kicking and screaming on the floor for 10 minutes? I don't have children yet, but I was wondering what I would do. I do know I wouldn't have stayed in the store that long after my child started acting like that, but I also couldn't see exactly what was happening with the child. I only know it was loud and sounded like she was making a commotion in that section of the store. For all I know she fought her parents when they tried to take her out of the store.

Of course we don't know the childs age or if there were some circumstances (such as the kid was sick and they were trying to get a prescription filled).

But given normal circumstances I will tell you what I would have done.... and have done.

I would have told the child to do something reasonable like get up off the floor right now.

I would have counted to five, if he was not up....

Then I would have calmly marched him to the bathroom and spanked his ####.

Now some of you softies think "oh that is to harsh", but I can promise you, you never have to do that more than once or twice in a childs life and the rest of your shopping days with him are reasonable, even enjoyable.

IF you think that will crush your little Kiddo's spirit, just do what you always do... beg and plead and make idle threats or deals...... just so you can get through a simple task like, shopping.

The child quickly learns 2 things

1. when you tell him to do something like "Get up", you mean it. (most important lesson of all)

2. and How to restrain himself in public.

Spanking is only one type of disciple but it is most effective when used properly.

The most effective tool you have as a parent is "CONSISTENCY".... without that, you make your job multiple times more difficult and spanking will have little effect either.

Your parenting is reduced to "making deals" with kids.... and the older they get the more unmanageable their bartering price becomes.

[PlatyPius 5]

A couple days ago my husband and I were in the store when we overheard a child screaming her head off across the store. It went on for nearly 10 minutes though I couldn't actually see the girl or her parents from where I was. You could see the whole store was hearing the screaming. God knows what set the girl off and I imagine better parenting could have prevented the episode all together, but what do you think a parent should do in a situation where their child is kicking and screaming on the floor for 10 minutes? I don't have children yet, but I was wondering what I would do. I do know I wouldn't have stayed in the store that long after my child started acting like that, but I also couldn't see exactly what was happening with the child. I only know it was loud and sounded like she was making a commotion in that section of the store. For all I know she fought her parents when they tried to take her out of the store.

Of course we don't know the childs age or if there were some circumstances (such as the kid was sick and they were trying to get a prescription filled).

But given normal circumstances I will tell you what I would have done.... and have done.

I would have told the child to do something reasonable like get up off the floor right now.

I would have counted to five, if he was not up....

Then I would have calmly marched him to the bathroom and spanked his ####.

Now some of you softies think "oh that is to harsh", but I can promise you, you never have to do that more than once or twice in a childs life and the rest of your shopping days with him are reasonable, even enjoyable.

IF you think that will crush your little Kiddo's spirit, just do what you always do... beg and plead and make idle threats or deals...... just so you can get through a simple task like, shopping.

The child quickly learns 2 things

1. when you tell him to do something like "Get up", you mean it. (most important lesson of all)

2. and How to restrain himself in public.

Spanking is only one type of disciple but it is most effective when used properly.

The most effective tool you have as a parent is "CONSISTENCY".... without that, you make your job multiple times more difficult and spanking will have little effect either.

Your parenting is reduced to "making deals" with kids.... and the older they get the more unmanageable their bartering price becomes.

I'm with Danno on this one.

"Reasoning" with a kid, "bargaining"...they put the power in the kid's hands, not the parent's. That's why we have a generation or two of demanding, greedy, rude brats who think the world owes them something.

[sara..... 371]

A couple days ago my husband and I were in the store when we overheard a child screaming her head off across the store. It went on for nearly 10 minutes though I couldn't actually see the girl or her parents from where I was. You could see the whole store was hearing the screaming. God knows what set the girl off and I imagine better parenting could have prevented the episode all together, but what do you think a parent should do in a situation where their child is kicking and screaming on the floor for 10 minutes? I don't have children yet, but I was wondering what I would do. I do know I wouldn't have stayed in the store that long after my child started acting like that, but I also couldn't see exactly what was happening with the child. I only know it was loud and sounded like she was making a commotion in that section of the store. For all I know she fought her parents when they tried to take her out of the store.

Of course we don't know the childs age or if there were some circumstances (such as the kid was sick and they were trying to get a prescription filled).

But given normal circumstances I will tell you what I would have done.... and have done.

I would have told the child to do something reasonable like get up off the floor right now.

I would have counted to five, if he was not up....

Then I would have calmly marched him to the bathroom and spanked his ####.

Now some of you softies think "oh that is to harsh", but I can promise you, you never have to do that more than once or twice in a childs life and the rest of your shopping days with him are reasonable, even enjoyable.

IF you think that will crush your little Kiddo's spirit, just do what you always do... beg and plead and make idle threats or deals...... just so you can get through a simple task like, shopping.

The child quickly learns 2 things

1. when you tell him to do something like "Get up", you mean it. (most important lesson of all)

2. and How to restrain himself in public.

Spanking is only one type of disciple but it is most effective when used properly.

The most effective tool you have as a parent is "CONSISTENCY".... without that, you make your job multiple times more difficult and spanking will have little effect either.

Your parenting is reduced to "making deals" with kids.... and the older they get the more unmanageable their bartering price becomes.

I'm with Danno on this one.

"Reasoning" with a kid, "bargaining"...they put the power in the kid's hands, not the parent's. That's why we have a generation or two of demanding, greedy, rude brats who think the world owes them something.

when we were growing up nobody wanted to take a trip to the van with mom from the store if she threatened us, and the kids older than me didnt want a trip to the bathroom in store........

we all turned out fine most of us have 4.00 in school and college

sara

[Ban Hammer 13,352]

That's why we have a generation or two of demanding, greedy, rude brats who think the world owes them something.

nothing like an over developed sense of entitlement.

[William33 110]

OP: This is total #######.....my IQ and job performance is very respectable, yet corporal punishment was prevalent during my youth....My BS behaviour was straightened out quickly with an azz whippping or two...

My parents have extraordinary education credentials and had outstanding jobs....Both retired and old now....

That said, I don't believe in corporal punishment for any of my children, given the current alternatives not realized in the 1970-1980's time frame. However, to tell you the truth, the current "process" of time out and so forth is completely ineffective....

Thus explaining the "jackazz" society we live in.

I am struggling with my 2 year old, even though I have already raised 2 children through college, under a different mindset.