children who are spanked have lower IQ

[Joseph & Ana 0]

You're equating spanking to beating. Its dishonest and everyone here knows it.

[NArocks 13]

I got hook worms playing in Sand, but thoese were right under the skin. Yes where is this sand box ??

[Chica Yeyé 41]

You're equating spanking to beating. Its dishonest and everyone here knows it.

MY point of view: spanking is a term "spankers" use to make themselves feel better. I find beating on a child (or any being for that matter) a despicable act; be it a physical beating or an emotional one. Dishonest? I don't think so.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

There is a clear difference between spanking and beating. I don't use any term to make myself feel better about it.

[Chica Yeyé 41]

There is a clear difference between spanking and beating. I don't use any term to make myself feel better about it.

And that's how YOU feel: and you are being honest about it, more power to you. Me feeling different does not make me dishonest.

[NArocks 13]

Oh SNAP dis is getting good

[~*Maria*~ 1]

Oh SNAP dis is getting good

pass the

[Danno 1,228]

Why is it, measuring an IQ is relevant and accurate when it proves "we" are smart or to validate a viewpoint on such silly things such as ....spanking

but when IQ scores show patterns we don't like .. we discount them?

[Chica Yeyé 41]

Why is it, measuring an IQ is relevant and accurate when it proves "we" are smart or to validate a viewpoint on such silly things such as ....spanking

but when IQ scores show patterns we don't like .. we discount them?

Good point. Besides, we must remember that IQ scoring takes into account only ONE type of intelligence, and gives prevalence to mathematical/spatial thought. Not very accurate #######.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Sorry, I don't believe spanking leads to domestic abuse.

I can give examples of well-known violent murderers who were not spanked and use that to bolster an arguement too. But I won't.

If you were ABUSED, sure maybe. But measured spanking NO.

Have you read up on FBI profiling? I'll see if I can find some info. Pretty interesting stuff. There are certain things that are common among serial killers and their upbringing.

[Malrothien 6]

Sorry, I don't believe spanking leads to domestic abuse.

I can give examples of well-known violent murderers who were not spanked and use that to bolster an arguement too. But I won't.

If you were ABUSED, sure maybe. But measured spanking NO.

Have you read up on FBI profiling? I'll see if I can find some info. Pretty interesting stuff. There are certain things that are common among serial killers and their upbringing.

It's rather disturbing, that's for sure. Usually involves a psychotic mother.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Here's something...

To discover what makes a serial killer function, it is necessary to look back into their past, particularly their adolescent life. By looking at many and varied cases, it is evident that virtually all serial killers come from dysfunctional backgrounds involving sexual or physical abuse, drugs or alcoholism and their related problems. Many traits that seem to be universal in all these serial killers, though in varied amounts, include disorganised thinking, bipolar mode disorders, a feeling of resentment towards society brought on by their own failings, sexual frustrations, an inability to be social or socially accepted, over bearing parents and a wild imagination that tends to drag them into a fantasy world. In a chart of serial killer - childhood development characteristics - created by Ressler, Burgers and Douglas (1990), the three most frequently reported behaviors included day dreaming, compulsive masturbation, and isolation.

The daydreaming, which is brought on by an over productive imagination, tends to lead the way into the general fantasy world that the serial killer begins to live in to protect himself from any isolation he is faced with. At an early age, if a child is left alone, or forced to live in isolation whereby little attention is given to them for long periods of time, their minds become the object of their company, and thus begin the daydreams and the fantasy world (Ressler, Douglas and Burgess, 1990).This kind of isolation tends to breed feelings of inadequacy in some way or other in all serial killers. These feelings maybe masked by numerous artificial successes, but these feelings run deeper than the normal neurotic feelings of not being good enough. Essentially, these early life attachments which are known as ‘bonding’, set up a map by which the child will in later life react to others. In such cases, the children do not learn how to interact properly within their society, and at best, turn into mirror images of their isolators. A prime example of this can be seen in the case of Ed Kemper, whose mother condemned him to the basement of their home at the tender age of ten in fear that he would molest his younger sister (though he had not given his mother any reason to think this). Confused and angry as to why he was suffering this punishment, he turned to his fantasies, which may have started out as ‘normal’, but with the continued isolation they quickly became his dominant world.

At this point, it is important to acknowledge that the majority of all daydreamers will not find themselves turning into murderers in later years; and so too, not all fantasy life is pathological. In fact, ordinary, healthy human beings often dream about their hopes and pleasures, even those that are beyond their reach. "Some of these fantasies may include such deviant and bizarre sexual practices as fetishes, pedophilia, bondage, and rape…Because of their strong sense of conscience or concern over their public image, most will resist translating their desires into action" (Ressler, Douglas and Burgess, 1990). Detailed, ongoing research by the F.B.I shows that many convicted serial killers enact their crimes because of the incredibly rich, detailed and elaborate violent fantasies (including the act of murder) that have developed in their minds as early as the age of seven and eight. What distinguishes killers from ‘normal’ civilians is that the aggressive day dreams that have been developed as children, continue to develop and expand through their adolescence right into manhood, where they are finally released into the real world (Wilson & Seamen, 1992). Through the use of murder and mayhem, the serial killer literally chases his dream. With each successive victim, he attempts to fine tune the act, striving to make his real life experiences as perfect as his fantasy (Apsche, 1993).

http://www.uplink.com.au/lawlibrary/Documents/Docs/Doc5.html

[I AM NOT THAT GUY 5,715]

children who are spanked have lower IQ

There are no brains in your buttocks! Flawed science, no doubt.

[Amby 490]

What I think this has right is: if you tell a child he/she is an idiot over and over again; accompanied with beating him/her (call it spanking, i call it what it is: beating); he/she will have exactly that view of him/herself. Nothing new here.

It's called beating down the child. And it sucks. This was one chain i was uterly determined to break when raising my daughter that is for GD sure. However to say because you werebeat down and then in adult hood can not cope mean BS to me, cause I did it so anybody can

Exactly right. Some people in this country treat their freaking pets better than they do their children. "Poopydoo" is a booboobaby while "Sean" can do nothing right and is a pig.

Breaking the cycle is the key hermana. Oh, and BTW my mother was a spanker. And the results... well, I a, seriously fvcked up

Another thing that is rarely discussed though, is parents se'ling kiddos the "you can do ANYTHING you want if you REALLY put your hear in it" BS. I could have never had become a gymnast no matter how hard I tried. Some people just utterly svck at Chemistry, but are GREAT with a well equipped kitchen. But if the poor child believes said bull, and goes out to the world, he will see how he cannot be anything he likes. And that will svck. A lot.

#######! My mom always told me I could be/do whatever I wanted as long as I wanted it bad enough and was willing to work for it. Damn her!

[Chica Yeyé 41]

#######! My mom always told me I could be/do whatever I wanted as long as I wanted it bad enough and was willing to work for it. Damn her!

She lied.