HCMC Blue Slip today

[luckytxn 2,264]

Thanks for the replies everyone. The CO asked a few questions, looked at some photos and emails. Then gave her all the documents she had brought back to her except her ds230 and her visa photos. The VNese translator told her not to worry just bring in a timeline. She said the interview was about 10 minutes.

Again thanks everyone, your input and experiences are helpful. Will let you know what happens after she delivers the timeline. By the way, has anyone bought in their Blue slip evidence earlier than the date they were told to bring them?

Effjaye

Don't ever trust them, they tell you to submit timeline so they can find a reason to denial your case.

trust me

Your bitterness is showing through brightly.

[Dai. 7]

Wild guess, but I think maybe The Consulate probably knows about this website now and they are making it harder for people to interview based on what they read on here. I wouldn't be suprised since no where in the documentation does it say for the initial interview to make a time line, submit it at the 1st window, and then all of a sudden an abundant amount of people turn in timelines on the 1st interview that almost looks similiar to each other and then so happens everyone one of them are notarized.

[lindal24 1]

IMHO, I personally think it's a great idea to request a timeline prior to the interview so that the COs can be better prepared to ask the beneficiary questions semi-related and then confirm the answers with the petitioner and/or those with knowledge of the facts.

Of course, this theory will have it's pros and cons, but I think this would help deflect alot of the fraud cases that come through!

[Frank and Duyen 0]

IMHO, I personally think it's a great idea to request a timeline prior to the interview so that the COs can be better prepared to ask the beneficiary questions semi-related and then confirm the answers with the petitioner and/or those with knowledge of the facts.

Of course, this theory will have it's pros and cons, but I think this would help deflect alot of the fraud cases that come through!

I agree with you lindal24 but it really should be mentioned somewhere officially as a required doc. Or maybe its what they consider "Proof of a bonifide Relationship" as required evidence.

effjaye

[ScottThuy 140]

We will see if front loading it helps... Mine is in the initial filing... I also have an updated version in the proof of bonafide section that will get submitted at the interview...

Dai Tx.. if they are scratching their heads when people show up with it at first interview.. what do you think they will think when it comes with the 129F from NVC?

[JimVaPhuong 4,863]

Wild guess, but I think maybe The Consulate probably knows about this website now and they are making it harder for people to interview based on what they read on here. I wouldn't be suprised since no where in the documentation does it say for the initial interview to make a time line, submit it at the 1st window, and then all of a sudden an abundant amount of people turn in timelines on the 1st interview that almost looks similiar to each other and then so happens everyone one of them are notarized.

This website has been around for years. Of course the consulate knows about it. This isn't the only website, either. There are also websites where VN girls share information with each other, and most internet dating sites also have forums where people share information. I'm sure the consulate is very well aware that this is going on. I am also certain that the consulate knows that anything they do publicly, like asking for a timeline or list of beneficiary's family in the US, is going to be broadcast on one more forums within 24 hours.

But, I don't think what they do publicly has that much effect on whether someone gets pink, blue, white, AP, or whatever. These things that we KNOW they do don't really tell us anything about the real decision making process, and THAT is what they want to keep secret from the visa scammers. Yes, they ask for a timeline. Some people turn in the timeline, and get pink the same day. Other people turn in the timeline, and get another blue and are told to wait. Still others turn in the timeline and get denied immediately. Do you think their timelines are that radically different that they would make so much difference in the outcome of the case?

Many times, after they give a blue slip for the timeline, the beneficiary tells them that they brought a timeline with them, but the CO won't accept it. They tell them to come back on the date specified on the blue slip. Why? If the timeline is really going to be the deciding factor, why not accept it right then?

Personally, I think in those cases it's because the timeline isn't really want they want. They got the additional information they needed with the documents the beneficiary submitted, and now they want time to investigate further. The timeline is just an excuse. If the beneficiary comes back with the timeline and gets a pink, it's because they finished their investigation and they're satisfied with the case. If they get another blue and are told to wait, maybe they need some information from the timeline to finish their investigation. If they get denied, I doubt it's because the timeline wasn't enough to convince them. They probably knew when the beneficiary walked in with the timeline that they were going to deny them.

This all goes back to reinforcing the concept of front loading, and making the initial petition package as convincing as it can be. It's a lot more than just including every item on a checklist, or even addressing your red flags. Someone who has never met you before should be able to flip through your package and believe that they are looking at a sincere and genuine couple in love. If they see something that makes them suspicious, it should be offset by an explanation or evidence that would convince a reasonable person that the red flag is a false alarm.

Something else to consider is that the CO is going to have information about you that you did NOT include in any of your documents. Anything which is contained in any public records or publicly accessible database is going to be in the CO's file. Do you own your home? The CO is going to know it. In fact, they are going to know how much you pay in property taxes each year. Was an insurance claim filed against you last year because of an auto accident? They're going to know that, as well. Own a business or have a business license? Apply for a job where the employer did a background check on you? Get caught shoplifting at a store, but were never charged or convicted? Have any criminal history where you were convicted? Submit an application for an apartment, that included a credit check or background check from a renter's association? Ever been evicted from a home or apartment?

Yep, they're going to know ALL of those things. They can't use any of the information to deny the visa, unless it's obvious you lied about something in the documents you submitted. However, if your public records make YOU look like a less than stellar citizen, then they are going to look at your case much more closely. Don't be fooled into thinking that the consulate stage is all about the beneficiary. You should know what is in your public records, because they will know.

Edited September 23, 2009 by JimVaPhuong

[Kevin&Loan 0]

A few years back, there was one poster that was actually an CO from HCMC. He said the Consulate was well aware of this website and they came here from time to time. However, he must have been transfered to another post since I have not seen him around for years.

[JimVaPhuong 4,863]

A few years back, there was one poster that was actually an CO from HCMC. He said the Consulate was well aware of this website and they came here from time to time. However, he must have been transfered to another post since I have not seen him around for years.

I wonder if they ever recognize an applicant based on posts they see here.

I think Phuong would faint if she walked up to the window and the CO said "Hi, Phuong. How's that new toilet working out?".

[Kevin&Loan 0]

Jim

It has been a while so I don't remember exactly but he seemed to recognized a few people. One member back then complained about something on this board and he replied saying that he remember interviewing that poster's fiance.

So, if anyone from the Consulte is reading this ... please please please ... give these people PINK ... You give them Pink, they go home happy, they won't bother you anymore = making your job a whole lot easier

[ScottThuy 140]

A few years back, there was one poster that was actually an CO from HCMC. He said the Consulate was well aware of this website and they came here from time to time. However, he must have been transfered to another post since I have not seen him around for years.

I wonder if they ever recognize an applicant based on posts they see here.

I think Phuong would faint if she walked up to the window and the CO said "Hi, Phuong. How's that new toilet working out?".

Thats hilarious!

Coming on here could be a great investigative tool for them.. wanna find out about a couple? Go read some of thier posts.... Wouldnt it be funny if the questions they asked at the interview were derived from conversations here?

[b_weeks 6]

Wild guess, but I think maybe The Consulate probably knows about this website now and they are making it harder for people to interview based on what they read on here. I wouldn't be suprised since no where in the documentation does it say for the initial interview to make a time line, submit it at the 1st window, and then all of a sudden an abundant amount of people turn in timelines on the 1st interview that almost looks similiar to each other and then so happens everyone one of them are notarized.

This website has been around for years. Of course the consulate knows about it. This isn't the only website, either. There are also websites where VN girls share information with each other, and most internet dating sites also have forums where people share information. I'm sure the consulate is very well aware that this is going on. I am also certain that the consulate knows that anything they do publicly, like asking for a timeline or list of beneficiary's family in the US, is going to be broadcast on one more forums within 24 hours.

But, I don't think what they do publicly has that much effect on whether someone gets pink, blue, white, AP, or whatever. These things that we KNOW they do don't really tell us anything about the real decision making process, and THAT is what they want to keep secret from the visa scammers. Yes, they ask for a timeline. Some people turn in the timeline, and get pink the same day. Other people turn in the timeline, and get another blue and are told to wait. Still others turn in the timeline and get denied immediately. Do you think their timelines are that radically different that they would make so much difference in the outcome of the case?

Many times, after they give a blue slip for the timeline, the beneficiary tells them that they brought a timeline with them, but the CO won't accept it. They tell them to come back on the date specified on the blue slip. Why? If the timeline is really going to be the deciding factor, why not accept it right then?

Personally, I think in those cases it's because the timeline isn't really want they want. They got the additional information they needed with the documents the beneficiary submitted, and now they want time to investigate further. The timeline is just an excuse. If the beneficiary comes back with the timeline and gets a pink, it's because they finished their investigation and they're satisfied with the case. If they get another blue and are told to wait, maybe they need some information from the timeline to finish their investigation. If they get denied, I doubt it's because the timeline wasn't enough to convince them. They probably knew when the beneficiary walked in with the timeline that they were going to deny them.

This all goes back to reinforcing the concept of front loading, and making the initial petition package as convincing as it can be. It's a lot more than just including every item on a checklist, or even addressing your red flags. Someone who has never met you before should be able to flip through your package and believe that they are looking at a sincere and genuine couple in love. If they see something that makes them suspicious, it should be offset by an explanation or evidence that would convince a reasonable person that the red flag is a false alarm.

Something else to consider is that the CO is going to have information about you that you did NOT include in any of your documents. Anything which is contained in any public records or publicly accessible database is going to be in the CO's file. Do you own your home? The CO is going to know it. In fact, they are going to know how much you pay in property taxes each year. Was an insurance claim filed against you last year because of an auto accident? They're going to know that, as well. Own a business or have a business license? Apply for a job where the employer did a background check on you? Get caught shoplifting at a store, but were never charged or convicted? Have any criminal history where you were convicted? Submit an application for an apartment, that included a credit check or background check from a renter's association? Ever been evicted from a home or apartment?

Yep, they're going to know ALL of those things. They can't use any of the information to deny the visa, unless it's obvious you lied about something in the documents you submitted. However, if your public records make YOU look like a less than stellar citizen, then they are going to look at your case much more closely. Don't be fooled into thinking that the consulate stage is all about the beneficiary. You should know what is in your public records, because they will know.

GEAT POST JimVAPhuong....

That is exactly what it is. It all depends on how you present your case in the documents you present to the consulate. If you only provide the minimum information, prepare yourself for a BLUE SLIP.

YOU HAVE TO TELL A STORY of your love in the evidence to the consulate.

I have 3 RED FLAGS in our case, and we received PINK in our first interview. It is all how your present your case and tell your story.

[Dau Que 6]

Is there an update to this problem, OP?

[ScottThuy 140]

Is there an update to this problem, OP?

They are in AP...

[SuperDuper! 230]

IMHO, I personally think it's a great idea to request a timeline prior to the interview so that the COs can be better prepared to ask the beneficiary questions semi-related and then confirm the answers with the petitioner and/or those with knowledge of the facts.

Of course, this theory will have it's pros and cons, but I think this would help deflect alot of the fraud cases that come through!

It seems that the timeline is an absolute requirement when going thru the HCMC consulate. In fact, the only time I read about required timelines are from couples going thru HCMC.

Can anyone briefly enlighten the rest of us why timelines are so vital when going thru HCMC, and not other consulates, like Manila? Thx, and God bless.

[ScottThuy 140]

That is HCMC's tool to get extra time to evaluate a case and extra info to try to find flaws in a relationship... its a great idea and should be done in two phases.. pre filing and then an updated one at the interview... this would give the CO a better perspective about the relationship.... they actually try not to accept it at the interview and it is usually used as an excuse for a blue slip 221G at the interview.. very common and should be expected by all HCMC filers... along with a list of relatives living in the US (beneficiary) and proof of domicile of ex's... in other words they like to have us prove we are no longer with our ex's... even if it has been many years... this is often triggered by utility bills or assets that are still in joint names or if the ex is using utilities in your name...