Does Israel have a right to exist?

[Risto 0]

What kind a question is this? I am offended. I am gona cry to the administrator of VJ to ban those who answer NO so they can register and log on the next day with similar name

[PlatyPius 5]

How far back does one go in all of this? Do we lay all of the ills of the world on England? Or do we go even further back and complain about 1066 as well? Damn Normans. It's all their fault.

[peejay 327]

There is a school of thought that land belongs to the people who live on it, not the people who won it by battle. If everyone agreed that winning land in battle made it yours and you were free to do with it as you wished, there would be no conflict, no war.

If we follow that logic, then, couldn't Britain come back and claim the US colonies as theirs? After all, they stole it from the rightful inhabitants first...

one could also argue that america does not have the right to exist, since it was taken from the indians....

Depends on which side of the argument you're on. If you believe winning land in battle makes it yours, America has a right to exist. If you do not, America does not.

Let's not forget that this would apply to the Spanish conquest of Mexico and the South American countries as well. The inhabitants with Spanish / European blood should move back to Spain and give the land back to the indigenous peoples.

Just thought I would throw that old cliche in that gets brought up repeatedly by America bashers when they use it to bash the USA.

You're somewhat right, but overlook a crucial point. While the European colonizers in the US did everything to prevent mixed-raced children and aimed at maintaining not only their racial but also their ethnic purity, the Spanish colonizers were much more likely to racial miscegenation. Consequently, most South American are mulitracial descent of European colonizers, African slaves, and native Indian inhabitants. As such, they have married into the family and have thus a right to the land (or at least more so than US-inhabitants of European descent).

edit: deleted double post. sometimes my internet is just too slow...

So I guess if you don't have indigenous blood then we should all just move back to where we came from? And in the case of the indigenous peoples...back to their traditional ancestoral land if they happened to stray from the area they were indigenous to. And if your not mixed race then you are an evil colonizer. Everyone else bred away their sins. Kind of hard to do in these modern times...so I guess most folks will have to get over it and deal with reality.

And Israel exists because they exists. Not sure if they have a right to, but they exist anyway. As other cliches go..."possession is 9/10ths of the law and might makes right."

[Nessa 23]

I voted other than that

[46]

It has certainly earned its existence.

[Karen_L 1]

I have a feeling this thread is going to piss me off.

Why? Do you have a problem with being wrong?

And it begins.

LOL!

(PS: Good luck on the 19th)

[BelwinMills 0]

a yes vote from me. It has a right to exist right were it is!

[dalegg 143]

one could also argue that america does not have the right to exist, since it was taken from the indians....

So the answer to this problem is that 200 years from now Israelis will be losing their money hand over fist in Palestinean casinos and both sides will live in peaceful coexistence.

[mawilson 2,133]

one could also argue that america does not have the right to exist, since it was taken from the indians....

So the answer to this problem is that 200 years from now Israelis will be losing their money hand over fist in Palestinean casinos and both sides will live in peaceful coexistence.

Funny you should say that -- gambling is illegal in Israel and many Israelis did in fact

used to go to Palestinian casinos when it was safe to do so.

[Risto 0]

Israel YES

what about ths one?

[kittykatwoman 0]

What kind a question is this? I am offended. I am gona cry to the administrator of VJ to ban those who answer NO so they can register and log on the next day with similar name

[incanada1234 0]

I have a feeling this thread is going to piss me off.

Why? Do you have a problem with being wrong?

And it begins.

LOL!

(PS: Good luck on the 19th)

Thanks!

[Kajikit 65]

There's a problem when you take a country and artificially split it up and say 'okay, I'll give THIS bit to these people and it's theirs now, not yours any more'... you're taking away something that the other people are going to be very PO'ed about, especially the ones who live in that particular bit of land and are now 'foreigners' or told to leave... Of course that's the only way to make a country nowadays because there aren't any 'unclaimed' corners of the map, so it's a very difficult issue.

[Kajikit 65]

I'd say that yes, Israel does have the 'right' to exist... but the Palestinians were there first and the bits of land that were theirs have been being gradually eroded ever since Israel was first created - they have a right to have some place to live too!

[hahuhobrad 0]

Yes they have a right to exist. If you think not...try to move them. They are the most highly trained military in the world, and they have a cause. Land rights and borders have changed thousands of times in history. The fact is they can and will kill anyone who threatens them. They are powerfull, and the powerfull always make the decisions.

Edited July 21, 2006 by hahuhobrad