Does Israel have a right to exist?

[Ban Hammer 13,344]

Actually, there were colonies of Jews in the US in kibbutzesque collective farms but they all failed. This was pre-Israel. Other options were explored. Why don't we give the Jews Wyoming?

i vote for giving them wisconsin. and minnisota!

Too late. They already took New York.

is that why you wanted to move to ny?

[w¡n9Nµ7 §£@¥€r 123]

Actually, there were colonies of Jews in the US in kibbutzesque collective farms but they all failed. This was pre-Israel. Other options were explored. Why don't we give the Jews Wyoming?

i vote for giving them wisconsin. and minnisota!

Too late. They already took New York.

is that why you wanted to move to ny?

Let's try not to get personal.

[Alex+R 0]

Actually, there were colonies of Jews in the US in kibbutzesque collective farms but they all failed. This was pre-Israel. Other options were explored. Why don't we give the Jews Wyoming?

i vote for giving them wisconsin. and minnisota!

Too late. They already took New York.

is that why you wanted to move to ny?

Let's try not to get personal.

Whatever. I'm the first generation NON-New York City Jew. My dad only moved to the midwest after college.

[Ban Hammer 13,344]

Actually, there were colonies of Jews in the US in kibbutzesque collective farms but they all failed. This was pre-Israel. Other options were explored. Why don't we give the Jews Wyoming?

i vote for giving them wisconsin. and minnisota!

Too late. They already took New York.

is that why you wanted to move to ny?

Let's try not to get personal.

Whatever. I'm the first generation NON-New York City Jew. My dad only moved to the midwest after college.

you should sue for emotional distress.

[Alex+R 0]

Actually, there were colonies of Jews in the US in kibbutzesque collective farms but they all failed. This was pre-Israel. Other options were explored. Why don't we give the Jews Wyoming?

i vote for giving them wisconsin. and minnisota!

Too late. They already took New York.

is that why you wanted to move to ny?

Let's try not to get personal.

Whatever. I'm the first generation NON-New York City Jew. My dad only moved to the midwest after college.

you should sue for emotional distress.

Uh, what?

[Ban Hammer 13,344]

Actually, there were colonies of Jews in the US in kibbutzesque collective farms but they all failed. This was pre-Israel. Other options were explored. Why don't we give the Jews Wyoming?

i vote for giving them wisconsin. and minnisota!

Too late. They already took New York.

is that why you wanted to move to ny?

Let's try not to get personal.

Whatever. I'm the first generation NON-New York City Jew. My dad only moved to the midwest after college.

you should sue for emotional distress.

Uh, what?

for being forced to live in the midwest.

[Dianna_and_Adam 0]

I vote yes. What do you think? For the purposes of this, disregard the current conflict in the region. Simply state whether or not you believe the nation as we know it today, has a right to exist.

This must be a joke!!!

Do you have the right to exist?

And all the MTFs that voted no- maybe some day- I'll show up with a shot gun on your doorstep!

I see that the ###### baby killer terrorist TV propaganda is working on some people- if you have the slightest doubt about who has the right to exist and who doesn't- come live in Israel for a bit, in an ordinary house, close to the border- and tell an arab that you are Jewish...go ahead- try it!- I promise you- no other country would be generous like Israel !

Israel kept feeding and giving homes, school and social help to the people that swore from the very beginning to kill all Jews one by one!!!

people who keep killing Innocent Israeli civilians while crying on TV about how poor and mistreated they are!!

people who teach their 5 year old children- I'm probably exaggerating.......3 year old children is more like it!- to spit on Jewish old woman and call them h*r*s! (like my 72 year old grand mother for example)

People who weep and moan in the funerals of their baby killer "Shahids" - man who purposely killed dozens of Innocent people- I wonder- what would the US do to a serial killer that murdered 14 young man and children?- electric chair probably- right?- that's what you all would say!

SO WHY?

WHY?

WHY THE HELL DON'T PEOPLE DO ANYTHING ABOUT THOSE MURDERERS?

WHY ARE THERE STILL PEOPLE WHO STAND BEHIND THEM A SUPPORT THEM?

HOW CAN YOU CRITICIZE WHAT ISRAEL IS DOING?- EVEN IN THE COURT OF AMERICAN LAW- A PERSON THAT ACTS IN SELF DEFENCE IS INNOCENT!

AND WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE ISRAELI ARMY?

I-D-F !!!

ISRAELI DEFENCE ARMY

WE MUST DEFEND OURSELVES- WE CAN'T AFFORD TO BE POLITICALLY CORRECT WHEN THE ENTIRE ARABIC WORLD IS TRYING TO WIPE OFF OUR COUNTRY FROM EXISTENCE!!!

Please people- at least if you go and criticize a country for it's defencive and political acts- don't do it without personal experience in that country!!!- it's Hippocratic to do so!!!

IT'S HURTING PEOPLE LIKE ME AND OTHERS TO SEE SUCH POSTS HERE!!!- HOW CAN YOU EVEN ASK A QUESTION AS RIDICULOUS AS THIS?

[Dianna_and_Adam 0]

I've never understood the concept of Israel. Maybe someone could clear this up.

A third party walked in and gave a chunk of Palestine to the Israelis, and Palestine was supposed to not be upset. I know this is a fantastic amount of oversimplification, so maybe someone can fill in the details of my dodgy history education here?

Exactly, never should have been created in the first place. Why was land taken away from people in the Middle East for something Europeans did to Jews.

I'LL SHAD SOME LIGHT ON THAT FOR YOU LAD- O.K?

That Land initially did not belong to these"people in the middle east"- and by the way- Jews- surprisingly- are also middle Easter and not European!

I think most of us here are either Jewish or Christians(not because I overlook other religions- but I believe that is the majority here).....and both of our religions have pretty much the same book- so how can you disregard a proof that most of the world considers to be the holy book......( even the "koran" BTW states- that Jews were in Israel since the beginning of time).........and proves beyond all doubts that this land was given by god and won over by many wars and had much Jewish blood spilled over it....how can you still be confused about how the land of Israel belongs to the Israeli Jewish people??????

if the holy book is just a hoax- then lets dismiss the entire church!- lets take apart the synagogues, and while you're at it- take down all the muslim chapels- they are just fake as well!

Lets take all the people in the US and send them back to Europe- and give it back to the few Indians left.....O!- and Australia to the Aborigines, New Zealand to the Maurise and South Africa to the native Africans.

Israel- was not given to us!!!!!!- no way!!!!!- it was won by us- by hard work and lots of blood till this very day- and the Israeli people deserve every inch of the land- if not by heritage and world wide Religions, then by blood and investment and hard work on the though land!

[Dianna_and_Adam 0]

Yes, but couldn't it have been created somewhere else? Like possibly a part of Germany or something?

From what I understand, no, because the religious ties of the Israeli community are to that specific land. Or so it has been explained to me!

and muslims don't have religious ties to that specific area?

I can certainly understand that they have ties to that area however it was not Palestine's duty to give up that land. I can definately understand their anger towards Israel.

However let me make it clear that I do not support either side. I say let them kill each other then we'll figure out what to do with the ashes.

Well- thank you sweetheart!!!- I wish you to have many wonderfull Israeli friends - and find many good Jewish people to love you and fill you life with happiness- just like I do

so that you start f**ing caring!

[Dianna_and_Adam 0]

Yes, but couldn't it have been created somewhere else? Like possibly a part of Germany or something?

From what I understand, no, because the religious ties of the Israeli community are to that specific land. Or so it has been explained to me!

and muslims don't have religious ties to that specific area?

I can certainly understand that they have ties to that area however it was not Palestine's duty to give up that land. I can definately understand their anger towards Israel.

However let me make it clear that I do not support either side. I say let them kill each other then we'll figure out what to do with the ashes.

Well- thank you sweetheart!!!- I wish you to have many wonderfull Israeli friends - and find many good Jewish people to love you and fill you life with happiness- just like I do

so that you start f**ing caring!

Yes, but couldn't it have been created somewhere else? Like possibly a part of Germany or something?

From what I understand, no, because the religious ties of the Israeli community are to that specific land. Or so it has been explained to me!

and muslims don't have religious ties to that specific area?

I can certainly understand that they have ties to that area however it was not Palestine's duty to give up that land. I can definately understand their anger towards Israel.

However let me make it clear that I do not support either side. I say let them kill each other then we'll figure out what to do with the ashes.

Well- thank you sweetheart!!!- I wish you to have many wonderfull Israeli friends - and find many good Jewish people to love you and fill you life with happiness- just like I do

so that you start f**ing caring!

[almaty 19]

wow, you need to either quit drinking..drugging or seek immediate psych care..you are a trip...lol

[Dianna_and_Adam 0]

Israel does have the right to exist, but not at the expense of the Palestinian people, who have suffered far too long at the hands of the Zionist occupiers of THEIR land.....

maybe the current crisis will bring in Iran and Syria to the conflict, then lets see how the Israelis tackle them?

Israel has been getting away with muderous and terrorist activities for way too long now...

I am sorry no offence but-

ARE YOU INSANE???

ARE PALASTINIAN YOURSELF?

PEOPLE WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU????????

I AM A PROUD COMBAT UNIT ISRAELI SOLDIER!!- I LOVE MY COUNTRY AND MY PEOPLE!

I LOST SO MANY DEAR FRIENDS TO MY HEART TO THE PALASTINIAN TERRORISTS!!!

IT HURTS SO MUCH TO SEE THE IGNORANCE OF PEOPLE IN THIS CHAIN!!!

YOU THINK YOU'RE COOL AND POLITICALLY CORRECT BY SAYING THE STUFF YOU SAY?- YOU ARE COWARDS BY WRITING STUFF LIKE THAT!!!

YOU ARE AFRAID TO SEE THE TRUTH- ISRAEL HAS NEVER HURT ANYONE- AND THAT'S WHY NEITHER EUROPE OR THE US FEELS FEAR OF BASHING IT ON TV AND NEWS!

BUT EVERYONE ARE AFRAID OF THE ARABIC COUNTRIES SO NO ONE SHOWS YOU THE REAL TRUTH!!!!

FINE- BE HAPPY IN YOUR COWARDLINESS.....BLOCK MY MESSAGE AND KEEP ON LIVING IN YOUR - LONG DEAD "PACIFISTIC" (OR SO YOU'D LIKE TO THINK) OPINION.

WE'LL SEE WHAT WILL BE YOUR OPINION WHEN THE ISLAM TAKES OVER !- WE'LL SEE HOW YOU'D LIKE TO RAISE YOUR KIDS IN A WORLD WHERE TERRORISTS ARE CONSIDERED TO BE SAINTS AND INNOCENT WESTERN CIVILISED CIVILIANS ARE BEING PUT UP TO TRIAL AS MURDERERS FOR DEFENDING THEMSELVES!!!

MY BLOOD PRESSURE WITH THIS POST WENT WAY ABOVE THE HUMAN ABILITIES!

HAVE FUN- AS LONG AS YOU CAN WITH YOUR ILLUSIONS ABOUT THE PALASTINIAN "LAMBS"!

[Dianna_and_Adam 0]

I voted yes because there's nothing we can do to change history. I believe Israel should exist in a different form (I prefer a secular one-state solution in which Arabs, Jews, and Christians have the same rights, etc.), but given the lack of restraint on both sides that is not going to happen any time soon. It might be a good idea if the Western nations stopped supporting Israel and the Arab League stopped taking the side of Palestinians because part of the problem is that the international community makes things much worse.

As to the historical situation, blame Zionism if you wish. As nationalisms rose in the 19th century and gave birth to previously non-existent identities (think Germany, Hungary, Mexico, and so on), some people of Jewish descent decided they had the same aspirations and started a movement to reclaim the ancient homeland. Of course, Jews had always lived in the area, but now people actually migrated to "Israel." The idea of a Jewish state was already discussed after WWI when the allies considered giving the territory to Zionist. Interestingly, until the crucial point in 1948 when Israel was founded, Jews and Arabs were living peacefully side by side.

YOU ARE BY FAR THE MOST EDUCATED PERSON THAT WROTE ANYTHING HERE!

IT IS TRUE!- I DO BELIEVE JEWS AND ARABS WOULD KEEP ON LIVING PEACEFULLY TO THIS VERY DAY IF THE ARABIC NATIONS DID NOT START ISRAELS "6 DAY WAR" RIGHT AFTER THE INDEPENDENCE DECLARATION OF ISRAEL, SINCE THE PEOPLE WHO SUFFER THE MOST ARE THE ISRAELIS AND THE ARABS IN ISRAEL!!!

YOU HAVEN'T GOT THE SLIGHTEST CLUE HOW DEVASTATING IT IS TO THE PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES!!!!

AND WE HAVE REACHED A POINT WHERE COMPROMISE IS ALMOST CERTAINLY AN UNREAL FUTURE!

[Dianna_and_Adam 0]

Personally, I feel like the British specifically and the western world in general has a lot to answer for in regards to the messed up state of a lot of regions (Israel, Africa, etc etc) in the world today. Their earlier imperialism destroyed traditional cultures around the world and both tied different ethnic groups together and tore apart other ones. Then after WWI and even more so after having not helped stop the Holocaust, they felt guilty and they, or in some cases the UN, decided they had to stop the imperialism and just gave the land to those they felt most sorry to, which of course just made a bad situation worse in a lot of areas.

Besides that, the reason the Jews were 'given' Israel was that both the Europeans and the Americans at the time wanted nothing to do with them but also didn't want their poor state of affairs on their conscious.

AND another point to add on this whole situation, Israel was attacked by several Arab states almost immediately upon being created and Israel won the wars despite being such a new nation. People say they have taken land that wasn't theirs, but they won wars and then claimed land. Is that not how civilizations form and grow? Is that any different then how America was formed? Not really except that it happened way later in history. You look at Europe and its borders, how did they get there? Wars were fought and territory traded hands.

Just wanted to add that I mean no disrespect to anyone with different opinions or from any ethnic or religious group. I don't know how things could have been done differently to avoid problems. Various groups have claims to the same lands in several different parts of the world, and generally, I find that listening to each group, they all make sense and have valid points, who is to say which side is more right? so then what do you do? Whoever gets to the land and wins battles will get to claim it, and then there will be fights over it and debates, but the fighting will continue as long as each side feels they are entitled and that compromise is impossible.

Well said!!

I respect the way you put things down and for your talent to restrain yourself more then me.....=]

I wish I could reply to this forum so well,

unfortunately I live in the middle of this mess so it hurts my soul too much to be restrained....

thank you for writing this down in a more settled way

[Ta Ta 1]

a strong yes !