"45 million Uninsured in America"

[sly_wolf 199]

How many million(s) does it take?

Thats a good question!@

How many millions have to be against this legislation before those for it...... will drop it?

Millions of people do not want to be forced to pay for insurance their whole life ...if they want it or not.

You call that Freedom?

In my country, we take care of our own (or we should) - and just because a few misguided people and a bunch of loud mouths object, should not deter us (as a nation).

Agreed. The attitude in much of modern society today is " its all for and about me ..... screw everyone else"

[HAL 9000 96]

How many million(s) does it take?

Thats a good question!@

How many millions have to be against this legislation before those for it...... will drop it?

Millions of people do not want to be forced to pay for insurance their whole life ...if they want it or not.

You call that Freedom?

Millions of people are paying it now whether they like it or not through the gov't sponsored free care and bad debt funds.

So what add to the problem?

Work with me here, if we are going to be paying to insure all of the uninsured, we won't therefore have to pay for the uncompensated care pool, since they will now be compensated. It's basically the same either way give or take a few billion dollars.

Dont let Obama fool you, we will pay a significant amount more if he gets his way.

* evil soap opera tone required here *

[Mr. Big Dog 10,747]

I just heard a recent estimate that we have 4 million uninsured here in Florida alone so yes, I believe it.

You said Fla. right?

Were Illegals included in that?

For the umpteenth time -

IF UNDOCUMENTED INDIVIDUALS ARE ABLE TO RECEIVE HEALTHCARE BENEFITS, THAT IS BECAUSE THE LEGISLATORS IN YOUR STATE HAVE NOT PASSED A LAW IN YOUR STATE MANDATING PROOF OF RESIDENCY IN ORDER TO OBTAIN MEDICAID IN YOUR STATE.

SO TAKE IT UP WITH YOUR STATE LEGISLATORS AND NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

That would the be the GOP here in sunny FL.

[PlatyPius 5]

Once again, it's the people who already have insurance who don't want national healthcare. Let them lose their job, though, and they'd be the first one asking where their health care is. Me, I've only had health insurance twice in my life. Most of the people I know don't have health insurance. I'd gladly pay more in taxes to have health insurance. I'd be even more glad to if I could stop paying for Iraqi health care at the same time.

From the (admittedly left-wing) Huffington Post (it's true, though):

You'd better sit down, folks.

Article 31 of the Iraqi Constitution, drafted by your right-wing Bushies in 2005 and ratified by the Iraqi people, includes state-guaranteed (single payer) healthcare for life for every Iraqi citizen.

Article 31 reads:

"First: Every citizen has the right to health care. The State shall maintain public health and provide the means of prevention and treatment by building different types of hospitals and health institutions.

Second: Individuals and entities have the right to build hospitals, clinics,or private health care centers under the supervision of the State, and this shall be regulated by law."

There are other health care guarantees, including special provisions for children, the elderly, and the handicapped elsewhere in the 43-page document.

Under force of arms, President Bush imposed his particular idea of democracy on a people not asking for it - perhaps a noble undertaking in one context and a criminal violation of international law in another. Bush's followers are proud of the Iraqi Constitution, a model for the world, they told us.

So, according to the American political right-wing, government-guaranteed health care is good for Iraqis, but not good for us. Not good for you. They decry even a limited public option for you, but gleefully imposed upon the Iraqis what they label here as "socialism," with much Democratic Party member support.

Indeed, reading the Iraqi Constitution so near to the 8th anniversary of September 11, 2001 is instructive. It is the very definition of American right-wing hypocrisy.

We have (thus far) sacrificed more blood to wrest Iraq from tyranny than we lost on 9/11. In addition, according to the Congressional Research Service, as of May 15, 2009 (Report 7-5700/RL33110) we have spent and/or authorized $864 Billion in military operations on Operation Enduring Freedom, which includes Iraq and Afghanistan. The overwhelming majority of those funds have been for the war in Iraq. Additional secret funding has been authorized for intelligence and special operations.

The total is more than (or, in the worst case, equal to) the funding required to guarantee minimally decent health care here.

In other words, the most senior members of the Republican establishment - and some Democrats like Max Baucus (D-MT) - have gladly spent more taxpayer funds to ensure health care as a Constitutional right in Iraq than they are willing to spend to give you any level of guaranteed coverage.

The source document I used is from the official United Nations Assistance Mission for Iraq. If you'd like to download and review the full Iraqi Constitution, click HERE

This news is an example of the benefit of our online viral information age. The situation was first called to my attention late yesterday (September 8) by a long-term blogger, Korkie Moore-Bruno, on a think tank list of Obama supporters. Korkie posted an alert from her Facebook friend Jubal Harshaw. Give them credit for the heads-up; all I've done was verify the rumor with the United Nations.

It would seem that U. S. citizens might find out if their Representative and/or Senators have supported or voted to fund the war in Iraq. If so, do they support health care as a civil right for you?

If the answers to those questions are "yes" and "no," respectively, you might consider less hypocritical representation.

[doodlebugg 10]

Once again, it's the people who already have insurance who don't want national healthcare. Let them lose their job, though, and they'd be the first one asking where their health care is. Me, I've only had health insurance twice in my life. Most of the people I know don't have health insurance. I'd gladly pay more in taxes to have health insurance. I'd be even more glad to if I could stop paying for Iraqi health care at the same time.

whoa there. I have always had health insurance and I'm pro national healthcare. Actually I don't even pay one penny for my health insurance today and it's a very good plan. Why am I pro national healthcare? Because I've read the cases of so many without health insurance come into the ER with physical conditions that could have easily been prevented by an annual physical which they would have had if they had health insurance. It's sad that they have to suffer to the point where they can't take the pain or whatever anymore and have to go to the ER. Just normal human empathy for another human being if you ask me.

[ready4ONE 5,400]

I just heard a recent estimate that we have 4 million uninsured here in Florida alone so yes, I believe it.

You said Fla. right?

Were Illegals included in that?

Edited September 19, 2009 by ready4ONE

[ready4ONE 5,400]

I just heard a recent estimate that we have 4 million uninsured here in Florida alone so yes, I believe it.

You said Fla. right?

Were Illegals included in that?

There we go...

[_Simpson_ 250]

How many million(s) does it take?

Thats a good question!@

How many millions have to be against this legislation before those for it...... will drop it?

Millions of people do not want to be forced to pay for insurance their whole life ...if they want it or not.

You call that Freedom?

Millions of people are paying it now whether they like it or not through the gov't sponsored free care and bad debt funds.

So what add to the problem?

Work with me here, if we are going to be paying to insure all of the uninsured, we won't therefore have to pay for the uncompensated care pool, since they will now be compensated. It's basically the same either way give or take a few billion dollars.

Dont let Obama fool you, we will pay a significant amount more if he gets his way.

* evil soap opera tone required here *

no no no, what is required here is a good dose of common sense from your local private health care provider.

[dalegg 143]

What sort of work does this young Chinese girl do where she is making $2300 a month that isn't taxed that can vary as much as $1000 a month sometimes?

[PlatyPius 5]

Once again, it's the people who already have insurance who don't want national healthcare. Let them lose their job, though, and they'd be the first one asking where their health care is. Me, I've only had health insurance twice in my life. Most of the people I know don't have health insurance. I'd gladly pay more in taxes to have health insurance. I'd be even more glad to if I could stop paying for Iraqi health care at the same time.

whoa there. I have always had health insurance and I'm pro national healthcare. Actually I don't even pay one penny for my health insurance today and it's a very good plan. Why am I pro national healthcare? Because I've read the cases of so many without health insurance come into the ER with physical conditions that could have easily been prevented by an annual physical which they would have had if they had health insurance. It's sad that they have to suffer to the point where they can't take the pain or whatever anymore and have to go to the ER. Just normal human empathy for another human being if you ask me.

I mean that the people who oppose national healthcare, already have healthcare. Not that people with healthcare oppose national healthcare. A subtle, but important, difference.

[rebeccajo 14]

Once again, it's the people who already have insurance who don't want national healthcare. Let them lose their job, though, and they'd be the first one asking where their health care is. Me, I've only had health insurance twice in my life. Most of the people I know don't have health insurance. I'd gladly pay more in taxes to have health insurance. I'd be even more glad to if I could stop paying for Iraqi health care at the same time.

From the (admittedly left-wing) Huffington Post (it's true, though):

You'd better sit down, folks.

Article 31 of the Iraqi Constitution, drafted by your right-wing Bushies in 2005 and ratified by the Iraqi people, includes state-guaranteed (single payer) healthcare for life for every Iraqi citizen.

Article 31 reads:

"First: Every citizen has the right to health care. The State shall maintain public health and provide the means of prevention and treatment by building different types of hospitals and health institutions.

Second: Individuals and entities have the right to build hospitals, clinics,or private health care centers under the supervision of the State, and this shall be regulated by law."

There are other health care guarantees, including special provisions for children, the elderly, and the handicapped elsewhere in the 43-page document.

Under force of arms, President Bush imposed his particular idea of democracy on a people not asking for it - perhaps a noble undertaking in one context and a criminal violation of international law in another. Bush's followers are proud of the Iraqi Constitution, a model for the world, they told us.

So, according to the American political right-wing, government-guaranteed health care is good for Iraqis, but not good for us. Not good for you. They decry even a limited public option for you, but gleefully imposed upon the Iraqis what they label here as "socialism," with much Democratic Party member support.

Indeed, reading the Iraqi Constitution so near to the 8th anniversary of September 11, 2001 is instructive. It is the very definition of American right-wing hypocrisy.

We have (thus far) sacrificed more blood to wrest Iraq from tyranny than we lost on 9/11. In addition, according to the Congressional Research Service, as of May 15, 2009 (Report 7-5700/RL33110) we have spent and/or authorized $864 Billion in military operations on Operation Enduring Freedom, which includes Iraq and Afghanistan. The overwhelming majority of those funds have been for the war in Iraq. Additional secret funding has been authorized for intelligence and special operations.

The total is more than (or, in the worst case, equal to) the funding required to guarantee minimally decent health care here.

In other words, the most senior members of the Republican establishment - and some Democrats like Max Baucus (D-MT) - have gladly spent more taxpayer funds to ensure health care as a Constitutional right in Iraq than they are willing to spend to give you any level of guaranteed coverage.

The source document I used is from the official United Nations Assistance Mission for Iraq. If you'd like to download and review the full Iraqi Constitution, click HERE

This news is an example of the benefit of our online viral information age. The situation was first called to my attention late yesterday (September 8) by a long-term blogger, Korkie Moore-Bruno, on a think tank list of Obama supporters. Korkie posted an alert from her Facebook friend Jubal Harshaw. Give them credit for the heads-up; all I've done was verify the rumor with the United Nations.

It would seem that U. S. citizens might find out if their Representative and/or Senators have supported or voted to fund the war in Iraq. If so, do they support health care as a civil right for you?

If the answers to those questions are "yes" and "no," respectively, you might consider less hypocritical representation.

Well, there ya go.

[PlatyPius 5]

Once again, it's the people who already have insurance who don't want national healthcare. Let them lose their job, though, and they'd be the first one asking where their health care is. Me, I've only had health insurance twice in my life. Most of the people I know don't have health insurance. I'd gladly pay more in taxes to have health insurance. I'd be even more glad to if I could stop paying for Iraqi health care at the same time.

From the (admittedly left-wing) Huffington Post (it's true, though):

You'd better sit down, folks.

Article 31 of the Iraqi Constitution, drafted by your right-wing Bushies in 2005 and ratified by the Iraqi people, includes state-guaranteed (single payer) healthcare for life for every Iraqi citizen.

Article 31 reads:

"First: Every citizen has the right to health care. The State shall maintain public health and provide the means of prevention and treatment by building different types of hospitals and health institutions.

Second: Individuals and entities have the right to build hospitals, clinics,or private health care centers under the supervision of the State, and this shall be regulated by law."

There are other health care guarantees, including special provisions for children, the elderly, and the handicapped elsewhere in the 43-page document.

Under force of arms, President Bush imposed his particular idea of democracy on a people not asking for it - perhaps a noble undertaking in one context and a criminal violation of international law in another. Bush's followers are proud of the Iraqi Constitution, a model for the world, they told us.

So, according to the American political right-wing, government-guaranteed health care is good for Iraqis, but not good for us. Not good for you. They decry even a limited public option for you, but gleefully imposed upon the Iraqis what they label here as "socialism," with much Democratic Party member support.

Indeed, reading the Iraqi Constitution so near to the 8th anniversary of September 11, 2001 is instructive. It is the very definition of American right-wing hypocrisy.

We have (thus far) sacrificed more blood to wrest Iraq from tyranny than we lost on 9/11. In addition, according to the Congressional Research Service, as of May 15, 2009 (Report 7-5700/RL33110) we have spent and/or authorized $864 Billion in military operations on Operation Enduring Freedom, which includes Iraq and Afghanistan. The overwhelming majority of those funds have been for the war in Iraq. Additional secret funding has been authorized for intelligence and special operations.

The total is more than (or, in the worst case, equal to) the funding required to guarantee minimally decent health care here.

In other words, the most senior members of the Republican establishment - and some Democrats like Max Baucus (D-MT) - have gladly spent more taxpayer funds to ensure health care as a Constitutional right in Iraq than they are willing to spend to give you any level of guaranteed coverage.

The source document I used is from the official United Nations Assistance Mission for Iraq. If you'd like to download and review the full Iraqi Constitution, click HERE

This news is an example of the benefit of our online viral information age. The situation was first called to my attention late yesterday (September 8) by a long-term blogger, Korkie Moore-Bruno, on a think tank list of Obama supporters. Korkie posted an alert from her Facebook friend Jubal Harshaw. Give them credit for the heads-up; all I've done was verify the rumor with the United Nations.

It would seem that U. S. citizens might find out if their Representative and/or Senators have supported or voted to fund the war in Iraq. If so, do they support health care as a civil right for you?

If the answers to those questions are "yes" and "no," respectively, you might consider less hypocritical representation.

Well, there ya go.

It was also one of the requirements we forced upon Japan after WW2....that they have national healthcare. Why is it mandatory for Iraq and Japan to have healthcare for their citizens but not for the US?

Edited September 19, 2009 by PlatyPius

[dalegg 143]

What side of the debate is this video coming in on by the way? I can't tell. You had this chick at the beginning talking about how she has been hit by a car but doesn't know how much the bill cost cuz she didn't bother to pay it!

I say charge her damn azz at least a hundred bucks a month for reimbursement!! Teach them young voters a lesson.

[dalegg 143]

Once again, it's the people who already have insurance who don't want national healthcare. Let them lose their job, though, and they'd be the first one asking where their health care is. Me, I've only had health insurance twice in my life. Most of the people I know don't have health insurance. I'd gladly pay more in taxes to have health insurance. I'd be even more glad to if I could stop paying for Iraqi health care at the same time.

whoa there. I have always had health insurance and I'm pro national healthcare. Actually I don't even pay one penny for my health insurance today and it's a very good plan. Why am I pro national healthcare? Because I've read the cases of so many without health insurance come into the ER with physical conditions that could have easily been prevented by an annual physical which they would have had if they had health insurance. It's sad that they have to suffer to the point where they can't take the pain or whatever anymore and have to go to the ER. Just normal human empathy for another human being if you ask me.

I mean that the people who oppose national healthcare, already have healthcare. Not that people with healthcare oppose national healthcare. A subtle, but important, difference.

Not all. I think what you're seeing in that video in that respect is true. A lot of young people without healthcare don't want national healthcare if they have to pay for it. I'm presuming that they are going to have to pay for national healthcare in some way, but the guy showed where you could get a policy for $100 a month and she was still opposed to it. If you're talking FREE well, okay you're probably right, but I don't think its going to be just free to everyone who doesn't have coverage.

[rebeccajo 14]

It was also one of the requirements we forced upon Japan after WW2....that they have national healthcare. Why is it mandatory for Iraq and Japan to have healthcare for their citizens but not for the US?

Because we have a superior gene pool?