Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

[tmma 467]

Well, gee maybe as a 'swabbies daughter' ( your words) you would understand alittle more of what is asked of military personnel and the toll it takes.

RJ-I could say well, gee maybe you should get a 'regular' job where 'people aren't crying in the hallways or teenagers arn't hanging themselves on vending machines or you have to line up the furniture to avoid being boxed in by the mentally ill'....

--I for one will say that EVERY military member active, retired or whatever has paid for and earned what they receive after duty; and no one should be made to feel like they are getting more than they deserve or that it is somehow a handout to be begrudged and envied. Go to the VA Hospital-envy those veterans 'availing themselves' of VA care or Tricare in the circumstances of no VA hospital.

You don't have to be gung ho about the military to acknowledge the sacrifices made by those folks. Do people that have not been in the Military get Military Tricare...No. Is that fair? YES! It's a commitment this country has made to it's servicemen and women and it's a promise they will follow through on. They created the military healthcare system for vets precisely for that. However; they are eroding away at it bit by bit.

I was told "Thank you from a grateful nation ' whilst I received my flag and letter from the prez while in hospital no less.....But after the photo op was over and after people were cheering for me it would seem that some underneath the 'support' for the military and it's vets 'begrudge' or envy what vets get.

I say to those people that believe they should get what vets get ( 'availed' to military doctors)---go do what the vets have done.

Please don't use patriotism, flag waving, or your pride in having served your country as some sort of "defense" into this discussion. There's absolutely no need to do that because there is no attack on my part on any of those things.

You, Charles and others have served this nation in the military and there are certain perks you have been granted because of that. Did I not say earlier I have no problem with that?

Now to having chosen a different path and "gotten a regular job" like the rest of us - had you done that you would be in the same situation as the rest of us working stiffs. You would be beholden to your an employer for whatever health care plan they select for you. You would have to take health care into account if you wanted to leave a job. You would have to worry about health insurance should you be unemployed.

There's no point in sitting here and discussing whether or not you 'deserve' your Tri-Care coverage because that's not what got me into this discussion in the first place. It is annoying to me though to see someone have this coverage and constantly complain about it. IMO it is better than what people in my situation have - which is nothing. But then I guess Americans (civilian or otherwise) are like that - they like to complain and they like to grumble and they like to forget about their blessings, earned or otherwise.

I wasn't using 'flag waving patriotism'.

Now, I see in the crystal ball of 'what if's ' differently than you do concerning my career choices. But I will spit ball along the 'what if' highway ( which I don't often do because I have no regrets).....

If I had chosen a different career path and ' gotten a regular job' like the rest of you ( your words)--I am thinking I would NOT be in the position as you working stiffs ( your words).. My crystal ball says that seeing as my health would be better and I have no injuries to deal with nor meds to take and constant appointments-I could work my full shift as lead meteorologist ( pays very well)--my life insurance would actually be affordable, I could get disability and death insurance on car loans, etc and of course providing healthcare for my family would be a priority when considering a change of jobs...That I would consider and take care of. Just like the car insurance is a factor when changing cars.

It's really something else when vets like Charles get asked 'how much you pay..huh...huh?' A simple search would have answered that question...but it gets used as somehow a bolster for some arguement that he should shut up because he has healthcare. He and anyone is allowed to comment on what care they receive.

Why hasn't anyone approached your employer and told him the package he is offering is ####### & not affordable...... That's really something considering it's in the healthcare industry. That would actually make me more angry than a vet complaining about the lack of due diligence in his care from the Military.

But then, I understand perspectives here are totally different.

We all make choices that lead us to where we are... no?

[Joseph & Ana 0]

I have to say Joe, that as far as anyone expressing contempt or emotionally loaded language - you seem to be a front runner..

You're absolutely right. I have contempt for the constitution burning left.

[HAL 9000 96]

Whining ® has been detected in this thread.

[tmma 467]

Whining ® has been detected in this thread.

Me? No whining here. At all.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Whining ® has been detected in this thread.

And vomiting and regurgitation has just shown up. Do i hear an echo?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

I have to say Joe, that as far as anyone expressing contempt or emotionally loaded language - you seem to be a front runner..

You're absolutely right. I have contempt for the constitution burning left.

The collective left are your Emmanuel Goldstein aren't they.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

I have to say Joe, that as far as anyone expressing contempt or emotionally loaded language - you seem to be a front runner..

You're absolutely right. I have contempt for the constitution burning left.

The collective left are your Emmanuel Goldstein aren't they.

I'm glad you admit they are collective. Its all about collectivism and communes isn't it?

[HAL 9000 96]

Whining ® has been detected in this thread.

Me? No whining here. At all.

Absolutely not.

Please check the troubleshooting guide for crybabies- Joe the Plumber's manual for thread posting.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Whining ® has been detected in this thread.

Me? No whining here. At all.

Absolutely not.

Please check the troubleshooting guide for crybabies- Joe the Plumber's manual for thread posting.

I take that as a compliment.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Well its abundantly clear that you won't read any further than your own preconceptions.

You might as well post a sign on your forehead that the brain has gone out to lunch, but to beware of Dragons.

[HAL 9000 96]

Run with it then.

Say it ain't so!!

[Peikko 1,575]

In before the lock I think

[rebeccajo 14]

Well, gee maybe as a 'swabbies daughter' ( your words) you would understand alittle more of what is asked of military personnel and the toll it takes.

RJ-I could say well, gee maybe you should get a 'regular' job where 'people aren't crying in the hallways or teenagers arn't hanging themselves on vending machines or you have to line up the furniture to avoid being boxed in by the mentally ill'....

--I for one will say that EVERY military member active, retired or whatever has paid for and earned what they receive after duty; and no one should be made to feel like they are getting more than they deserve or that it is somehow a handout to be begrudged and envied. Go to the VA Hospital-envy those veterans 'availing themselves' of VA care or Tricare in the circumstances of no VA hospital.

You don't have to be gung ho about the military to acknowledge the sacrifices made by those folks. Do people that have not been in the Military get Military Tricare...No. Is that fair? YES! It's a commitment this country has made to it's servicemen and women and it's a promise they will follow through on. They created the military healthcare system for vets precisely for that. However; they are eroding away at it bit by bit.

I was told "Thank you from a grateful nation ' whilst I received my flag and letter from the prez while in hospital no less.....But after the photo op was over and after people were cheering for me it would seem that some underneath the 'support' for the military and it's vets 'begrudge' or envy what vets get.

I say to those people that believe they should get what vets get ( 'availed' to military doctors)---go do what the vets have done.

Please don't use patriotism, flag waving, or your pride in having served your country as some sort of "defense" into this discussion. There's absolutely no need to do that because there is no attack on my part on any of those things.

You, Charles and others have served this nation in the military and there are certain perks you have been granted because of that. Did I not say earlier I have no problem with that?

Now to having chosen a different path and "gotten a regular job" like the rest of us - had you done that you would be in the same situation as the rest of us working stiffs. You would be beholden to your an employer for whatever health care plan they select for you. You would have to take health care into account if you wanted to leave a job. You would have to worry about health insurance should you be unemployed.

There's no point in sitting here and discussing whether or not you 'deserve' your Tri-Care coverage because that's not what got me into this discussion in the first place. It is annoying to me though to see someone have this coverage and constantly complain about it. IMO it is better than what people in my situation have - which is nothing. But then I guess Americans (civilian or otherwise) are like that - they like to complain and they like to grumble and they like to forget about their blessings, earned or otherwise.

I wasn't using 'flag waving patriotism'.

Now, I see in the crystal ball of 'what if's ' differently than you do concerning my career choices. But I will spit ball along the 'what if' highway ( which I don't often do because I have no regrets).....

If I had chosen a different career path and ' gotten a regular job' like the rest of you ( your words)--I am thinking I would NOT be in the position as you working stiffs ( your words).. My crystal ball says that seeing as my health would be better and I have no injuries to deal with nor meds to take and constant appointments-I could work my full shift as lead meteorologist ( pays very well)--my life insurance would actually be affordable, I could get disability and death insurance on car loans, etc and of course providing healthcare for my family would be a priority when considering a change of jobs...That I would consider and take care of. Just like the car insurance is a factor when changing cars.

It's really something else when vets like Charles get asked 'how much you pay..huh...huh?' A simple search would have answered that question...but it gets used as somehow a bolster for some arguement that he should shut up because he has healthcare. He and anyone is allowed to comment on what care they receive.

Why hasn't anyone approached your employer and told him the package he is offering is ####### & not affordable...... That's really something considering it's in the healthcare industry. That would actually make me more angry than a vet complaining about the lack of due diligence in his care from the Military.

But then, I understand perspectives here are totally different.

We all make choices that lead us to where we are... no?

Indeed we do.

And perspectives are totally different.

Here's my perspective. My perspective is that if your life circumstances are such that you have a blessing you are grateful for that blessing. Being 'grateful' does not include acting as if what you have is something nobody else could possibly want, need or be willing to pay a reasonable price for.

I asked Charles what he pays for Tri-Care. There's nothing wrong with that. I'm assuming it's a lot less than civilians pay for healthcare and there's nothing wrong with that. If they raise the cost of Tri-Care, is it still going to be less than what civilians pay in the marketplace? We can't know the answer to that because the questions are evaded. I get the impression it's beyond the military realm of thinking that if your Tri-Care costs are raised it might be MORE indicative of the systemic problem nationwide with healthcare than it is Uncle Sam is screwing you over.

Let's put it this way - if the government started giving free cars to retired service persons, would you immediately start assuming you are more entitled to a car than the rest of us? Let's say cars were starting to be beyond the reach of many people. Would you tell people that even though they have worked all their lives, paid taxes, and been genuinely responsible, but failed to serve in the military, that they shouldn't want or need a car? Would you drive your car around and idly tell someone that if they want one, they should go sign up for 20 years?

There are lots of ways to be responsible and lots of ways to earn what we need, Michelle. Military service isn't the only way.

End of story. You want to make more of it - go have at it.

[Joseph & Ana 0]

Well, gee maybe as a 'swabbies daughter' ( your words) you would understand alittle more of what is asked of military personnel and the toll it takes.

RJ-I could say well, gee maybe you should get a 'regular' job where 'people aren't crying in the hallways or teenagers arn't hanging themselves on vending machines or you have to line up the furniture to avoid being boxed in by the mentally ill'....

--I for one will say that EVERY military member active, retired or whatever has paid for and earned what they receive after duty; and no one should be made to feel like they are getting more than they deserve or that it is somehow a handout to be begrudged and envied. Go to the VA Hospital-envy those veterans 'availing themselves' of VA care or Tricare in the circumstances of no VA hospital.

You don't have to be gung ho about the military to acknowledge the sacrifices made by those folks. Do people that have not been in the Military get Military Tricare...No. Is that fair? YES! It's a commitment this country has made to it's servicemen and women and it's a promise they will follow through on. They created the military healthcare system for vets precisely for that. However; they are eroding away at it bit by bit.

I was told "Thank you from a grateful nation ' whilst I received my flag and letter from the prez while in hospital no less.....But after the photo op was over and after people were cheering for me it would seem that some underneath the 'support' for the military and it's vets 'begrudge' or envy what vets get.

I say to those people that believe they should get what vets get ( 'availed' to military doctors)---go do what the vets have done.

Please don't use patriotism, flag waving, or your pride in having served your country as some sort of "defense" into this discussion. There's absolutely no need to do that because there is no attack on my part on any of those things.

You, Charles and others have served this nation in the military and there are certain perks you have been granted because of that. Did I not say earlier I have no problem with that?

Now to having chosen a different path and "gotten a regular job" like the rest of us - had you done that you would be in the same situation as the rest of us working stiffs. You would be beholden to your an employer for whatever health care plan they select for you. You would have to take health care into account if you wanted to leave a job. You would have to worry about health insurance should you be unemployed.

There's no point in sitting here and discussing whether or not you 'deserve' your Tri-Care coverage because that's not what got me into this discussion in the first place. It is annoying to me though to see someone have this coverage and constantly complain about it. IMO it is better than what people in my situation have - which is nothing. But then I guess Americans (civilian or otherwise) are like that - they like to complain and they like to grumble and they like to forget about their blessings, earned or otherwise.

I wasn't using 'flag waving patriotism'.

Now, I see in the crystal ball of 'what if's ' differently than you do concerning my career choices. But I will spit ball along the 'what if' highway ( which I don't often do because I have no regrets).....

If I had chosen a different career path and ' gotten a regular job' like the rest of you ( your words)--I am thinking I would NOT be in the position as you working stiffs ( your words).. My crystal ball says that seeing as my health would be better and I have no injuries to deal with nor meds to take and constant appointments-I could work my full shift as lead meteorologist ( pays very well)--my life insurance would actually be affordable, I could get disability and death insurance on car loans, etc and of course providing healthcare for my family would be a priority when considering a change of jobs...That I would consider and take care of. Just like the car insurance is a factor when changing cars.

It's really something else when vets like Charles get asked 'how much you pay..huh...huh?' A simple search would have answered that question...but it gets used as somehow a bolster for some arguement that he should shut up because he has healthcare. He and anyone is allowed to comment on what care they receive.

Why hasn't anyone approached your employer and told him the package he is offering is ####### & not affordable...... That's really something considering it's in the healthcare industry. That would actually make me more angry than a vet complaining about the lack of due diligence in his care from the Military.

But then, I understand perspectives here are totally different.

We all make choices that lead us to where we are... no?

Indeed we do.

And perspectives are totally different.

Here's my perspective. My perspective is that if your life circumstances are such that you have a blessing you are grateful for that blessing. Being 'grateful' does not include acting as if what you have is something nobody else could possibly want, need or be willing to pay a reasonable price for.

I asked Charles what he pays for Tri-Care. There's nothing wrong with that. I'm assuming it's a lot less than civilians pay for healthcare and there's nothing wrong with that. If they raise the cost of Tri-Care, is it still going to be less than what civilians pay in the marketplace? We can't know the answer to that because the questions are evaded. I get the impression it's beyond the military realm of thinking that if your Tri-Care costs are raised it might be MORE indicative of the systemic problem nationwide with healthcare than it is Uncle Sam is screwing you over.

Let's put it this way - if the government started giving free cars to retired service persons, would you immediately start assuming you are more entitled to a car than the rest of us? Let's say cars were starting to be beyond the reach of many people. Would you tell people that even though they have worked all their lives, paid taxes, and been genuinely responsible, but failed to serve in the military, that they shouldn't want or need a car? Would you drive your car around and idly tell someone that if they want one, they should go sign up for 20 years?

There are lots of ways to be responsible and lots of ways to earn what we need, Michelle. Military service isn't the only way.

End of story. You want to make more of it - go have at it.

Its always "he's got more than me wahh wahh wahh!" with you people isn't it?

[rebeccajo 14]

Its always "he's got more than me wahh wahh wahh!" with you people isn't it?

Define 'you people'.