Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

[tmma 467]

P.S-I want to distinguish what I mean by between 'Govt run healthcare' which in my view is kind of like the UK-Govt hospitals, Govt docs/nurses all operating on a projected budget...From Govt provided or mandated or whatever healthcare...Which I view as kind of TriCare. I reread my posts and it looks like I have 2 opposing views on the same subject.. ..I don't.

I'm backing out now.

Tri-Care offers great coverage for a very low cost to the member. Most benefits require no co-pays. Most services are covered at 100%. In short, it is the equivalent of what most Americans USED to have. I just find it really non-sensical for anyone to continually belabor how horrible it is, especially when they know good and well there are others worse off.

for now........until the rates get jacked up 12-14 times what they are.

It's coming.

[rebeccajo 14]

The hazardous workplace I mentioned pays the highest wages in the valley and offers great benefits to keep the unions OUT. So what they have is in direction proportion to union activism. You didn't mis-connect any dots per se, but it would be unfair to give that employer a golden halo for caring about the well being of their workforce. They don't want to deal with a union.

I am always saddened to learn of needless deaths at the hands of any system. I'm sorry to hear about your Mother. I'm sorry to hear about those with similar experiences in the US. All of it is preventable.

I have never understood why it should be the responsibility of the employer to provide health insurance for employees.

From a purely capitalistic standpoint, it makes no sense. It is a drain on resources and the tax advantages it provides are being overridden by the bottom line cost.

People worry about care being dictated by the government. The way I see it, care is now dictated by our employers and the plans they choose for us. As the cost has risen, not only has more of the cost been transferred to the employee, but the type of coverage has changed. Employers 'shop' insurance plans by cost. It is rare that coverage is a factor. They are looking to lower what they pay out and we have to accept whatever they buy for us.

In my city, I am seeing more and more United Healthcare cards. United Healthcare is ranked as one of the worst insurers in the US. Yet more employers in this area are signing up with them. Three guesses (and the first two don't count) as to why that might be.

I only mentioned employer responsibility because you mentioned the hazardous workplace your ex-husband was in. I suppose I connected the dots wrong, it's just i have seen just how bad the Govt can get in the way of healthcare. How underfunded it can get and yes, how care is rationed but the term used is 'budget available the quarter'...... But I understand that my experience is only one among many and alot of folks have had good experiences with Govt run h/c.

that's all-but then my opinion of Govt h/c is maybe skewed because I am still hurting...and I admit that.

Tri-Care offers great coverage for a very low cost to the member. Most benefits require no co-pays. Most services are covered at 100%. In short, it is the equivalent of what most Americans USED to have. I just find it really non-sensical for anyone to continually belabor how horrible it is, especially when they know good and well there are others worse off.

for now........until the rates get jacked up 12-14 times what they are now - and yes, that's currently being discussed in washington.

What do you pay right now for your monthly premium?

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

Tri-Care offers great coverage for a very low cost to the member. Most benefits require no co-pays. Most services are covered at 100%. In short, it is the equivalent of what most Americans USED to have. I just find it really non-sensical for anyone to continually belabor how horrible it is, especially when they know good and well there are others worse off.

for now........until the rates get jacked up 12-14 times what they are.

It's coming.

which will eat about half my post tax retirement check. and for some reason, it will eat all of the sbp payments should i die and nessa continues with tricare.

Tri-Care offers great coverage for a very low cost to the member. Most benefits require no co-pays. Most services are covered at 100%. In short, it is the equivalent of what most Americans USED to have. I just find it really non-sensical for anyone to continually belabor how horrible it is, especially when they know good and well there are others worse off.

for now........until the rates get jacked up 12-14 times what they are now - and yes, that's currently being discussed in washington.

What do you pay right now for your monthly premium?

you already know the answer to that, so what's the point in asking me?

[rebeccajo 14]

If I knew the answer, I would not have asked.

[Ban Hammer 13,334]

If I knew the answer, I would not have asked.

but i thought you knew so much about tricare? even to the point of lecturing me about how great it is, even to the point of disregarding it (military health care) is the only medical coverage i've known for my 47 years of existence.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

If I knew the answer, I would not have asked.

Charles was the dodge ball champion in his 3rd Grade Class.

[rebeccajo 14]

If I knew the answer, I would not have asked.

but i thought you knew so much about tricare? even to the point of lecturing me about how great it is, even to the point of disregarding it (military health care) is the only medical coverage i've known for my 47 years of existence.

I didn't disregard it, did I?

I even offered to trade you mine for it.

But you decided to take a pot shot at me when you know the position I'm in at the moment.

So answer the question.

[tmma 467]

*jumps back in* Sorry. Veteran hot button pressed.

How do you quantify the answer in 'what do you pay for Military TriCare?' . It should be 'What HAVE you PAID for Military TriCare?' IMO-the premium was paid at the end of AD service, with an honorable discharge. But that's me; and Veteran's and defending their entitlements and making sure that the commitment made to them upon enlistment by the nation is followed through with.

IMO-Charles and countless others ( myself included) have paid the premium. Even though I pay $$$ ( it doesn't matter how many dollars-take a look at my scars and tell me how much they are worth.....) for Prime-I don't mind. It's for my son.

That's how I view the whole 'military tricare'.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

*jumps back in* Sorry. Veteran hot button pressed.

How do you quantify the answer in 'what do you pay for Military TriCare?' . It should be 'What HAVE you PAID for Military TriCare?' IMO-the premium was paid at the end of AD service, with an honorable discharge. But that's me; and Veteran's and defending their entitlements and making sure that the commitment made to them upon enlistment by the nation is followed through with.

IMO-Charles and countless others ( myself included) have paid the premium. Even though I pay $$ ( it doesn't matter how many dollars-take a look at my scars and tell me how much they are worth.....) for Prime-I don't mind. It's for my son.

That's how I view the whole 'military tricare'.

But that's how most people view entitlements - that they've paid into in some form or another. If we have a public option, it will by funded through taxes of some sort, just as Social Security and Medicare are funded. It's just that many opponents of a public option are against the idea that some may get more than what they paid into it....but that's the nature of all insurance.

[rebeccajo 14]

*jumps back in* Sorry. Veteran hot button pressed.

How do you quantify the answer in 'what do you pay for Military TriCare?' . It should be 'What HAVE you PAID for Military TriCare?' IMO-the premium was paid at the end of AD service, with an honorable discharge. But that's me; and Veteran's and defending their entitlements and making sure that the commitment made to them upon enlistment by the nation is followed through with.

IMO-Charles and countless others ( myself included) have paid the premium. Even though I pay $$$ ( it doesn't matter how many dollars-take a look at my scars and tell me how much they are worth.....) for Prime-I don't mind. It's for my son.

That's how I view the whole 'military tricare'.

Asking what a veteran is paying now vs. what he/she might be paying in the event of a future increase is an interesting concept relative to what the rest of us are paying, don't you think?

Your contention is you should be receiving a 'discount' because of past service. I'm not disagreeing with that point.

[tmma 467]

*jumps back in* Sorry. Veteran hot button pressed.

How do you quantify the answer in 'what do you pay for Military TriCare?' . It should be 'What HAVE you PAID for Military TriCare?' IMO-the premium was paid at the end of AD service, with an honorable discharge. But that's me; and Veteran's and defending their entitlements and making sure that the commitment made to them upon enlistment by the nation is followed through with.

IMO-Charles and countless others ( myself included) have paid the premium. Even though I pay $$$ ( it doesn't matter how many dollars-take a look at my scars and tell me how much they are worth.....) for Prime-I don't mind. It's for my son.

That's how I view the whole 'military tricare'.

Asking what a veteran is paying now vs. what he/she might be paying in the event of a future increase is an interesting concept relative to what the rest of us are paying, don't you think?

Your contention is you should be receiving a 'discount' because of past service. I'm not disagreeing with that point.

Ask what you want of course but I said nothing of discounts. All I am saying is that the premium for MILITARY Tricare is expressed as much more than dollars and cents...IMO of course.

[tmma 467]

*jumps back in* Sorry. Veteran hot button pressed.

How do you quantify the answer in 'what do you pay for Military TriCare?' . It should be 'What HAVE you PAID for Military TriCare?' IMO-the premium was paid at the end of AD service, with an honorable discharge. But that's me; and Veteran's and defending their entitlements and making sure that the commitment made to them upon enlistment by the nation is followed through with.

IMO-Charles and countless others ( myself included) have paid the premium. Even though I pay $$ ( it doesn't matter how many dollars-take a look at my scars and tell me how much they are worth.....) for Prime-I don't mind. It's for my son.

That's how I view the whole 'military tricare'.

But that's how most people view entitlements - that they've paid into in some form or another. If we have a public option, it will by funded through taxes of some sort, just as Social Security and Medicare are funded. It's just that many opponents of a public option are against the idea that some may get more than what they paid into it....but that's the nature of all insurance.

I think we are in kind of agreement.... Yes, if you have paid in either in hard cash or commitment to a cause that the promise is made of Tricare- or whatever- at the end is made--then the expectation is that you should be able to claim it. And you should. That's the 'promise' or commitment'.

But what about LPRs ? They haven't paid in...Where will they stand? What about illegals? No hospital is going to turn someone away-but who will pay?

Edited September 17, 2009 by tmma

[rebeccajo 14]

What about heart surgery for a new born baby? They haven't paid in.

[tmma 467]

What about heart surgery for a new born baby? They haven't paid in.

Good question. I don't know.I'll bring that up at the next town hall meeting they rope me in to. Although somehow I don't think I'll be getting the call.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

*jumps back in* Sorry. Veteran hot button pressed.

How do you quantify the answer in 'what do you pay for Military TriCare?' . It should be 'What HAVE you PAID for Military TriCare?' IMO-the premium was paid at the end of AD service, with an honorable discharge. But that's me; and Veteran's and defending their entitlements and making sure that the commitment made to them upon enlistment by the nation is followed through with.

IMO-Charles and countless others ( myself included) have paid the premium. Even though I pay $ ( it doesn't matter how many dollars-take a look at my scars and tell me how much they are worth.....) for Prime-I don't mind. It's for my son.

That's how I view the whole 'military tricare'.

But that's how most people view entitlements - that they've paid into in some form or another. If we have a public option, it will by funded through taxes of some sort, just as Social Security and Medicare are funded. It's just that many opponents of a public option are against the idea that some may get more than what they paid into it....but that's the nature of all insurance.

I think we are in kind of agreement.... Yes, if you have paid in either in hard cash or commitment to a cause that the promise is made of Tricare- or whatever- at the end is made--then the expectation is that you should be able to claim it. And you should. That's the 'promise' or commitment'.

But what about LPRs ? They haven't paid in...Where will they stand? What about illegals? No hospital is going to turn someone away-but who will pay?

I beg your pardon. My wife currently pays federal taxes and contributes to Medicare and Social Security as an LPR. Anyone, including illegals, who are on a company payroll, pay taxes unless they are paid under the table. But for those not paying into the system through payroll - their tab is picked up by you and me either way - through higher premiums or through taxes. The argument then isn't about whether we should pay for them, but which method is cheaper - letting emergency rooms be the place for care or insuring them. Our current system is costing us considerably more.