Jimmy Carter: Wilson comments 'based on racism'

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

There are plenty of dangerous jobs, I don't see why this one qualifies for special treatment any more than the folks who risk their lives working for humanitarian relief charities or working on international development projects in the 3rd world.

Is that what Rebecajco does? Are you really trying to make a argument for what she said, it was ridiculous. Servicing in the military is same, come on.

I have no idea what she does - just pointing out that there any many respectable, deserving and dangerous jobs besides the military.

Military service doesn't give anyone the right to delusions of grandeur.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Rebeccajo,

I'm sorry that you don't have health insurance and understand how you would like to have TriCare, or any other insurance. I actually was not aware you work in health care or your situation.

As far as your "work is work" comment, I have to disagree with you on that. As someone who worked on the flight deck of an aircraft carrier and risked my life 7 days a week, 16 hours a day, for as long as we were out to sea, out there on the front lines keeping this nation safe, maybe I'm a little biased as to whether or not I was "more entitled".

I agree with you, Robert - that military veterans deserve such entitlements for their service to this country. However, that doesn't negate Rebeccajo's argument to those of you who are veterans with TriCare - if government healthcare is something you are against, would you be willing to give up yours? Because, certainly we are paying taxes for such an entitlement and if you truly believe that such government programs don't work, why not be in favor of doing away with it?

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

There are plenty of dangerous jobs, I don't see why this one qualifies for special treatment any more than the folks who risk their lives working for humanitarian relief charities or working on international development projects in the 3rd world.

The difference is the military does it in defense of this nation. People working for humanitarian relief charities can walk away anytime they want.

In order to get people to join the military and put their lives in harms way, health care and insurance are used as incentives, along with others.

If people want those types of benefits, then by all means join the military and serve your country instead of looking for handouts.

Is the military the only way a person can serve their country?

I think you're on thin ice with that one.

As to the BS about wanting "handout" BS, I'll leave it thank you very much - its clicheed garbage

[*Robert* 2]

Rebeccajo,

I'm sorry that you don't have health insurance and understand how you would like to have TriCare, or any other insurance. I actually was not aware you work in health care or your situation.

As far as your "work is work" comment, I have to disagree with you on that. As someone who worked on the flight deck of an aircraft carrier and risked my life 7 days a week, 16 hours a day, for as long as we were out to sea, out there on the front lines keeping this nation safe, maybe I'm a little biased as to whether or not I was "more entitled".

I agree with you, Robert - that military veterans deserve such entitlements for their service to this country. However, that doesn't negate Rebeccajo's argument to those of you who are veterans with TriCare - if government healthcare is something you are against, would you be willing to give up yours? Because, certainly we are paying taxes for such an entitlement and if you truly believe that such government programs don't work, why not be in favor of doing away with it?

Unfortunately, since I did not retire from the US Navy, I am not entitled to TriCare. I have GEHA which I purchase through work as a DoD Civilian. The government couldn't even run the Mustang Ranch in Nevada and make a profit, so I sure as hell don't want them running any health care programs!

[one...two...tree 2,762]

Rebeccajo,

I'm sorry that you don't have health insurance and understand how you would like to have TriCare, or any other insurance. I actually was not aware you work in health care or your situation.

As far as your "work is work" comment, I have to disagree with you on that. As someone who worked on the flight deck of an aircraft carrier and risked my life 7 days a week, 16 hours a day, for as long as we were out to sea, out there on the front lines keeping this nation safe, maybe I'm a little biased as to whether or not I was "more entitled".

I agree with you, Robert - that military veterans deserve such entitlements for their service to this country. However, that doesn't negate Rebeccajo's argument to those of you who are veterans with TriCare - if government healthcare is something you are against, would you be willing to give up yours? Because, certainly we are paying taxes for such an entitlement and if you truly believe that such government programs don't work, why not be in favor of doing away with it?

Unfortunately, since I did not retire from the US Navy, I am not entitled to TriCare. I have GEHA which I purchase through work as a DoD Civilian. The government couldn't even run the Mustang Ranch in Nevada and make a profit, so I sure as hell don't want them running any health care programs!

But your GEHA insurance is partially funded by the government, yes?

[tmma 467]

There are plenty of dangerous jobs, I don't see why this one qualifies for special treatment any more than the folks who risk their lives working for humanitarian relief charities or working on international development projects in the 3rd world.

The difference is the military does it in defense of this nation. People working for humanitarian relief charities can walk away anytime they want.

In order to get people to join the military and put their lives in harms way, health care and insurance are used as incentives, along with others.

If people want those types of benefits, then by all means join the military and serve your country instead of looking for handouts.

Is the military the only way a person can serve their country?

....

I was watching Dad's Army last night....lol.

Anyway, the military is not the only way one can serve one's country, but, there is in place a mechanism to provide for those who have honorably served and retired with healthcare....I don't know what the hub-bub is about. It's a benefit that is earned. I think other 'employers' should do the same thing for their 'legacy' employees when they retire too--but they ( the pvt sector) are actually guaranteed their employer retirement ( military are not esp. if they are compensated for service connected disability--all that retirement is forfeited)..

Hell, I think VJ should be offering a severence package too- the amount of time people devote to it.

Just my 2c

Edited September 17, 2009 by tmma

[_Simpson_ 250]

There are plenty of dangerous jobs, I don't see why this one qualifies for special treatment any more than the folks who risk their lives working for humanitarian relief charities or working on international development projects in the 3rd world.

Is that what Rebecajco does? Are you really trying to make a argument for what she said, it was ridiculous. Servicing in the military is same, come on.

I have no idea what she does - just pointing out that there any many respectable, deserving and dangerous jobs besides the military.

Military service doesn't give anyone the right to delusions of grandeur.

I know plenty of dangerous job that pay then well for what they do with good benefits.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

The claim that the House health care bill as it stood at the time Wilson challenged Obama prevented illegals from participating in the plan is a misunderstanding. It did not. While it contained language saying they were not allowed the benefit, there were no provisions for verification of citizenship or any enforcement provisions outlined. In fact, attempts by Republicans to add such measures had all been blocked by Democrats.

The omission was acknowledged after Wilson's outburst by the ** leadership and the White House. Prior to this correction, not a peep in opposition to any barrier to illegals was heard. After the announcement that enforcement will be added, the whining started, Rep. Guiterrez leading the charge.

This is a game lawmakers play. They add toothless language to bills with no enforcement or funding so they can claim they are doing something that won't actually come to pass. The public is lulled into a false sense of security and they placate their base. Don't be fooled.

[*Robert* 2]

There are plenty of dangerous jobs, I don't see why this one qualifies for special treatment any more than the folks who risk their lives working for humanitarian relief charities or working on international development projects in the 3rd world.

The difference is the military does it in defense of this nation. People working for humanitarian relief charities can walk away anytime they want.

In order to get people to join the military and put their lives in harms way, health care and insurance are used as incentives, along with others.

If people want those types of benefits, then by all means join the military and serve your country instead of looking for handouts.

Is the military the only way a person can serve their country?

I think you're on thin ice with that one.

As to the BS about wanting "handout" BS, I'll leave it thank you very much - its clicheed garbage

No the military is NOT the only way a person can serve, and I certainly did not say that nor imply it, so I'm pretty sure I'm standing on solid ground!

I feel government service should be mandatory, whether it be Peace Corp, Military, FEMA, or what. I think it would do some people some good.

Additionally, I certainly don't belive that "Military service doesn't give anyone the right to delusions of grandeur", because when I served, we weren't treated the way the military is today. We had to deal with signs on Coronado Island, CA saying "Dogs and Sailors stay off the grass"! No delusions on my part!

Yet to this day I continue to work for this country, as I have since I was 17 years old, whether it be active duty military, DoD contractor, or DoD civilian.

Edited September 17, 2009 by *Robert*

[one...two...tree 2,762]

I feel government service should be mandatory, whether it be Peace Corp, Military, FEMA, or what. I think it would do some people some good.

ITA.

[Sofiyya 1,687]

People in the military EARN their benefits with unparalleled sacrifice and loss of rights the rest of us take for granted. Heath care included. That anyone can argue that other work is equivalent is nonsense.

[one...two...tree 2,762]

People in the military EARN their benefits with unparalleled sacrifice and loss of rights the rest of us take for granted. Heath care included.

I agree. So if government can provide them adequate health care, then military veterans should be singing the praises of such entitlements instead of just scorn. If it has no redeemable qualities to it then lets get rid of it.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Sacrifice indeed, but not everyone shares the romanticised, politically correct view of the military.

[Ban Hammer 13,340]

Rebeccajo, Charles is referring to the 20 years he put in with the United States Army, and all the other Veteran's who retired from Active Duty that are entiteled to Tricare.

Exactly, which is why I wonder at his intelligence, now Charles has proved it's not humour

fortunately, roi understood it - probably because he's been there and done that. you, on the other hand, are blathering on about something you know nothing about. thanks for proving who really has intelligence

Read Rebeccajo's comment again. You ###### and moan about your government funded health care and yet you wouldn't trade it for a private option. You are a whiny idiot and insensitive to boot. Proving you are intelligent? That's absolutely impossible, but keep trying.

Wow, talk about a high horse. Charles, you really do take the biscuit way up there.

as you chose to stick your nose into the conversation, it's you this post was aimed at. roi chose to address rebecca with his reply. since you didn't have a clue where the 20 year remark came from, i took the liberty of quoting roi just for you. now sod off.

Oh Charles, how wrong you are, and how stupid you look.

if i'm so wrong.....and so stupid, how is it have health care for life and you don't? so who's the idiot now?

Keep going Charles, this is really working for you, not!

maybe because that frontal lobotomy really worked on you. the scars are hardly visible!

[one...two...tree 2,762]

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