Beating on school bus upsets parents

[Heracles 417]

It shameful to use use poverty as some excuse or "reason to understand" what we see in this vid.

In times past, our Black citizens were a lot poorer and this was nowhere hear as common as it is now.

I have seen this same exact thing several times and I went to a average income school, where most people, black or white were middle class and we had the same sort of things going on with the same "group participation".

I recall three Black students jackin up this Asian kid because he didn't move out of the way fast enough, two of them even pushed him inside of a locker (this was in the locker room) and the third one pissed on him for about ten seconds. Everyone wanted to do something but this group of three could turn into five or six and be on you next.

Other black kids were disgusted by it too but for the same reason they just went the other way.

This was just an average "Township school" in NJ, I can only imagine what a zoo it would be like in a Phili public school.

This automatic assumption that Black= poverty, is stereo typing if anything is.

Unfortunately Black crime rates are as much as 10 times as high as others and explaining this by using the same ole "poverty-card" is not only gettin old...... but does not reflect facts.

Even Blacks in middle class incomes are still, many times their white neighbors in rates of crime.

I guess all of us have answers to help solve or deal with one social problem or another and I am no exception but.... I really have few answers on what can be done to combat this problem in any real way.

If I could wave a magic wand.. I would drastically increase Black fathers in the homes.

I believe this super-rate of single mothers..... raising teen boys, awash in a culture which glorifies violence and anti-social behavior is the biggest factor feeding this fire.

I doubt any group could sustain such high rates of fatherless children and not see similar effects.

Interesting point Danno and also quite true. There was a case a few months back where a young African American kid beat a kid to death who was ridding is bike in broad daylight. Both of the kids were from a middle class family too. Typical story of the grandma is raising the child while the mother is probably whoring around.

So when people bring up the incarceration rate, damn straight we are going to jail them. Some people act as if the police are simply pulling them off the street and throwing them in jail or jailing them because they are stealing a loaf of bread. Back to reality.

Edited September 16, 2009 by Booyah!

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

It shameful to use use poverty as some excuse or "reason to understand" what we see in this vid.

In times past, our Black citizens were a lot poorer and this was nowhere hear as common as it is now.

I have seen this same exact thing several times and I went to a average income school, where most people, black or white were middle class and we had the same sort of things going on with the same "group participation".

I recall three Black students jackin up this Asian kid because he didn't move out of the way fast enough, two of them even pushed him inside of a locker (this was in the locker room) and the third one pissed on him for about ten seconds. Everyone wanted to do something but this group of three could turn into five or six and be on you next.

Other black kids were disgusted by it too but for the same reason they just went the other way.

This was just an average "Township school" in NJ, I can only imagine what a zoo it would be like in a Phili public school.

This automatic assumption that Black= poverty, is stereo typing if anything is.

Unfortunately Black crime rates are as much as 10 times as high as others and explaining this by using the same ole "poverty-card" is not only gettin old...... but does not reflect facts.

Even Blacks in middle class incomes are still, many times their white neighbors in rates of crime.

I guess all of us have answers to help solve or deal with one social problem or another and I am no exception but.... I really have few answers on what can be done to combat this problem in any real way.

If I could wave a magic wand.. I would drastically increase Black fathers in the homes.

I believe this super-rate of single mothers..... raising teen boys, awash in a culture which glorifies violence and anti-social behavior is the biggest factor feeding this fire.

I doubt any group could sustain such high rates of fatherless children and not see similar effects.

What is more shameful is to misinterpret the obvious claims that what you put in bold is already included in that part of the analysis previously stated. Your ability to bait others with misinformed statements has diminished greatly. Its natural I suppose.

Note how we are not in disagreement.

Well... I have to ask myself how many times I can honestly have the same discussion.

If some people want to be bigots and use these forums to air their prejudices, nothing I say is going to make any difference.

[*JG* 2]

Belleville is near where I live...they were on 60 minutes years ago for racial profiling...it is a community that has allot of division and not jsut racial...

Belleville has a lot of problems, that is truth!

[Heracles 417]

Well... I have to ask myself how many times I can honestly have the same discussion.

If some people want to be bigots and use these forums to air their prejudices, nothing I say is going to make any difference.

I'll tell you one thing. I don't give a fly #### what somebody's skin color is, however, you're never going to get me to endorse any culture or attitude the breeds and promotes crude violent behavior.

You can sit here or anywhere really and deny the reality all you like. That does not change the statistics nor reality of the issue.

Edited September 16, 2009 by Booyah!

[almaty 19]

the school suspended not only the puncher but all those who did not assit the youngster getting beat...bus driver termed

[Heracles 417]

the school suspended not only the puncher but all those who did not assit the youngster getting beat...bus driver termed

The two perpetrators should have been expelled and arrested.

[Trumplestiltskin 5,791]

Noone is denying the video, BY - or the reality that these kinds of things happen in schools (and more so in some areas than others).

What I find supremely distasteful BY, is that your conception of "that culture" seems to be based more on MTV rap artists than it is on real life.

You'd be hardpressed to find someone who would honestly deny that there are indeed underprivileged parts of this country where crime, violence and social dysfunction are commonplace.

This is something that people in this country have been trying for decades to address, but the simple fact is there are no easy or quick solutions - so as much as getting out the cane or bussing kids off to jail might seem like a genius to you, the reality is that none of these things will effect the change you want. You can't force people to behave, just as you can't force them out of poverty or dangerous lifestyles. Change has to come from within and without.

[The_Dude 1,142]

the school suspended not only the puncher but all those who did not assit the youngster getting beat...bus driver termed

The two perpetrators should have been expelled and arrested.

I do agree with that, I do completely disagree with your warped analysis of crime rates. The school that I went to, and even taught at for a brief period of time had this as a campus rule. Any action that would have been deemed a crime off campus would be defined as such on campus. For any fight that was deemed more than a scuffle, the police were called.

You said you have FBI statistics to prove your point. Where are they? Please provice the, with a direct link. It's not like you haven't made up statistics that you thought up on your own and pass off as verified, quantifiable data.

[Ban Hammer 13,658]

the school suspended not only the puncher but all those who did not assit the youngster getting beat...bus driver termed

as in fired?

[Heracles 417]

Noone is denying the video, BY - or the reality that these kinds of things happen in schools (and more so in some areas than others).

What I find supremely distasteful BY, is that your conception of "that culture" seems to be based more on MTV rap artists than it is on real life.

You'd be hardpressed to find someone who would honestly deny that there are indeed underprivileged parts of this country where crime, violence and social dysfunction are commonplace.

This is something that people in this country have been trying for decades to address, but the simple fact is there are no easy or quick solutions - so as much as getting out the cane or bussing kids off to jail might seem like a genius to you, the reality is that none of these things will effect the change you want. You can't force people to behave, just as you can't force them out of poverty or dangerous lifestyles. Change has to come from within and without.

You missing the point and in particular Danno's point. You falsely assume that these kids are all from poor inner city ghetto communities. However, even in middle class neighborhoods, African American kids disproportionally represent a much higher portion of crimes. As such, this rules out the 'they're just underprivileged' excuse. I also pointed out myself, why is it that other ethnicities that are poor that come to America do not act in this manner either. This is not a blame game. This is about identifying issues in a community and addressing them. Same way if someone is going to study kids shooting up schools, their not going to waste their time studying African American kids because they don't lose their mind like Caucasian kids do.

The reason this issue is not addressed is because someone must walk on eggshells when discussing it. Rather than an extensive analysis to determine the problem, even suggesting such a study will almost definitely result in racism allegations. As such, the only thing we have left to do is simply jail people, once they commit a crime. Personally, I'd rather find the root of the problem and address it but that's just me.

Edited September 16, 2009 by Booyah!

[Heracles 417]

the school suspended not only the puncher but all those who did not assit the youngster getting beat...bus driver termed

The two perpetrators should have been expelled and arrested.

I do agree with that, I do completely disagree with your warped analysis of crime rates. The school that I went to, and even taught at for a brief period of time had this as a campus rule. Any action that would have been deemed a crime off campus would be defined as such on campus. For any fight that was deemed more than a scuffle, the police were called.

You said you have FBI statistics to prove your point. Where are they? Please provice the, with a direct link. It's not like you haven't made up statistics that you thought up on your own and pass off as verified, quantifiable data.

Which statistics did I make up? I have never pulled statistics out of my azz.

Here are some previous stats I dug up.. One's I made up that is

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Rape/Sexual assault

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White Victims: 194,270

Race of offender

White:50.6%

Black: 16.7%

Other: 15.5%

Not known: 17.2%

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Black Victims: 17,920

Race of offender

White: 0.00%

Black: 43.0%

Other: 32.3%

Not known: 24.7%

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/cvus0602.pdf

Edited September 16, 2009 by Booyah!

[spookyturtle 9,466]

Interesting point Danno and also quite true. There was a case a few months back where a young African American kid beat a kid to death who was ridding is bike in broad daylight. Both of the kids were from a middle class family too. Typical story of the grandma is raising the child while the mother is probably whoring around.

Typical BY judgemental response.

[Heracles 417]

the school suspended not only the puncher but all those who did not assit the youngster getting beat...bus driver termed

as in fired?

Why should they be? The bus driver was driving the bus. They're not there to monitor mentally challenged 16 year old. Furthermore, in today's America they wouldn't even be able to touch the kids without the possibility of being sued.

Edited September 16, 2009 by Booyah!

[Heracles 417]

Interesting point Danno and also quite true. There was a case a few months back where a young African American kid beat a kid to death who was ridding is bike in broad daylight. Both of the kids were from a middle class family too. Typical story of the grandma is raising the child while the mother is probably whoring around.

Typical BY judgemental response.

Which part? The part of Danno's response or the news story I quoted.

[The_Dude 1,142]

the school suspended not only the puncher but all those who did not assit the youngster getting beat...bus driver termed

as in fired?

Why should they be? The bus driver was driving the bus. They're not there to monitor mentally challenged 16 year old. Furthermore, in today's America they wouldn't even be able to touch the kids without the possibility of being sued.

Part of the bus driver's job is to maintain the well being of the children on there. Is it fair? Not really, but I think it would have been quite aparent what was going on and the bus driver should have pulled the bus over to at least find out what was going on. Termination is a harsh punishment, but I imagine the kid that got beaten's parents are threatening a massive lawsuit. You mention the words "civil rights" and "lawsuit" in the same sentence, and heads roll at a school district.

Come on BY, you know you've made up bull$hit statistics in the past and tried to pass them off as legitimate, only to later say that they were what you felt were proper representations of what is going on in this country. You did however cite your references and I shall take a look.